Official Immanuel Quickley Thread

[Tom_Foolery]

Last few games I've been disappointed. Now that Poeltl is back, he is getting space to shoot but is so hesitant.

The team has been super hesitant to shoot lately.

[Drakeem]

He's been disappointing, but watching a few games a lot of it seems to be purely up to comfort level.

We've scrambled up the teams and told these guys to figure it out as they go. One of the reason why teams like Denver are so scary is because you combine the passing and the BB IQ of someone like Jokic with a team that has played together so much and come together so well that they don't miss a beat. Every single person knows their role, knows each others spots, and knows where and when they can get their shots.

Quickley is a combo guard, more of a 2 guard by play if we're being honest. He's glaringly trying to work on polishing his PG skills, which I'm honestly pretty happy with. Take this year to develop whatever you need to make sure you're a better player when we're actually ready to make some sort of push. Thing is, because of that, being thrusted onto a new team with all brand new players and a first year head coach, the decision making that a PG needs to have is going to be hampered with the sheer lack of knowledge and comfort, especially for a PG that isn't a natural PG.

I think the comparisons to Quickley and some of the hype based on his play without Brunson put people in a position where they thought he was going to show flashes of being the next break out bench player turned star. I still think there is loads of potential to be found with him, and I do see a fringe all-star ceiling for him where he could get to the level of a Jrue/Conley (not by play but by talent in comparison to the Currys/Lillards/Brunsons) and be an incredibly impactful player. We just have to be patient, grind it out this year, and wait until we can get a full training camp and stability in.

[mdenny]

This guy has an efficient floater?.. well thus far it is MIA.

The floater is a bad shot.

Even those who shoot it efficiently relatively speaking (ie as compared to other floater shooters)...they don't shoot it for good percentages.

Maybe it's because the raptors have never really had a good floater shooter so it's a grass is greener thing. I don't know.....but it seems like a common fixation on this board. I believe IQ was top 3 in the league last year? I suspect even if he returns to that %....people will still hate it once they see how it plays out regularly.

One of the ways Young is so effective at using it is that he creates offensive rebounds with it. Since it's never a high percentage shot....it's a good one to take if you recognize inside rebounding position has been established. So it's almost half shot attempt/half assist attempt in intent.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Think it's pretty obvious that Darko is trying to make IQ a lead guard. This has taken away IT'S chucking which is actually his best attribute. He's been benched anytime he's gotten shot happy.

Personally, I think the right approach is letting IQ do what he does best BUT also try to add to his game. Limiting his shots for a team that desperately needs his offense isn't smart.

We're not trying to win this year. You want another FVV? What Darko is doing is fine, get IQ to that next level.

"If you want to lose brain cells go read Realgm" - Pensare Basketball

If you mean team first lead guard on a winning team who far exceeds his potential being a slowish 5 foot 11 guard, than yeah, I'm thinking I want some more FVVs on this team.

[Thaddy]

The floater isn't a very efficient shot in basketball. I'm not sure why we're specifically looking for that in a PG. Fred has one of the worst in the league and he is solid.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

This guy has an efficient floater?.. well thus far it is MIA.

The floater is a bad shot.

Even those who shoot it efficiently relatively speaking (ie as compared to other floater shooters)...they don't shoot it for good percentages.

Maybe it's because the raptors have never really had a good floater shooter so it's a grass is greener thing. I don't know.....but it seems like a common fixation on this board. I believe IQ was top 3 in the league last year? I suspect even if he returns to that %....people will still hate it once they see how it plays out regularly.

One of the ways Young is so effective at using it is that he creates offensive rebounds with it. Since it's never a high percentage shot....it's a good one to take if you recognize inside rebounding position has been established. So it's almost half shot attempt/half assist attempt in intent.

The floater is a bad shot regarded as a bad shot, analyticly a bad shot, ok...so how is a guy like quickley scoring 15 ppg off the bench, obviously hitting some threes, but giving you 50% shooting on 2pt shots (the last 2 seasons a bit of rounding up) and getting to the line reasonably well, too. And he relies on a floater, a bad shot, allegedly. It's dumb to hate on that kind of production from an undersized guy IMHO. He's no FVV as an inside scorer. And its a game largely built around the floater. I guess he's not that undersized he kinda seems a bit small or frail to me IDKlol, dont @ me.

[OakleyDokely]

[LoveMyRaps]

All the haters are real quiet tonight.

14/7/6 and a team high +3

Loved his game tonight.

He's 2 of his last 14 from deep, but his 3pt shooting is the least of my concerns.

[HiJiNX]

All the haters are real quiet tonight.

14/7/6 and a team high +3

Loved his game tonight.

He's 2 of his last 14 from deep, but his 3pt shooting is the least of my concerns.

Played heady and in control. Didn’t make a lot of mistakes. Needed to put his imprint on the game a bit more imo, but he’s still figuring it out.

[Duffman100]

All the haters are real quiet tonight.

14/7/6 and a team high +3

Loved his game tonight.

He's 2 of his last 14 from deep, but his 3pt shooting is the least of my concerns.

His shot will come back.

Defense is my concern. He's been pretty damn bad since coming, hopefully he can lock it up more.

[PushDaRock]

It's been odd to see his on/off per 100 metrics fall off a cliff since coming here. He's coming off years where he was +6.6, +13.8, +8.6 and this season +5.1 with the Knicks. His team always being significantly better with him on the floor was one of the main reasons to be so optimistic about the trade. On the Raptors, his on/off is -6.0. We are looking at a 20 game sample size which isn't a ton but not that insignificant either. I get that it's bench minutes vs starter minutes so some drop off makes sense but I would still expect the numbers to eventually normalize a bit as it just doesn't make sense how this team would be that much worse with him on the floor than without.

[Ackshun]

It's been odd to see his on/off per 100 metrics fall off a cliff since coming here. He's coming off years where he was +6.6, +13.8, +8.6 and this season +5.1 with the Knicks. His team always being significantly better with him on the floor was one of the main reasons to be so optimistic about the trade. On the Raptors, his on/off is -6.0. We are looking at a 20 game sample size which isn't a ton but not that insignificant either. I get that it's bench minutes vs starter minutes so some drop off makes sense but I would still expect the numbers to eventually normalize a bit as it just doesn't make sense how this team would be that much worse with him on the floor than without.

I know it’s corny but we all know….

[johanliebert]

It's been odd to see his on/off per 100 metrics fall off a cliff since coming here. He's coming off years where he was +6.6, +13.8, +8.6 and this season +5.1 with the Knicks. His team always being significantly better with him on the floor was one of the main reasons to be so optimistic about the trade. On the Raptors, his on/off is -6.0. We are looking at a 20 game sample size which isn't a ton but not that insignificant either. I get that it's bench minutes vs starter minutes so some drop off makes sense but I would still expect the numbers to eventually normalize a bit as it just doesn't make sense how this team would be that much worse with him on the floor than without.

He was coming off the bench torching 2nd units. He's facing the best coverage now things aren't the same.

[ArthurVandelay]

It's been odd to see his on/off per 100 metrics fall off a cliff since coming here. He's coming off years where he was +6.6, +13.8, +8.6 and this season +5.1 with the Knicks. His team always being significantly better with him on the floor was one of the main reasons to be so optimistic about the trade. On the Raptors, his on/off is -6.0. We are looking at a 20 game sample size which isn't a ton but not that insignificant either. I get that it's bench minutes vs starter minutes so some drop off makes sense but I would still expect the numbers to eventually normalize a bit as it just doesn't make sense how this team would be that much worse with him on the floor than without.

He was coming off the bench torching 2nd units. He's facing the best coverage now things aren't the same.

He actually played better as a starter for the knicks

[ItsDanger]

His floater % might be correlated to the C he's paired with.

[PushDaRock]

It's been odd to see his on/off per 100 metrics fall off a cliff since coming here. He's coming off years where he was +6.6, +13.8, +8.6 and this season +5.1 with the Knicks. His team always being significantly better with him on the floor was one of the main reasons to be so optimistic about the trade. On the Raptors, his on/off is -6.0. We are looking at a 20 game sample size which isn't a ton but not that insignificant either. I get that it's bench minutes vs starter minutes so some drop off makes sense but I would still expect the numbers to eventually normalize a bit as it just doesn't make sense how this team would be that much worse with him on the floor than without.

He was coming off the bench torching 2nd units. He's facing the best coverage now things aren't the same.

I already mentioned the expected drop off from bench vs starter minutes, but we are talking about a net difference of over 14.0 versus his career norm in on/off per 100 which is beyond drastic if we expect it to continue. He also performed extremely well last year as a starter which was another reason for optimism in a bigger role.

[johanliebert]

It's been odd to see his on/off per 100 metrics fall off a cliff since coming here. He's coming off years where he was +6.6, +13.8, +8.6 and this season +5.1 with the Knicks. His team always being significantly better with him on the floor was one of the main reasons to be so optimistic about the trade. On the Raptors, his on/off is -6.0. We are looking at a 20 game sample size which isn't a ton but not that insignificant either. I get that it's bench minutes vs starter minutes so some drop off makes sense but I would still expect the numbers to eventually normalize a bit as it just doesn't make sense how this team would be that much worse with him on the floor than without.

He was coming off the bench torching 2nd units. He's facing the best coverage now things aren't the same.

I already mentioned the expected drop off from bench vs starter minutes, but we are talking about a net difference of over 14.0 versus his career norm in on/off per 100 which is beyond drastic if we expect it to continue. He also performed extremely well last year as a starter which was another reason for optimism in a bigger role.

Who did he typically play with when he entered games?

[ForeverTFC]

I really think we are using IQ incorrectly.

Per 100 possessions, Scottie, IQ, and Barrett have 20.6 FGA each. Compare this to how the Nuggets play: per 100 possessions, Murray with 26, Jokic with 24 and MPJ with 19 FGA.

IQ needs to shoot more. He should have the highest FGA on this team, followed by Scottie. Darko has him emulating too much of a traditional PG role. The whole sell and why people were excited was because IQ would be able to play the scoring guard role while Scottie takes on more of a distribution role. We saw a bit of that last night when Darko had Scottie, Gradey and IQ out there, with Scottie handling a lot more and IQ running around more, he just wasn't hitting shots but we still won the minutes.

[Rodrickle]

I really think we are using IQ incorrectly.

Per 100 possession, Scottie, IQ, and Barret have 20.6 FGA each. Compare this to how the Nuggets play: per 100 possessions, Murray with 26, Jokic with 24 and MPJ with 19 FGA.

IQ needs to shoot more. He should have the highest FGA on this team, followed by Scottie. Darko has him emulating too much of a traditional PG role. The whole sell and why people were excited was because IQ would be able to play the scoring guard role while Scottie takes on more of a distribution role. We saw a bit of that last night when Darko had Scottie, Gradey and IQ out there, with Scottie handling a lot more and IQ running around more, he just wasn't hitting shots but we still won the minutes.

I dont think he has enough in his bag like JM to lead the team in FGA. He has a floater and he can shoot. Decent mid range but his finishing off the backboard needs work and he's not the best inviting contact at the rim. Not sure of there's a strength or toughness issue there.

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[Vorticity]

All the haters are real quiet tonight.

14/7/6 and a team high +3

Loved his game tonight.

He's 2 of his last 14 from deep, but his 3pt shooting is the least of my concerns.

His shot will come back.

Defense is my concern. He's been pretty damn bad since coming, hopefully he can lock it up more.

is he still injured or fully recovered?