Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[shadrock]

OMG Patty Mills just waived by the Hawks. WE NEED TO SIGN HIM IMMEDIATELY. Patty and Joe have real chemistry (both Aussie and play together with the national team), and he would add something we sorely need at PG, which is leadership, passing, and shooting. A seamless fit for this team.

[RichCollab]

OMG Patty Mills just waived by the Hawks. WE NEED TO SIGN HIM IMMEDIATELY. Patty and Joe have real chemistry (both Aussie and play together with the national team), and he would add something we sorely need at PG, which is leadership, passing, and shooting. A seamless fit for this team.

We need a PG who doesn’t pass and is washed up?

[MasterGMer]

What is the approximate contract Magic should offer Goga this offseason? I hope we keep him. But with Suggs and Franz contract coming up, our flexibility is really going to suffer. We should go after a big Free Agent this summer if we want to build a contender. That is maybe our last chance to build up, if we do not keep Markelle and Harris. Greyson Allen? Malik Monk? We will see how far we can go in the playoff. Maybe a big trade coming up in the summer? The window is closing for us

[shadrock]

OMG Patty Mills just waived by the Hawks. WE NEED TO SIGN HIM IMMEDIATELY. Patty and Joe have real chemistry (both Aussie and play together with the national team), and he would add something we sorely need at PG, which is leadership, passing, and shooting. A seamless fit for this team.

We need a PG who doesn’t pass and is washed up?

Patty isnt washed. People said Joe Ingles was washed and hes been a solid contributor for us. Patty can still give solid veteran minutes at the PG position and would pair perfectly with the MoeJoe lineups. Saying he cant pass is just uninformed.

[RichCollab]

OMG Patty Mills just waived by the Hawks. WE NEED TO SIGN HIM IMMEDIATELY. Patty and Joe have real chemistry (both Aussie and play together with the national team), and he would add something we sorely need at PG, which is leadership, passing, and shooting. A seamless fit for this team.

We need a PG who doesn’t pass and is washed up?

Patty isnt washed. People said Joe Ingles was washed and hes been a solid contributor for us. Patty can still give solid veteran minutes at the PG position and would pair perfectly with the MoeJoe lineups. Saying he cant pass is just uninformed.

I said he doesn’t pass. Check his career stats.

[MasterGMer]

Klay Thompson is asking for a shorter term from the Warriors. Based on report, he got upset with the coaching staff when he started as a bench player and a bad game. But Steve Kerr basically said his best role with the team is as a reserve. I am not sure how much we are willing to offer. But Klay could be a boost for us. But is he still as consistent as his prime. I do not know. But he is still averaging 17 ppg with 37% 3ptFG this season which are all among his career lows. We should take a shot at him at least my opinion

[pepe1991]

Klay Thompson is asking for a shorter term from the Warriors. Based on report, he got upset with the coaching staff when he started as a bench player and a bad game. But Steve Kerr basically said his best role with the team is as a reserve. I am not sure how much we are willing to offer. But Klay could be a boost for us. But is he still as consistent as his prime. I do not know. But he is still averaging 17 ppg with 37% 3ptFG this season which are all among his career lows. We should take a shot at him at least my opinion

He averages 20 ppg on 65% TS as bench player and 17 ppg on 55% TS as starter.

Star players get delusional with age and can't deal with decline, he is 34.

In his eyes "shorter deal" is probably something like 3 years $110M

[cedric76]

I just saw this:

"The Kings only have Monk's Early Bird rights, which means they can't offer him a starting salary above $17.4 million. That would only matter if one of the teams with cap space comes calling. Otherwise, the Kings should have no issue bringing back a core piece in their rotation."

I d offer 18M per year to Monk

[drsd]

He averages 20 ppg on 65% TS as bench player and 17 ppg on 55% TS as starter.

TSS SG leaders by basketball reference. com :

SG-PG: Immanuel Quickley at 57.8

SGs: Grayson Allen at 69.2, Malik Beasley at 64.1, Norman Powell at 63.1, Derrick White at 61.8, Austin Reaves at 61.6, Alex Caruso at 61.4, Collin Sexton at 61.3, Donte DiVincenzo at 61.1

SF-SG: Buddy Hield at 58.8


My thoughts: 1) none of these players are "stars" and as such 2) any of the above are affordable for Orlando whilst also maxing two Magicians. Point 3: I would be happy with any player of the above as a Fultz upgrade. ANY.

Orlando needs a SG that can shoot!


Edit: a Suggs / Caruso starting backcourt would really be something defensively. Orlando would not need a shot blocker at C with those two on the perimeter.

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[pepe1991]

He averages 20 ppg on 65% TS as bench player and 17 ppg on 55% TS as starter.

TSS SG leaders by basketball reference. com :

SG-PG: Immanuel Quickley at 57.8

SGs: Grayson Allen at 69.2, Malik Beasley at 64.1, Norman Powell at 63.1, Derrick White at 61.8, Austin Reaves at 61.6, Alex Caruso at 61.4, Collin Sexton at 61.3, Donte DiVincenzo at 61.1

SF-SG: Buddy Hield at 58.8


My thoughts: 1) none of these players are "stars" and as such 2) any of the above are affordable for Orlando whilst also maxing two Magicians. Point 3: I would be happy with any player of the above as a Fultz upgrade. ANY.

Orlando needs a SG that can shoot!


Edit: a Suggs / Caruso starting backcourt would really be something defensively. Orlando would not need a shot blocker at C with those two on the perimeter.

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Defensive two guards,stars at SF-PF and shotblocker C.
You desribed 2013 Pacers

PG- Hill
SG: Lance
SF:George
PF- David West
C: Hibby


Ultimate ceiling: team with better offensive talent ( Heat).

[GelbeWand09]

I really like Barnes but he is a good example some advanced stats still get fooled by raw stats and doesn't show the real impact. He got better metrics than Franz & Paolo in many cases (except the winning impact ones) At the same time he plays on losing teams without much impact on winning. The guy had Siakam, OG & FFV and still coudn't win. Even the bad spacing / 3p% of the Raptors teams are no excuse because Franz & Paolo got even worse spacing. Barnes is super versatile & is a daily triple double threat but he is just not really great at everything.
Same on defense. Theoretically he can guard 4 positions but he isn't elite guarding any one of them.
He is no No. 1 or 2. He is one of the worst iso scorers in the NBA Statwise.

His advanced stats have him affecting games more which is the most crucial for winning, although obviously team success shouldn't be the end-all, be-all of judging whether someone is a winner or not - a lot of these teams can be around where we are with a few player tweaks. I think there is real debate between the two, and I'd probably give Barnes the slight edge this year, although it's damn close and I think Franz would be way better for this team.

I also really wouldn't say "losing teams", although they're going from winning to losing because they're trading a lot of their old pieces and vets away. Barnes has 111 wins in 3 years and Franz has 89 wins. We seem to be heading in the opposite direction as the Raps, but I think if you swapped the two guys we would probably be in similar positions overall. I think it would be disingenuous to say Barnes would cause us to lose.

TBH he's kind of what Simmons was supposed to be with less pure PG skills and better overall scoring skills. That's a damn solid player, though I agree I don't think you want him being your #1. 2 or 3 seems more of an ideal role but I can see him being a solid #2 depending on the potency of the #1.

Franz pretty much slots into a perfect #2 that can activate as a #1 at times, although he needs to diversify his scoring. Can't be all drives and 31% three point shooting with no mid range game .. which is why we see him struggle a bit versus good defensive teams.

I'm a big advanced stat guy. I just say advanced stats doesnt show everything & missing context. Barnes, Franz & Paolo are just a perfect example for that case.
Barnes got much better metrics & efficieny stats than Paolo but the context is completely missing. You would think Barnes is the much better player & contributes more to winning, but the stats doesnt show the double & triple teams. The personal stats doesnt show the pressure Paolo puts on the defense & how it collapse. Things Barnes doesnt do, because he cant break down players/whole defense. The metrics show Barnes is much more efficient on not much worse counting stats --> better player. No Paolo just creates much more open shots & puts the defense under much more pressure --> in reality he is the much better offensive player but the metrics doesnt show that because they missing that context.

You see Barnes great passing stats, but those stats doesnt show that his passing doesnt improve his team or teammates that much so far. Why? Because he cant drive & kick and create easy looks for his teammates constantly. Things Paolo & Franz can do.
But the stats doesnt show this context. But because he got better (but less impactful) passing stats, he got better rating.

Same on defense. He got fantastic Stocks numbers. But Steals or Blocks doesnt mean good defense. Many bad or average defenders were top 5 in steals in the history of the NBA. His personal defense is just not so great, because of his big feets, he just doesnt move that good. Franz moves his feets much better on defense & is at least on the same level, without the stocks.

Thats the reason why Franz had good impact stats already on our tanking teams (unlike Barnes now) or why we improved so much much since drafting those 2. They just brought a lot of things to the table that helps you win, that doesnt show in personal advanced stats. With barnes it is rather the other way around so far. His numbers show a much better player than he is so far or how he effects winning.

Btw despite that i love Barnes as a player

[pepe1991]

Ujiri lost it. Or maybe never had it, just got lucky? I don't know. He did won a title, and nobody will ever take that from him.

But you look at Raptors roster before and after trades and it's like watching two opposite basketball spectrums.

Before trades, with Siakam, OG Their rotation included:

6'2 -PG
6'8 SG
6'8 SF
6'9 PF
7' C

bench: 6'10, 6'9,6'8 , 6'5 dudes. Literally, only Trent & Schroder were below 6'8


Now against Dallas two days ago they rolled:

PG: 6'2
SG: 6'6
SF: 6'5
PF: 6'8
C: 7 foot

bench: 6'4, 6'5, 6'6, 7 foot players. Now they have 6 out of 9 players below 6'8.

How do you go from one spectrum of size to another, with same coach, 4 months later?

And in same time still nothing really works.

In all that there are several players i like and that are good. I don't like Barnes, but that's just personal opinion, i think he is good but on overrated ( by his fans) spectrum.

Barnes would maybe look better if peaces around him make any sense. But they don't. They didn't make sense last year ( Siakam /OG /Barnes all playing defacto same role & occupy same spaces, especially Siakam & Barnes) and they don't make any sense now (Trent & Barrett being high usage chuckers ) BUT that's not all, they also have Brown and Agbaji who kind a do same things ( undersized SFs who don't shoot well enough to play guards ) BUT wait, there's more, just like in annoying tv selling commercials, there is always more in Toronto. They have Chris Boucher and Mcdaniels playing pretty much same role, but both are out of rotation.


It's just complete mess. I highly doubt that under those conditions any younger player would do anything better than Barnes does. You are asking 21 years old player to be best player on team that makes no sense, you flip tables and now team makes no sense but everybody around is playing for own contract and winning is no longer FOs goal.
Raptors only have 5 men under contract for next year. Among 5 they do, 2 are out of rotation



Even if you wanted to create bigger mess, it would be hard thing to achive. They sold Siakam and OG for next to nothing.

[Tarheel]

I just saw this:

"The Kings only have Monk's Early Bird rights, which means they can't offer him a starting salary above $17.4 million. That would only matter if one of the teams with cap space comes calling. Otherwise, the Kings should have no issue bringing back a core piece in their rotation."

I d offer 18M per year to Monk

I'd offer more than that, I think he's exactly what we need. But if all it takes to get him is $17.40000000001 million, sign me up

[cedric76]

I just saw this:

"The Kings only have Monk's Early Bird rights, which means they can't offer him a starting salary above $17.4 million. That would only matter if one of the teams with cap space comes calling. Otherwise, the Kings should have no issue bringing back a core piece in their rotation."

I d offer 18M per year to Monk

I'd offer more than that, I think he's exactly what we need. But if all it takes to get him is $17.40000000001 million, sign me up

Looking at other teams with cap space I don't see any teams that could offer him 20M and a chance to start next to suggs

[Furinkazan]

I think his playoff performance will determinine that.

playoffs? we talking bout playoffs?

I know we are on a right path but come on dont jinx it...... dont count your chickens before they hatch

Come on man, I talked about Fultz, if no playoffs no more Kelle obviously. Yeah very small chance is there to no playoffs. Less than 1%. I'm optimist about it and I don't deal with chickens.

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[Skybox]

I think WCJ is very good but not a good fit...there's an argument for his offense, but maybe that's just because of our lack of backcourt offense. We generally have two defensive-minded guards (Suggs, Black, Fultz, Harris...) without explosive scoring potential on a per game basis, so we accommodate with THREE offensive-minded guys on the frontline and accept limited rim-protection and rebounding. Our team rebounding is okay, but as you look at the playoffs, you've got to think the defense and rebounding is the big difference maker inside. I like the idea of WCJ in the rotation but not necessarily playing the bulk of his minutes with the starters. I would also consider moving WCJ, Cole, picks, Ingles (or waiving him), Harris, Okeke & Fultz gone...but - Here's a look at a possible rotation for next year...if we were able to ONLY add a scoring guard to pair with Suggs:

Goga, WCJ, M. Wagner *Goga (or Claxton) only makes sense IF we could generate enough offense from backcourt. Defensive C.
Paolo, Isaac *I could see WCJ, Isaac, and Mo playing all over 4/5 in different configurations. My favorite is Isaac
Franz, Houstan eventually becoming starting C and DPOY (if his body allows). I like WCJ, but better off the bench with less Suggs, Cole, Jett backcourt scoring. I could also see Cole bouncing around with different guard pairings.
Monk (or Murray or Simons), Black, vet PG like Dunn

*Claxton has not been as awesome as he was last season, so the shine is kind of off of him, IMO - depending on the price. Maybe CLE stumbles and really has to rethink their two C, two PG uber-talented but poor fitting lineup. I'd give a lot for Mobley or Jarrett Allen, but would likely have to be a 3-way as CLE is certainly win now and our picks and available players won't do it (unless we made Suggs available ). Gafford would have been a very gettable, reasonably priced facsimile of Claxton, who actually can shoot FTs.

Somehow trading for Mobley or Allen AND signing Monk would be an amazing summer. I'm not completely sold on Monk, but I do like him out of the UFA's out there....overpaying Monk AND Claxton would be fiscally dangerous-depending on the degree of overpay. You'd have to really believe Monk is the answer-not just an available improvement.

[eyriq]

I think WCJ is very good but not a good fit...there's an argument for his offense, but maybe that's just because of our lack of backcourt offense. We generally have two defensive-minded guards (Suggs, Black, Fultz, Harris...) without explosive scoring potential on a per game basis, so we accommodate with THREE offensive-minded guys on the frontline and accept limited rim-protection and rebounding. Our team rebounding is okay, but as you look at the playoffs, you've got to think the defense and rebounding is the big difference maker inside. I like the idea of WCJ in the rotation but not necessarily playing the bulk of his minutes with the starters. I would also consider moving WCJ, Cole, picks, Ingles (or waiving him), Harris, Okeke & Fultz gone...but - Here's a look at a possible rotation for next year...if we were able to ONLY add a scoring guard to pair with Suggs:

Goga, WCJ, M. Wagner *Goga (or Claxton) only makes sense IF we could generate enough offense from backcourt. Defensive C.
Paolo, Isaac *I could see WCJ, Isaac, and Mo playing all over 4/5 in different configurations. My favorite is Isaac
Franz, Houstan eventually becoming starting C and DPOY (if his body allows). I like WCJ, but better off the bench with less Suggs, Cole, Jett backcourt scoring. I could also see Cole bouncing around with different guard pairings.
Monk (or Murray or Simons), Black, vet PG like Dunn

*Claxton has not been as awesome as he was last season, so the shine is kind of off of him, IMO - depending on the price. Maybe CLE stumbles and really has to rethink their two C, two PG uber-talented but poor fitting lineup. I'd give a lot for Mobley or Jarrett Allen, but would likely have to be a 3-way as CLE is certainly win now and our picks and available players won't do it (unless we made Suggs available ). Gafford would have been a very gettable, reasonably priced facsimile of Claxton, who actually can shoot FTs.

Somehow trading for Mobley or Allen AND signing Monk would be an amazing summer. I'm not completely sold on Monk, but I do like him out of the UFA's out there....overpaying Monk AND Claxton would be fiscally dangerous-depending on the degree of overpay. You'd have to really believe Monk is the answer-not just an available improvement.

I'm still all in on Claxton for us. He's so versatile on defense and is a great rebounder. Coming into his early prime next season. We will love him, we've seen how impactful Goga has been.

[drsd]

Defensive two guards,stars at SF-PF and shotblocker C.
You desribed 2013 Pacers

PG- Hill
SG: Lance
SF:George
PF- David West
C: Hibby

You forgot, "coached by Frank Vogel".

Ultimate ceiling: team with better offensive talent ( Heat).

Well yeh, the Pacers lost to a James/Wade/Bosh Miami team. It's kind of like this year, no Eastern team can match the firepower of the Celts. I guess the learning-curve is "build a team around two or three Hall of FAme level players". I can get behind the logic, and Hope Orlando is doing just that.

[drsd]

I think WCJ is very good but not a good fit....

I kind of agree here. If the Magic could flip Carter with the teams expiring money (G-Harris and Fultz) for a quality SG, I would be quite OK with the Magic locking up Bitadze on a 3-4 year deal and calling is an off-season.

[Skybox]

I think WCJ is very good but not a good fit...there's an argument for his offense, but maybe that's just because of our lack of backcourt offense. We generally have two defensive-minded guards (Suggs, Black, Fultz, Harris...) without explosive scoring potential on a per game basis, so we accommodate with THREE offensive-minded guys on the frontline and accept limited rim-protection and rebounding. Our team rebounding is okay, but as you look at the playoffs, you've got to think the defense and rebounding is the big difference maker inside. I like the idea of WCJ in the rotation but not necessarily playing the bulk of his minutes with the starters. I would also consider moving WCJ, Cole, picks, Ingles (or waiving him), Harris, Okeke & Fultz gone...but - Here's a look at a possible rotation for next year...if we were able to ONLY add a scoring guard to pair with Suggs:

Goga, WCJ, M. Wagner *Goga (or Claxton) only makes sense IF we could generate enough offense from backcourt. Defensive C.
Paolo, Isaac *I could see WCJ, Isaac, and Mo playing all over 4/5 in different configurations. My favorite is Isaac
Franz, Houstan eventually becoming starting C and DPOY (if his body allows). I like WCJ, but better off the bench with less Suggs, Cole, Jett backcourt scoring. I could also see Cole bouncing around with different guard pairings.
Monk (or Murray or Simons), Black, vet PG like Dunn

*Claxton has not been as awesome as he was last season, so the shine is kind of off of him, IMO - depending on the price. Maybe CLE stumbles and really has to rethink their two C, two PG uber-talented but poor fitting lineup. I'd give a lot for Mobley or Jarrett Allen, but would likely have to be a 3-way as CLE is certainly win now and our picks and available players won't do it (unless we made Suggs available ). Gafford would have been a very gettable, reasonably priced facsimile of Claxton, who actually can shoot FTs.

Somehow trading for Mobley or Allen AND signing Monk would be an amazing summer. I'm not completely sold on Monk, but I do like him out of the UFA's out there....overpaying Monk AND Claxton would be fiscally dangerous-depending on the degree of overpay. You'd have to really believe Monk is the answer-not just an available improvement.

I'm still all in on Claxton for us. He's so versatile on defense and is a great rebounder. Coming into his early prime next season. We will love him, we've seen how impactful Goga has been.

I really like the idea of platooning a guy like him with Goga (if he's cheap) or Isaac (if he's healthy). Isaac could play mins at C when Clax is out and maintain the defensive presence inside. Goga's really good around the rim (he affects everything) but if you get him to step out even a little- he's nowhere near as effective (as Claxton and, especially Isaac). Adding Claxton seems like defensive overkill, but I really think a true rim protector allows a LOT more freedom with backcourt scorers. Adding Claxton AND a backcourt scorer like Dejounte Murray who is ALSO a defensive menace would be downright frightening...not sure what that would take as ATL is likely win-now, but assuming a 3-way with WCJ, Cole, maybe Jett, picks, cap space...

Claxton, Isaac, Mo
Paolo, Isaac, Mo (maybe a rookie?)
Franz, Houstan, Ingles?
Suggs, Harris or Cole?
Murray, Black

Mosely's dream (nightmare defensively) team

Anyone disagree about Goga? am I underrating his defense away from the rim? (just my general impression and my best guess why he sits so much).