OT: NFL 23-24 Season thread 2

[mpharris36]

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[Ghetto Gospel]

I agree last year was a dud...the oline broke down with Thomas getting hurt on the first drive...Jones started to get happy feet in the pocket because he was under crazy pressure...then he took enough hits to get hurt. It was a disaster of a season that didn't work out. I don't think at the time we expected to have that kind of season and were trying to build off the playoffs.

Okereke was a really good signing. He has some misses. Paris Campbell sucked, the trade for Waller seemed like a no brainer at the time to get a weapon in here but he was never healthy all year and is now considering retiring.

I thought he draft was good. Banks looks like a legit CB...JMS seems like he should be a starting center in this league for a while, and Hyatt will have a role with his speed once we figure out the QB situation.

His first draft had some hits and misses.

KT is still a bit up in the air...has some great moments and then disappears...hopefully under a new HC that values edge rusher and not odd blitz schemes that have there best rushers dropping into coverage. Also on the other end of Burns and with Dexter in the middle KT should get all the the 1 on 1 opportunities.

Neal well this will be it for him...with some of there signings maybe he moves down to guard and thrives...that seemed like the safest pick at the time.

Wandale looks good...flott and bellinger and belton are contributors...and mcfadden is a starting caliber LB.

Pretty solid drafting. Obviously the most important thing that will outweigh everything else is how he pivots at the QB position.

i think you're over-selling the draft.

JMS was not good, but he was a rookie so we'll see. hyatt looks like he could be a 3rd or 4th receiver which is fine for a 3rd round pick

KT is okay but i don't think he's shown his worth as the 5th overall pick. neal is clearly a miss for a 7th overall pick. wan'dale is okay but for a 2nd round pick you'd expect a little more. flott, bellinger, belton and mcfadden are all backups on good teams imo

I'm not judging anyone fully from the OL until we see what they can do under a new oline coach...Bobby Johnson was pure ****.

Flott I believe in as a slot corner and Mcfadden graded out pretty well as a starting ILB.

Our QB situation and oline was so bad last year I have a hard time also evaluating Hyatt. I think if you got a true #1 where Hyatt plays opposite and Wandale plays the slot is a very solid to good WR core that compliments each other well.

Two years in I don't think we can say its bad drafts...I think there are some hits and some misses. He certainly didn't hit them out of the park but I do think some have some more upside to grow into solid to good draft classes.

I like the fact he values certain positions though...huge step up from Getty.

sure, but i don't think you can say JMS is a starting center, when he hasn't shown it yet.

it's definitely not good drafting to say the least. you need at least 2-3 starting caliber players in every draft class and given the resources he had with 2 top 10 picks, we should be getting much better returns

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i'd trade down with the vikings, and let them take JJM. pick up the extra pick and get more talent

[mpharris36]

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i'd trade down with the vikings, and let them take JJM. pick up the extra pick and get more talent

or you sit at #6 and let the 4 qbs go earlier...and then MHjr probably goes in that group as well and you have your choice of Odunze or Nabers.

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i'd trade down with the vikings, and let them take JJM. pick up the extra pick and get more talent

or you sit at #6 and let the 4 qbs go earlier...and then MHjr probably goes in that group as well and you have your choice of Odunze or Nabers.

its to save us from ourselves and picking JJM. i can already tell mara is frothing at the mouth to reach for another white qb

[TerrenceClarke]

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As much as I want to feed into this imma chill.

Not sure why I like this dude more than most but I do

[mpharris36]

i'd trade down with the vikings, and let them take JJM. pick up the extra pick and get more talent

or you sit at #6 and let the 4 qbs go earlier...and then MHjr probably goes in that group as well and you have your choice of Odunze or Nabers.

its to save us from ourselves and picking JJM. i can already tell mara is frothing at the mouth to reach for another white qb

what does this even mean?

If we had a chance to draft Jayden Daniels we wouldn't because he was black?

[FrozenEnvelope]

i'd trade down with the vikings, and let them take JJM. pick up the extra pick and get more talent

or you sit at #6 and let the 4 qbs go earlier...and then MHjr probably goes in that group as well and you have your choice of Odunze or Nabers.

its to save us from ourselves and picking JJM. i can already tell mara is frothing at the mouth to reach for another white qb

You're an idiot. Didn't we just have Tyrod here? Didn't we sign Geno a few years ago? Didn't we just have Russell Wilson and Winston rumored? Think before you post!

[Ghetto Gospel]

or you sit at #6 and let the 4 qbs go earlier...and then MHjr probably goes in that group as well and you have your choice of Odunze or Nabers.

its to save us from ourselves and picking JJM. i can already tell mara is frothing at the mouth to reach for another white qb

what does this even mean?

If we had a chance to draft Jayden Daniels we wouldn't because he was black?

i'd love to be proven wrong. if they're both available (unlikely), i could see us taking JJM instead

[Ghetto Gospel]

or you sit at #6 and let the 4 qbs go earlier...and then MHjr probably goes in that group as well and you have your choice of Odunze or Nabers.

its to save us from ourselves and picking JJM. i can already tell mara is frothing at the mouth to reach for another white qb

You're an idiot. Didn't we just have Tyrod here? Didn't we sign Geno a few years ago? Didn't we just have Russell Wilson and Winston rumored? Think before you post!

as backups sure. we didn't look at any of those guys as the qb of the future

[TerrenceClarke]

He cleary is talking about Drafted QBs which the Giants are like the last team or so not to do so.

Tyrod Taylor and Geno dont count as the "future"

[Ghetto Gospel]

He cleary is talking about Drafted QBs which the Giants are like the last team or so not to do so.

Tyrod Taylor and Geno dont count as the "future"

last team in the nfl to start a black qb and last team in the nfl to have a black qb win a game (last year)

i'm just saying

side note: also no black head coach ever

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/now-only-one-nfl-team-hasnt-started-an-african-american-qb-in-its-history-145545532.html

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/tyrod-taylor-becomes-first-black-quarterback-to-ever-win-a-game-for-the-giants

[TerrenceClarke]

in 100 years of football. The giants have had only two black QBs start for them and its because of Injury. The Giants have been whispered for years for not drafting black QBs.

Haskins was consdidered the better prospect over DJ and they picked DJ over Haskins.

Even the media has mad rumblings about the Giants and Black Qbs and coaches. Its not as if GG is saying something nobody else speaks on

[FrozenEnvelope]

He cleary is talking about Drafted QBs which the Giants are like the last team or so not to do so.

Tyrod Taylor and Geno dont count as the "future"

And which AM QB did we pass in a draft? And what proof do you have Mara/NYG management is racist?

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in 100 years of football. The giants have had only two black QBs start for them and its because of Injury. The Giants have been whispered for years for not drafting black QBs.

Haskins was consdidered the better prospect over DJ and they picked DJ over Haskins.

Even the media has mad rumblings about the Giants and Black Qbs and coaches. Its not as if GG is saying something nobody else speaks on

And it was the right decision! Haskins, RIP, was awful.

[Ghetto Gospel]

my bad, i didn't mean to derail the thread. i thought this was something that was already known and understood.

didn't realize it'd cause an argument

[FrozenEnvelope]

He cleary is talking about Drafted QBs which the Giants are like the last team or so not to do so.

Tyrod Taylor and Geno dont count as the "future"

last team in the nfl to start a black qb and last team in the nfl to have a black qb win a game (last year)

i'm just saying

side note: also no black head coach ever

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/now-only-one-nfl-team-hasnt-started-an-african-american-qb-in-its-history-145545532.html

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/tyrod-taylor-becomes-first-black-quarterback-to-ever-win-a-game-for-the-giants

I think you're reading into something that is not there. NYG have promoted AM (Reese, Brandon Brown) front office executives and hired plenty of coordinators as well. The lack of a AM QB and HC has more to do with pool of candidates at the time they needed to fill those positions. I have zero doubt if they like Caleb or Jayden in this draft and they had a chance to take them, they would in a heart beat. NYG are not a racist organization!

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my bad, i didn't mean to derail the thread. i thought this was something that was already known and understood.

didn't realize it'd cause an argument

I never heard those claims NYG were considered racist because they never drafted a AM QB or hired a AM HC. We can go back year by year and look at the candidates they passed up that happened to be AM but truthfully nobody really pops into my head.

[Ghetto Gospel]

my bad, i didn't mean to derail the thread. i thought this was something that was already known and understood.

didn't realize it'd cause an argument

I never heard those claims NYG were considered racist because they never drafted a AM QB or hired a AM HC. We can go back year by year and look at the candidates they passed up that happened to be AM but truthfully nobody really pops into my head.

you do know we hired joe judge right

[FrozenEnvelope]

my bad, i didn't mean to derail the thread. i thought this was something that was already known and understood.

didn't realize it'd cause an argument

I never heard those claims NYG were considered racist because they never drafted a AM QB or hired a AM HC. We can go back year by year and look at the candidates they passed up that happened to be AM but truthfully nobody really pops into my head.

you do know we hired joe judge right

And it was an awful decision but he wasn't hired cause he was white. He was hired because Mara and management were fooled by his used cars sales pitch during the interview (like most of us fans were during his introduction) and the Belichick coaching tree bs.

At the time Judge was hired, which AM coaches did we pass up?