Around the NBA - Continued… again

[Fat Kat]

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[Appleshampoo]

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Sign him. Sims is not good enough.

[nykballa2k4]

I am pretty impressed by IQ since the break. His drives are not great but no question he's pretty deadly from 3 and will remain so. His passing is good, no turnovers, getting better at playmaking, using his dribble less (or maybe that's just me). Not sure I can really judge IQ's defense but if the numbers are good, that's what matters. I don't know that he's an All-Star mentality or athlete kind of player, or what he'll do in the clutch clutch, but if he keeps this up through the end of the season - and no reason to think he won't - he'll maybe be getting close to Max territory which will be interesting.

RJ looks real solid. HIs footwork is good. His jumper is not there fully but he's hard to guard inside and has gotten good both about finishing off a pass and being determined to draw contact. Defense is not great but not bad. A bit above average maybe, in stretches.

Both guys have been solid, but i think IQ is looking at about 30M assuming cap spikes. Perhaps if the new hard-cap is really what we all think it is, perhaps he gets around 27

[K_ick_God]

Well RJ was 4-6 from 3 last night. Hard to know what his 3 ball will look like in a couple years. But he is pretty dang good at drawing fouls, which should give him space.

[K_ick_God]

Sign Morris and release Burks.

[KnicksGadfly]

It's not an aberration but I don't think that impact is fungible to most teams to the same extent he was valuable to the Warriors. I suppose that applies to fit with any player anywhere but it's glaring to me with Green. He was a perfect fit to Curry/Klay and their style of play.

I was listening to the Lowe post the other day and Zach mentioned how Tim Connelly built a great team to take on the nuggets. Since Connelly came from Denver, he knew that he’d have to compete with Jokic for years to come. That reminded me of someone saying the downfall of the Thunder was them building a team to compete with the Kobe, Pau, and Bynum lakers and ended up with the wrong type of team to take on golden state. Which really shows the genius of Kerr and Bob Myers. They really understood how the nba was changing and how they had the players to make it happen.

I’m not sure if another coach would use Draymond the same way Kerr has. Dray doesn’t exact look like the guys that Phil had in the pinch post in the triangle. Or any of the primary playmakers on dantoni’s suns or pops spurs. Or even a guy that could play center. Outside of Ben Wallace, I don’t think there’s a ton centers under 6’10”

Takes a lot of guts to take the ball out of your budding superstars hands and place it in the hands of a 4, that had just been promoted into the starting line up. Sometimes things line up perfectly and you get to dominate the next 6/7 years of the nba.

Agreed except for this. I think the "take the ball out of your superstar's hands" was primarily (at least initially) forced by opposing defenses.

I think Kerr would've let Curry run the offense if he didn't get doubled and trapped. He was after all the most dominant scorer in the league at the time (94th percentile in isolation scoring, 98th percentile as the PNR ball-handler, 43.8 from 3P pull-ups over 6.3 attempts in 2015-16).

So I think it was born and applied primarily out of necessity. But Draymond playmaking skills for a 4 were incredible and his basketball intelligence was off the charts.

Kerr has made a number of coaching mistakes over the years but he's a coaching genius and some of the plays that they ran to minimize Draymond's weaknesses and maximize his strengths were pretty incredible.

Curry had to sacrifice too. There’s a lot of humility in what he did, in terms of giving up that ball and being willing to be a decoy. It’s basically why he’s one of the few point guards to have led a championship team.

[dakomish23]

That was insane

Props to Spida and the Cavs for pulling that one out.

Hate to say this but I can't think why Mitchell would leave that team for the Knicks this summer

Because of this

Watch on YouTube

Vs where he grew up

But they also have the White Knight so

https://youtu.be/

Watch on YouTube

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[Wildcat]

Feels like that's too easy to say... "winners make it work." Why didn't it work in Cleveland? Or Utah? Is Mitchell even a winner now...what does that even mean?

All of the things we'd ask him to do now is stuff that he should be doing in Cleveland and Utah. That's how I judge whether or not he would work here at SG. PG, maybe another matter, but that position is filled on the Knicks by a better player.

It really isn't, though. Who else did Donovan play with in Utah that was a ball dominant guard? Conley? Ingles? Not even close to the Cleveland situation. C'mon, now. At a certain point, the Utah situation had more to do with a change in direction then it did with Donovan himself. And if memory serves me right, he and Conley played well off each other because Conley was operating as the PG.

This has more to do with Brunson then it does with Donovan. Brunson is a former champion, a winner. That pedigree means something and I have zero doubt in my mind he'd sacrifice individual allocates for a team W and a ring. And while I like Garland, he's Tennessee's Mr. Basketball x3. I don't see that same fire that JB has. Make his bag, move on. Garland and JB's mentality -- to me -- seems worlds apart. What sets Donovan apart from Garland is that same fire I see in JB. Donovan wants to win. That's damn near obvious when you see him carry teams that frankly don't look like they belong.

So I have no doubts Donovan and JB can work.

[Wildcat]

Ask and then wait for an answer, don‘t assume.

You think Julius‘ injury had nothing to do with being tired and overplayed constantly? Notecwhen it happened - end of game.
OG was just just acquired, so no complaint.
Mitch was overused in general, even w his injury history playing those minutes? And knowing we had IHart to help w minutes?
And IHart is not used to starter minutes and being overplayed? Seems splitting their minutes and not running each into the ground would be better.
Brunson being run into the ground when Deuce could easily do 5 more minutes to help out?
RJ having knee problems at 23?
Derek Rose?
Thibs history.

We all see it and half the board complains.

I was not happy with getting Burks and even Bogs. Can‘t see either being more than situational come playoffs.
Would rather have Grimes be situational w his defense.
We‘ll see come playoffs.

We have a GREAT team though. I just hope Thibs doesn‘t continue to run them into the ground.

Yes, I do think Randle's injury had nothing to do with being tired. Are we really looking 35.4 MPG and saying to ourselves, "He's being overplayed?" That's garage. And the funny thing about that is his minutes were actually down since the OG trade. That lead was down to 6 around the 10 minutes mark. He got injured when they were up 17 a bit before the 4+ minute mark. How often have we seen in the league where being up 17 points means nothing? 3 back to back 3's and we're all screaming to get Randle back in. If that was a clean foul and Randle hits his FT's, I have no doubt in my mind the benches would have been cleared out by the 3 minute mark. Randle's injury is just flat out bad luck.

Same with Robinson. You can't tell me 29 MPG is considered overplaying. More bad luck. Sharing minutes with I-Hart is damn near moot as much as we want it. No team will ever have players do an even split on those minutes, especially 2 big men like Robinson and I-Hart. I-Hart injury is perhaps the only thing we can look at Thibs on, but then again, he's your starting C playing starter minutes of 30 MPG. I can't imagine he's so poorly conditioned that the extra 10 MPG was going to break him. The frontline got screwed. It's how the NBA goes, man.

How many times have we seen Deuce in come to give JB a breather and the other team goes on a quick run? Often. I like Deuce, but he's not a PG. That's the short and skinny of it. Bro, RJ is playing more minutes with the Raptors then he did with the Knicks. Again, 30 MPG is a lot from your starter? This is insane talk. In fact he logged his 1st 40 played minutes this season a couple of weeks ago. Go ask Rose if he blames Thibs for his ACL injury for Game 1 of the 1st Round on a non-contact drive to the basket? How's Jimmy doing? And KAT, and Conley? Noah and Gibson?

What people by large seem to not understand is that the modern NBA team do not even have on court practices the way they use to and most of the time it's film studies and other things that typically dwarf on court activities (shoot arounds do not count as practice). Until everyone's healthy, this team's starters are going to play heavier minutes. That's the reality of the situation.

[8516knicks]

Question for the old guards - who was/is better Seth Curry or dad Del Curry? And could we sign Steph Curry's son (if he has one) to an 18 year contract now and avoid the draft legally???

[Montmorencie]

Every time I watch Miami they injure a play from my teams.. Julius, Robinson and now Jamal Murray. What a leprous team

[NoDopeOnSundays]

3 year window to win a title, the reign of Victor is coming.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Well RJ was 4-6 from 3 last night. Hard to know what his 3 ball will look like in a couple years. But he is pretty dang good at drawing fouls, which should give him space.

He's in a system where the ball actually moves and swings around with cuts, it's not just iso and 1 pass and shoot. The Raptors are 4th in the league in passes per game since they traded for him, contrary to the belief here he's unselfish when he's in a system where the ball swings.

Our coach sucks at offense, hence Bogdanovic falling off a cliff here.

[Reign23]

Well RJ was 4-6 from 3 last night. Hard to know what his 3 ball will look like in a couple years. But he is pretty dang good at drawing fouls, which should give him space.

He's in a system where the ball actually moves and swings around with cuts, it's not just iso and 1 pass and shoot. The Raptors are 4th in the league in passes per game since they traded for him, contrary to the belief here he's unselfish when he's in a system where the ball swings.

Our coach sucks at offense, hence Bogdanovic falling off a cliff here.

RJ is playing veeeery well right now (except free throws). his passing is really coming along, which I always saw in glimpses. what I didn't see is, that he could be such a great cutter. thats totaly because of the system.

[MrDollarBills]

3 year window to win a title, the reign of Victor is coming.

Chet chose to attempt a pull up in Wemby's face. As if his opponent was a normal human being an not a generational freak like he is

[MrDollarBills]

Sign Morris and release Burks.

Morris as a stretch 4 off the bench is a good move. Aren't there two roster slots open?

[ScienceOfLosing]

Ask and then wait for an answer, don‘t assume.

You think Julius‘ injury had nothing to do with being tired and overplayed constantly? Notecwhen it happened - end of game.
OG was just just acquired, so no complaint.
Mitch was overused in general, even w his injury history playing those minutes? And knowing we had IHart to help w minutes?
And IHart is not used to starter minutes and being overplayed? Seems splitting their minutes and not running each into the ground would be better.
Brunson being run into the ground when Deuce could easily do 5 more minutes to help out?
RJ having knee problems at 23?
Derek Rose?
Thibs history.

We all see it and half the board complains.

I was not happy with getting Burks and even Bogs. Can‘t see either being more than situational come playoffs.
Would rather have Grimes be situational w his defense.
We‘ll see come playoffs.

We have a GREAT team though. I just hope Thibs doesn‘t continue to run them into the ground.

Yes, I do think Randle's injury had nothing to do with being tired. Are we really looking 35.4 MPG and saying to ourselves, "He's being overplayed?" That's garage. And the funny thing about that is his minutes were actually down since the OG trade. That lead was down to 6 around the 10 minutes mark. He got injured when they were up 17 a bit before the 4+ minute mark. How often have we seen in the league where being up 17 points means nothing? 3 back to back 3's and we're all screaming to get Randle back in. If that was a clean foul and Randle hits his FT's, I have no doubt in my mind the benches would have been cleared out by the 3 minute mark. Randle's injury is just flat out bad luck.

Same with Robinson. You can't tell me 29 MPG is considered overplaying. More bad luck. Sharing minutes with I-Hart is damn near moot as much as we want it. No team will ever have players do an even split on those minutes, especially 2 big men like Robinson and I-Hart. I-Hart injury is perhaps the only thing we can look at Thibs on, but then again, he's your starting C playing starter minutes of 30 MPG. I can't imagine he's so poorly conditioned that the extra 10 MPG was going to break him. The frontline got screwed. It's how the NBA goes, man.

How many times have we seen Deuce in come to give JB a breather and the other team goes on a quick run? Often. I like Deuce, but he's not a PG. That's the short and skinny of it. Bro, RJ is playing more minutes with the Raptors then he did with the Knicks. Again, 30 MPG is a lot from your starter? This is insane talk. In fact he logged his 1st 40 played minutes this season a couple of weeks ago. Go ask Rose if he blames Thibs for his ACL injury for Game 1 of the 1st Round on a non-contact drive to the basket? How's Jimmy doing? And KAT, and Conley? Noah and Gibson?

What people by large seem to not understand is that the modern NBA team do not even have on court practices the way they use to and most of the time it's film studies and other things that typically dwarf on court activities (shoot arounds do not count as practice). Until everyone's healthy, this team's starters are going to play heavier minutes. That's the reality of the situation.

So, you are essentially saying that our entire starting lineup being out more than all the other teams is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with Thibs?

When you need 4 paragraphs to defend a clear observation, I’d say your reaching.

Just hoping we are ready for the playoffs, if not, then for the draft.

[MrDollarBills]

Randle being hurt was because he was undercut by someone trying to take a charge. I don't think fatigue played a role in that.

They need to ban that sh*t from the sport. It makes zero sense that running up to undercut a player elevating should be an offensive foul. Either jump straight up to challenge the shot or it's a blocking foul, period. The league won't be happy until someone gets their head cracked open on national television from a defender doing that crap.

[thebuzzardman]

Sign Morris and release Burks.

Would be nice, but seems like Aller is protecting the cap/apron for next year, so this year's team has to sacrifice quality for the possible (dare I say imaginary?) star that will be "available" in the offseason.

[thebuzzardman]

3 year window to win a title, the reign of Victor is coming.

#1, Victory is that good and will be that great. (barring injuries)

#2, The NBA always loves a marketing angle. So the marketing angle will be the older, great, Euro bigs facing off the challenges from the new Euro big, Wemby. I guess they might draw Chet into it, where it's the new centers vs the old guard.

Those teams will be getting all the foul calls, favorable schedules, and anything else that helps guide them to conference finals and finals appearances. Plus, of course, they are good players and are or will be on good teams.

But the rest of the league is f*cked, because the NBA doesn't let other teams get in the way of the main marketing product.