Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[MasterGMer]

Also... to all the Monk supporters here, just wanna say that after Grayson had that 8-12 3pt mqde last game, he is now 5-6 in 3pt IN THE 1ST QUARTER alone.

Wr need to sign this man.

my question for Grayson would be, how is he at creating his own shot? Monk is decent at that

Another question I have is how much of an upgrade is Grayson from Harris?

[RookieStar]

Also... to all the Monk supporters here, just wanna say that after Grayson had that 8-12 3pt mqde last game, he is now 5-6 in 3pt IN THE 1ST QUARTER alone.

Wr need to sign this man.

my question for Grayson would be, how is he at creating his own shot? Monk is decent at that

Not as good as Monk. Which is why im fine with him. We have PB and Franz for that. All we need is for him to either be a threat so they can't build a wall against PB or punish them by making 8 3s in a quarter of they do.

[RookieStar]

Also... to all the Monk supporters here, just wanna say that after Grayson had that 8-12 3pt mqde last game, he is now 5-6 in 3pt IN THE 1ST QUARTER alone.

Wr need to sign this man.

my question for Grayson would be, how is he at creating his own shot? Monk is decent at that

Another question I have is how much of an upgrade is Grayson from Harris?

The fact that Grayson just lqunched and made 7 3s in the 1st quarter alone, not counting their last gane where he went 8-12 in 3s for the entire game, he is def a big upgrade.

[tiderulz]

Also... to all the Monk supporters here, just wanna say that after Grayson had that 8-12 3pt mqde last game, he is now 5-6 in 3pt IN THE 1ST QUARTER alone.

Wr need to sign this man.

my question for Grayson would be, how is he at creating his own shot? Monk is decent at that

Not as good as Monk. Which is why im fine with him. We have PB and Franz for that. All we need is for him to either be a threat so they can't build a wall against PB or punish them by making 8 3s in a quarter of they do.

i do agree that shooting is the priority.

[cedric76]

So many 3pt threat available this summer and only few people with money to go after them

[Duke4life831]

Also... to all the Monk supporters here, just wanna say that after Grayson had that 8-12 3pt mqde last game, he is now 5-6 in 3pt IN THE 1ST QUARTER alone.

Wr need to sign this man.

my question for Grayson would be, how is he at creating his own shot? Monk is decent at that

Not as good as Monk. Which is why im fine with him. We have PB and Franz for that. All we need is for him to either be a threat so they can't build a wall against PB or punish them by making 8 3s in a quarter of they do.

Grayson is also a much better defender compared to Monk. Grayson to me would be an ideal fit for you guys. The dude is one of the best shooters in the league, he knows how to play off of stars, he’s a good defender (so you guys won’t lose any defensive identity), and he’s also a solid ball handler as well.

[pepe1991]

Where age isn't that important factor, it's worth taking a note that small guards tend to fall off cliff after injuries and decline faster.

Allen is just one year younger than Gary Harris and he would start new contract at age of 29.

Also Allen went from 6'5 to 6'3 in one year

[RookieStar]

Where age isn't that important factor, it's worth taking a note that small guards tend to fall off cliff after injuries and decline faster.

Allen is just one year younger than Gary Harris and he would start new contract at age of 29.

Also Allen went from 6'5 to 6'3 in one year

I alwqys considered him as 6'3 plus barefoot. So that 6'5 in NBA terms could ve accurate.

Also. If he really will be 29, then this will probably be his last BIG contract. He probably accepts the biggest one thrown at him cuz at maybe 32-33 the enxt contract wont be as juicy

[pepe1991]

Where age isn't that important factor, it's worth taking a note that small guards tend to fall off cliff after injuries and decline faster.

Allen is just one year younger than Gary Harris and he would start new contract at age of 29.

Also Allen went from 6'5 to 6'3 in one year

I alwqys considered him as 6'3 plus barefoot. So that 6'5 in NBA terms could ve accurate.

Also. If he really will be 29, then this will probably be his last BIG contract. He probably accepts the biggest one thrown at him cuz at maybe 32-33 the enxt contract wont be as juicy

He is one of players who's size was lowered after official measurments to 6'4.


He was old rookie, arived in nba at age of 23, he is born in October of 1995. For reference point, Gary Harris was born in September of 1994.

[RookieStar]

Where age isn't that important factor, it's worth taking a note that small guards tend to fall off cliff after injuries and decline faster.

Allen is just one year younger than Gary Harris and he would start new contract at age of 29.

Also Allen went from 6'5 to 6'3 in one year

I alwqys considered him as 6'3 plus barefoot. So that 6'5 in NBA terms could ve accurate.

Also. If he really will be 29, then this will probably be his last BIG contract. He probably accepts the biggest one thrown at him cuz at maybe 32-33 the enxt contract wont be as juicy

He is one of players who's size was lowered after official measurments to 6'4.


He was old rookie, arived in nba at age of 23, he is born in October of 1995. For reference point, Gary Harris was born in September of 1994.

His age is perfect for our timeline. We cant have all earlt 20s in our core. Besides his position is who we are replacing Gary,Fultz,Okeke with...

A 6'4-6'5 guard is perfectly acceptable forjour backcourt.

[Skybox]

Where age isn't that important factor, it's worth taking a note that small guards tend to fall off cliff after injuries and decline faster.

Allen is just one year younger than Gary Harris and he would start new contract at age of 29.

Also Allen went from 6'5 to 6'3 in one year

I alwqys considered him as 6'3 plus barefoot. So that 6'5 in NBA terms could ve accurate.

Also. If he really will be 29, then this will probably be his last BIG contract. He probably accepts the biggest one thrown at him cuz at maybe 32-33 the enxt contract wont be as juicy

I understand that SAC has limitations as to what they can offer Monk…what is PHX’s situation? Obviously, new owner went all-in for KD & Beal…do they have any restrictions financially? Not sure they’d let him go without insane overpay- Sac may have no choice.

I would add that ORL could look like Monk’s big breakout opportunity (that won’t likely present in SAC). Allen’s already in his ideal spot next to 3 legit stars…I know Grayson’s from Jax, which (maybe) factors. Quality of life/weather/taxes is pretty good in PHX (like ORL).

Both are interesting, FO better pick a favorite and go hard on Day 1.

[basketballRob]

Also... to all the Monk supporters here, just wanna say that after Grayson had that 8-12 3pt mqde last game, he is now 5-6 in 3pt IN THE 1ST QUARTER alone.

Wr need to sign this man.

my question for Grayson would be, how is he at creating his own shot? Monk is decent at that

Another question I have is how much of an upgrade is Grayson from Harris?

We could have both. They both have the same agent. Grayson would just replace Fultz. He's been a part of some great teams and defenses.

Weltman has probably had conversations with Grayson's agent already since he represents Harris.


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[Skybox]

my question for Grayson would be, how is he at creating his own shot? Monk is decent at that

Another question I have is how much of an upgrade is Grayson from Harris?

We could have both. They both have the same agent. Grayson would just replace Fultz. He's been a part of some great teams and defenses.

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They both shoot 3's...Harris, even as a starter in DEN, playing 30+ mpg, only attempted more than 5 3's per game in one season...and, most other years, including all of his time in ORL, he attempted considerably less.

Allen, playing considerably less minutes (until recently) routinely hunts 3's more aggressively and right now is at his efficient peak. Looking at them, Grayson looks bigger but listed measurements don't really bear that out. Either way, unless the money is WAY off - I think Grayson could really be peaking as THE premier off-ball shooter this year and ready to carry that on for a couple more years.

I always wanted Gary (who clearly is a good shooter) to be more proactive in getting up 3's - but that's just not who he is. I'm happy to keep Gary as 3rd SG if the deal is minimal and trades dictate that a higher ceiling young guy (specifically Jett!) isn't there. Gary is pretty reliable, pretty solid, pretty unimportant for this team...Honestly, Kevon or Queen's toughness in that spot would be more than sufficient.

As ORL improves, the rotation should tighten anyway...Having a really good 11th man will become less of an available luxury as the money flows to the top of the roster.

[byeganyo]

Another question I have is how much of an upgrade is Grayson from Harris?

We could have both. They both have the same agent. Grayson would just replace Fultz. He's been a part of some great teams and defenses.

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They both shoot 3's...Harris, even as a starter in DEN, playing 30+ mpg, only attempted more than 5 3's per game in one season...and, most other years, including all of his time in ORL, he attempted considerably less.

Allen, playing considerably less minutes (until recently) routinely hunts 3's more aggressively and right now is at his efficient peak. Looking at them, Grayson looks bigger but listed measurements don't really bear that out. Either way, unless the money is WAY off - I think Grayson could really be peaking as THE premier off-ball shooter this year and ready to carry that on for a couple more years.

I always wanted Gary (who clearly is a good shooter) to be more proactive in getting up 3's - but that's just not who he is. I'm happy to keep Gary as 3rd SG if the deal is minimal and trades dictate that a higher ceiling young guy (specifically Jett!) isn't there. Gary is pretty reliable, pretty solid, pretty unimportant for this team...Honestly, Kevon or Queen's toughness in that spot would be more than sufficient.

As ORL improves, the rotation should tighten anyway...Having a really good 11th man will become less of an available luxury as the money flows to the top of the roster.

Its more of a coincidence maybe, but this season we are 26-13 in the games Harris plays and 11-13 in the games he doesnt suit up.
If he accepts Okeke money we should keep him.

Also Grayson Allen is having a carrer year, scoring... 13 ppg and has only one out of 6 seasons were he has managed to reach 70 games in a season... So even at a glance he doesnt seem as some big improvement.

[basketballRob]

We could have both. They both have the same agent. Grayson would just replace Fultz. He's been a part of some great teams and defenses.

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They both shoot 3's...Harris, even as a starter in DEN, playing 30+ mpg, only attempted more than 5 3's per game in one season...and, most other years, including all of his time in ORL, he attempted considerably less.

Allen, playing considerably less minutes (until recently) routinely hunts 3's more aggressively and right now is at his efficient peak. Looking at them, Grayson looks bigger but listed measurements don't really bear that out. Either way, unless the money is WAY off - I think Grayson could really be peaking as THE premier off-ball shooter this year and ready to carry that on for a couple more years.

I always wanted Gary (who clearly is a good shooter) to be more proactive in getting up 3's - but that's just not who he is. I'm happy to keep Gary as 3rd SG if the deal is minimal and trades dictate that a higher ceiling young guy (specifically Jett!) isn't there. Gary is pretty reliable, pretty solid, pretty unimportant for this team...Honestly, Kevon or Queen's toughness in that spot would be more than sufficient.

As ORL improves, the rotation should tighten anyway...Having a really good 11th man will become less of an available luxury as the money flows to the top of the roster.

Its more of a coincidence maybe, but this season we are 26-13 in the games Harris plays and 11-13 in the games he doesnt suit up.
If he accepts Okeke money we should keep him.

Also Grayson Allen is having a carrer year, scoring... 13 ppg and has only one out of 6 seasons were he has managed to reach 70 games in a season... So even at a glance he doesnt seem as some big improvement.

You made a point that Harris has been pretty good, but you don't want another player that is just as good or better? Also, I think Harris gets a similar deal to what he had.

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[CarraT]

Another question I have is how much of an upgrade is Grayson from Harris?

We could have both. They both have the same agent. Grayson would just replace Fultz. He's been a part of some great teams and defenses.

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They both shoot 3's...Harris, even as a starter in DEN, playing 30+ mpg, only attempted more than 5 3's per game in one season...and, most other years, including all of his time in ORL, he attempted considerably less.

Allen, playing considerably less minutes (until recently) routinely hunts 3's more aggressively and right now is at his efficient peak. Looking at them, Grayson looks bigger but listed measurements don't really bear that out. Either way, unless the money is WAY off - I think Grayson could really be peaking as THE premier off-ball shooter this year and ready to carry that on for a couple more years.

I always wanted Gary (who clearly is a good shooter) to be more proactive in getting up 3's - but that's just not who he is. I'm happy to keep Gary as 3rd SG if the deal is minimal and trades dictate that a higher ceiling young guy (specifically Jett!) isn't there. Gary is pretty reliable, pretty solid, pretty unimportant for this team...Honestly, Kevon or Queen's toughness in that spot would be more than sufficient.

As ORL improves, the rotation should tighten anyway...Having a really good 11th man will become less of an available luxury as the money flows to the top of the roster.

Stats dont back this up.
Gary Harris, in his 4 seasons with Orlando, averaged 6.1 3PA and 13.1 points per 36 mins.
Grayson Allen, this season, averages same 6.1 3PA per 36 mins. He´s just a bit more efficient, leading to whole point more per 36 mins (14.1).
Is he better than Harris? Probably yes. But he really is not a lot better, quite the same type of player.
I´d rather take a swing with Monk, who is playing way more like a lead guard. I still would love to get Allen as the Suggs Backup, but we already have AB for that.

[basketballRob]

We could have both. They both have the same agent. Grayson would just replace Fultz. He's been a part of some great teams and defenses.

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They both shoot 3's...Harris, even as a starter in DEN, playing 30+ mpg, only attempted more than 5 3's per game in one season...and, most other years, including all of his time in ORL, he attempted considerably less.

Allen, playing considerably less minutes (until recently) routinely hunts 3's more aggressively and right now is at his efficient peak. Looking at them, Grayson looks bigger but listed measurements don't really bear that out. Either way, unless the money is WAY off - I think Grayson could really be peaking as THE premier off-ball shooter this year and ready to carry that on for a couple more years.

I always wanted Gary (who clearly is a good shooter) to be more proactive in getting up 3's - but that's just not who he is. I'm happy to keep Gary as 3rd SG if the deal is minimal and trades dictate that a higher ceiling young guy (specifically Jett!) isn't there. Gary is pretty reliable, pretty solid, pretty unimportant for this team...Honestly, Kevon or Queen's toughness in that spot would be more than sufficient.

As ORL improves, the rotation should tighten anyway...Having a really good 11th man will become less of an available luxury as the money flows to the top of the roster.

Stats dont back this up.
Gary Harris, in his 4 seasons with Orlando, averaged 6.1 3PA and 13.1 points per 36 mins.
Grayson Allen, this season, averages same 6.1 3PA per 36 mins. He´s just a bit more efficient, leading to whole point more per 36 mins (14.1).
Is he better than Harris? Probably yes. But he really is not a lot better, quite the same type of player.
I´d rather take a swing with Monk, who is playing way more like a lead guard. I still would love to get Allen as the Suggs Backup, but we already have AB for that.

Monk isn't as good as Grayson based on net rating and shooting.

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[Skybox]

We could have both. They both have the same agent. Grayson would just replace Fultz. He's been a part of some great teams and defenses.

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They both shoot 3's...Harris, even as a starter in DEN, playing 30+ mpg, only attempted more than 5 3's per game in one season...and, most other years, including all of his time in ORL, he attempted considerably less.

Allen, playing considerably less minutes (until recently) routinely hunts 3's more aggressively and right now is at his efficient peak. Looking at them, Grayson looks bigger but listed measurements don't really bear that out. Either way, unless the money is WAY off - I think Grayson could really be peaking as THE premier off-ball shooter this year and ready to carry that on for a couple more years.

I always wanted Gary (who clearly is a good shooter) to be more proactive in getting up 3's - but that's just not who he is. I'm happy to keep Gary as 3rd SG if the deal is minimal and trades dictate that a higher ceiling young guy (specifically Jett!) isn't there. Gary is pretty reliable, pretty solid, pretty unimportant for this team...Honestly, Kevon or Queen's toughness in that spot would be more than sufficient.

As ORL improves, the rotation should tighten anyway...Having a really good 11th man will become less of an available luxury as the money flows to the top of the roster.

Stats dont back this up.
Gary Harris, in his 4 seasons with Orlando, averaged 6.1 3PA and 13.1 points per 36 mins.
Grayson Allen, this season, averages same 6.1 3PA per 36 mins. He´s just a bit more efficient, leading to whole point more per 36 mins (14.1).
Is he better than Harris? Probably yes. But he really is not a lot better, quite the same type of player.
I´d rather take a swing with Monk, who is playing way more like a lead guard. I still would love to get Allen as the Suggs Backup, but we already have AB for that.

Per 36 is ...that's not equalizing stats, that's ignoring why a player isn't playing more (or less). Admittedly, roster construction is a factor but Mo Bamba's early HOF per 36 stats have soured me forever on the concept. Grayson IS clearly a better player and better shooter than Harris (who is good too)...the question is how much better and how much money?

[pepe1991]

Allen only scores 22% of all points unassisted.
Monk 40%.

Allen lacks self creation and ability to attack offense off dribble.

Out of 497 FGA he took : 280 were taken with 0 dribbles, 39 with 1 dribble, 57 with 2 dribbles. That's 376/497 (76%) of his offense where he relies heavily on others to do anything for him on offense.


Monk on other hand on 753 FGA but 294 FGA were taken with 2 to 6 steps (39%).

Monk is way more comfortable putting ball on the floor and playing with ball, where Allen is stationary spot up shooter and that's pretty much it.
Allen is better defender and less trigger happy.

But if you have Suggs who is much like Allen, do you really need two guards who don't feel comfortable playing with ball and aren't very good when they put ball on the floor? Seems repetitive & limiting to me. During regular season probably not big deal, but in playoffs you want to have guards who won't be taken out of a game if somebody chases them out of 3 point line.


I would not be upset if we get Allen tho. In both cases it just depends on money.

[Skybox]

Just an aside...Do we play PHX again? Would be funny to see all of this Grayson love go out the window quick when he sticks his leg out and trips Isaac on a drive. His career highlight reel all the way back to Duke is kind of like Bill Laimbeer's