Tank World Order (The Remix Vol. IV)

[Scase]

This team is deep now. Believe in your city. The East is so bad, a play-in spot is still possible somehow.

I cant wait to make the play in, get slaughtered, and do it all over again next year, definitely building a contender with 12-15th picks.

Yep. Team really needs another high lottery type talent. But the path chosen here has made that possibility very difficult.

The worse part is that the Hawks are in a similar position as us, and they are shutting Trae down for surgery, meanwhile we push for the play in. I get that the draft isn't great, but man, unless we find a way to give up this years pick, and tank hard for a top 5 pick in a better draft, this core ain't it.

We need top end talent, and currently all we have is Scottie.

[beanbag]

I cant wait to make the play in, get slaughtered, and do it all over again next year, definitely building a contender with 12-15th picks.

Yep. Team really needs another high lottery type talent. But the path chosen here has made that possibility very difficult.

The worse part is that the Hawks are in a similar position as us, and they are shutting Trae down for surgery, meanwhile we push for the play in. I get that the draft isn't great, but man, unless we find a way to give up this years pick, and tank hard for a top 5 pick in a better draft, this core ain't it.

We need top end talent, and currently all we have is Scottie.

What do you mean "pushing for the play in" lol. The team, as constructed is going to play to win. You're not aware that this is what professional athletes do???

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Yep. Team really needs another high lottery type talent. But the path chosen here has made that possibility very difficult.

The worse part is that the Hawks are in a similar position as us, and they are shutting Trae down for surgery, meanwhile we push for the play in. I get that the draft isn't great, but man, unless we find a way to give up this years pick, and tank hard for a top 5 pick in a better draft, this core ain't it.

We need top end talent, and currently all we have is Scottie.

What do you mean "pushing for the play in" lol. The team, as constructed is going to play to win. You're not aware that this is what professional athletes do???

I mean the team has been rebuilt in the middle of the season and traded a star player for nothing of current value, usually such teams are rebuilding and not "competing". I think this team is mroe of a we'll see where it goes from here. The players and coach want to win, I think the GM probably wants to win too. The flattened lottery odds are a thing, and getting the 6th slot in the draft by no means guarantees a top 6 pick, as you're very likely to lose spot(s) after the draft lottery if you don't move up.

It's a solid piece of evidence that Silver knew what he was doing with the playin tournament as it gives our team a reason to COMPETE, when otherwise they'd just be playing out the string into the off season.

Ben Rogers talks about team compete vs team tank a bit in his most recent youtube video:

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He mentions how certain online posters talk about Masai Ujiri's: "play in for what". Ya'll know who you are.

[720]

I cant wait to make the play in, get slaughtered, and do it all over again next year, definitely building a contender with 12-15th picks.

Yep. Team really needs another high lottery type talent. But the path chosen here has made that possibility very difficult.

The worse part is that the Hawks are in a similar position as us, and they are shutting Trae down for surgery, meanwhile we push for the play in. I get that the draft isn't great, but man, unless we find a way to give up this years pick, and tank hard for a top 5 pick in a better draft, this core ain't it.

We need top end talent, and currently all we have is Scottie.

The casuals have talked themselves into RJ being a future star to pair alongside Scottie.

[OakleyDokely]

I think the Raps will be careful with their players and they will sit or rest guys with any type of injury, like they've done with RJ.

I don't see them shutting down Barnes because that's probably not a great move for his development, unless he comes down with some nagging injury. You want to him to play as much as possible as a 22 year old.

This team will still lose a lot of games, even with everyone playing. It's a young team without much experience playing together, which is usually a losing combo.

[alpngso]

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[OakleyDokely]

surprised DET/WAS don't have more future picks.

Nets look like there in a good position but they're really not. They don't control their own pick until 2028 as they owe 1sts and swaps to HOU. They have a bunch of PHX picks though.

[WuTang_CMB]

Raps at best 30-31 wins
this will all come down to the lottery and we likely lose it

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Yep. Team really needs another high lottery type talent. But the path chosen here has made that possibility very difficult.

The worse part is that the Hawks are in a similar position as us, and they are shutting Trae down for surgery, meanwhile we push for the play in. I get that the draft isn't great, but man, unless we find a way to give up this years pick, and tank hard for a top 5 pick in a better draft, this core ain't it.

We need top end talent, and currently all we have is Scottie.

What do you mean "pushing for the play in" lol. The team, as constructed is going to play to win. You're not aware that this is what professional athletes do???

Yes, that's the point, the team as constructed. Keeping Brown, Jak, Boucher. Makes no sense if you want to rebuild. The rebuilding/tanking teams all have players who want to win, but the FO has them setup to not do that very well.

Giving players like GTJ more minutes than Gradey and Ochai is focusing on winning over development. Last 5 games (since Ochai joined) GTJ is averaging 28mpg, Gradey 20mpg, and Ochai 14mpg. Ochai is averaging less here than he did in Utah.

This is not what a rebuilding team does, this is what a "desperately push for the play in" team does.

[DreamTeam09]

The worse part is that the Hawks are in a similar position as us, and they are shutting Trae down for surgery, meanwhile we push for the play in. I get that the draft isn't great, but man, unless we find a way to give up this years pick, and tank hard for a top 5 pick in a better draft, this core ain't it.

We need top end talent, and currently all we have is Scottie.

What do you mean "pushing for the play in" lol. The team, as constructed is going to play to win. You're not aware that this is what professional athletes do???

Yes, that's the point, the team as constructed. Keeping Brown, Jak, Boucher. Makes no sense if you want to rebuild. The rebuilding/tanking teams all have players who want to win, but the FO has them setup to not do that very well.

Giving players like GTJ more minutes than Gradey and Ochai is focusing on winning over development. Last 5 games (since Ochai joined) GTJ is averaging 28mpg, Gradey 20mpg, and Ochai 14mpg. Ochai is averaging less here than he did in Utah.

This is not what a rebuilding team does, this is what a "desperately push for the play in" team does.

Why is it that whatever you see is obviously what is occurring as if it's factual? You give no leeway for being wrong or not accurate

-Boucher doesn't even play first & foremost
-They tried to trade brown, trading brown for the sake of trading as if he's impacting winning is just as bad as your "not tanking notion"
-Trading Jak now also makes little sense without finding his replacement. If you're interested in developing Scottie into a star, having viable functioning centres is definitely something you're gonna need.

You guys just think tanking comes in one shape n form & has to look the same across the board... No way y'all can seriously say we are gunning for a playoff spot because Trae young got injured & we didn't sell every single piece of asset at the TDL. Jaks probably here for the foreseeable future

[YogurtProducer]

What do you mean "pushing for the play in" lol. The team, as constructed is going to play to win. You're not aware that this is what professional athletes do???

Yes, that's the point, the team as constructed. Keeping Brown, Jak, Boucher. Makes no sense if you want to rebuild. The rebuilding/tanking teams all have players who want to win, but the FO has them setup to not do that very well.

Giving players like GTJ more minutes than Gradey and Ochai is focusing on winning over development. Last 5 games (since Ochai joined) GTJ is averaging 28mpg, Gradey 20mpg, and Ochai 14mpg. Ochai is averaging less here than he did in Utah.

This is not what a rebuilding team does, this is what a "desperately push for the play in" team does.

Why is it that whatever you see is obviously what is occurring as if it's factual? You give no leeway for being wrong or not accurate

-Boucher doesn't even play first & foremost
-They tried to trade brown, trading brown for the sake of trading as if he's impacting winning is just as bad as your "not tanking notion"
-Trading Jak now also makes little sense without finding his replacement. If you're interested in developing Scottie into a star, having viable functioning centres is definitely something you're gonna need.

You guys just think tanking comes in one shape n form & has to look the same across the board... No way y'all can seriously say we are gunning for a playoff spot because Trae young got injured & we didn't sell every single piece of asset at the TDL. Jaks probably here for the foreseeable future

Not to mention he acts like GTJ is 35 years old instead of 25.

GTJ is 14 months older than Agbaji. But hey - we should sit GTJ and play Agbaji and then maybe one day he might be as good as Gary!

[ArthurVandelay]

The worse part is that the Hawks are in a similar position as us, and they are shutting Trae down for surgery, meanwhile we push for the play in. I get that the draft isn't great, but man, unless we find a way to give up this years pick, and tank hard for a top 5 pick in a better draft, this core ain't it.

We need top end talent, and currently all we have is Scottie.

What do you mean "pushing for the play in" lol. The team, as constructed is going to play to win. You're not aware that this is what professional athletes do???

Yes, that's the point, the team as constructed. Keeping Brown, Jak, Boucher. Makes no sense if you want to rebuild. The rebuilding/tanking teams all have players who want to win, but the FO has them setup to not do that very well.

Giving players like GTJ more minutes than Gradey and Ochai is focusing on winning over development. Last 5 games (since Ochai joined) GTJ is averaging 28mpg, Gradey 20mpg, and Ochai 14mpg. Ochai is averaging less here than he did in Utah.

This is not what a rebuilding team does, this is what a "desperately push for the play in" team does.

To be fair, playing GTJr is no guarantee they are trying to win lol

[Scase]

What do you mean "pushing for the play in" lol. The team, as constructed is going to play to win. You're not aware that this is what professional athletes do???

Yes, that's the point, the team as constructed. Keeping Brown, Jak, Boucher. Makes no sense if you want to rebuild. The rebuilding/tanking teams all have players who want to win, but the FO has them setup to not do that very well.

Giving players like GTJ more minutes than Gradey and Ochai is focusing on winning over development. Last 5 games (since Ochai joined) GTJ is averaging 28mpg, Gradey 20mpg, and Ochai 14mpg. Ochai is averaging less here than he did in Utah.

This is not what a rebuilding team does, this is what a "desperately push for the play in" team does.

Why is it that whatever you see is obviously what is occurring as if it's factual? You give no leeway for being wrong or not accurate

-Boucher doesn't even play first & foremost
-They tried to trade brown, trading brown for the sake of trading as if he's impacting winning is just as bad as your "not tanking notion"
-Trading Jak now also makes little sense without finding his replacement. If you're interested in developing Scottie into a star, having viable functioning centres is definitely something you're gonna need.

You guys just think tanking comes in one shape n form & has to look the same across the board... No way y'all can seriously say we are gunning for a playoff spot because Trae young got injured & we didn't sell every single piece of asset at the TDL. Jaks probably here for the foreseeable future

Boucher not playing and sitting on the bench is a waste of an asset, but sure we can call that one a wash. Brown "they tried trading him"? Yeah, same way they "tried" trading FVV, Brown isn't fetching a first and/or a prospect. Jak, you don't need a 27 year old C, we need players to grow with him.

Trade Jak, team gets worse, we likely keep the pick, draft a centre. Or you know, just play the other veteran center that we have.

[DreamTeam09]

Yes, that's the point, the team as constructed. Keeping Brown, Jak, Boucher. Makes no sense if you want to rebuild. The rebuilding/tanking teams all have players who want to win, but the FO has them setup to not do that very well.

Giving players like GTJ more minutes than Gradey and Ochai is focusing on winning over development. Last 5 games (since Ochai joined) GTJ is averaging 28mpg, Gradey 20mpg, and Ochai 14mpg. Ochai is averaging less here than he did in Utah.

This is not what a rebuilding team does, this is what a "desperately push for the play in" team does.

Why is it that whatever you see is obviously what is occurring as if it's factual? You give no leeway for being wrong or not accurate

-Boucher doesn't even play first & foremost
-They tried to trade brown, trading brown for the sake of trading as if he's impacting winning is just as bad as your "not tanking notion"
-Trading Jak now also makes little sense without finding his replacement. If you're interested in developing Scottie into a star, having viable functioning centres is definitely something you're gonna need.

You guys just think tanking comes in one shape n form & has to look the same across the board... No way y'all can seriously say we are gunning for a playoff spot because Trae young got injured & we didn't sell every single piece of asset at the TDL. Jaks probably here for the foreseeable future

Boucher not playing and sitting on the bench is a waste of an asset, but sure we can call that one a wash. Brown "they tried trading him"? Yeah, same way they "tried" trading FVV, Brown isn't fetching a first and/or a prospect. Jak, you don't need a 27 year old C, we need players to grow with him.

Trade Jak, team gets worse, we likely keep the pick, draft a centre. Or you know, just play the other veteran center that we have.

If Boucher was an asset he wouldn't be here, he's here cuz he's clearly not an asset and has 1 more yr on his deal
They did try to trade FVV, they didn't wanna take back Luke Kennard or Grayson Allen, similarly they didn't wanna take back whatever was offered for Brown, both instances make perfect sense. Maybe more avenues open up in the summer time when draft compensation isn't tied up and money gets freed up by more teams...
"You don't need a 27yr old C" well I totally disagree with that, you need a competent C on both sides of the ball for team building purposes. Will Jak be here on the final iteration of this team, maybe, maybe not, but getting rid of him now also serves little purpose.
Even in your tanking rethoric, it doesn't matter what your team does, it's about the teams around you. In your scenario, we could've shipped Jak for pennies on the dollar and likely not move in the standings regardless

[WuTang_CMB]

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[720]

Tank is probably dead. Trae out, Nets fire coach and quickly plummeting. Hopefully whoever we draft with the Pacers pick is a solid one. If we only didn’t do that STUPID Poeltl trade we probably would be looking at adding two solid 1st round prospects to add to the core (or as trade assets). Oh well.

[DelAbbot]

[PhilBlackson]

Boyz N The Hood told me the trades made no difference, we’ll keep our pick and that “you don’t know basketball” if you think differently. Interesting lol

[ItsDanger]

Best hope is to land a high upside guy in '25 draft at this point. Looks deep enough that a pick in 11-15 range could still do it.

[Psubs]

If Boucher was an asset he wouldn't be here, he's here cuz he's clearly not an asset and has 1 more yr on his deal
They did try to trade FVV, they didn't wanna take back Luke Kennard or Grayson Allen, similarly they didn't wanna take back whatever was offered for Brown, both instances make perfect sense. Maybe more avenues open up in the summer time when draft compensation isn't tied up and money gets freed up by more teams...
"You don't need a 27yr old C" well I totally disagree with that, you need a competent C on both sides of the ball for team building purposes. Will Jak be here on the final iteration of this team, maybe, maybe not, but getting rid of him now also serves little purpose.
Even in your tanking rethoric, it doesn't matter what your team does, it's about the teams around you. In your scenario, we could've shipped Jak for pennies on the dollar and likely not move in the standings regardless

Can you imagine if Poeltl gets traded again in another Kawhi type trade and the Raptors win their 2nd Championship?!?!?!?

If it's a mid-season trade, Jakob could get a ring!