Zach Edey, 7-4

[The-Power]

Why does he keep returning to school?

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

[GoBobs]

Why does he keep returning to school?

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

This, and we are going to really find out what kind of NBA prospect he is a couple years from now. I know this might be hard to believe but sometimes the experts get it wrong.

Luka had a lot of success, but people were concerned how this slow fat white dude was going to do as a PG in the NBA. That is how we ended up with:

1. Ayton
2. Bagley
3. Luka (traded for Trae at 5)

Sengun had a nice resume in the 2021 draft in terms of stats and accomplishments but the experts projected he wouldn't translate well to the nba game, wouldn't be able to guard anybody. He probably should have gone a lot higher than 16.

[BigGargamel]

Why does he keep returning to school?

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

This, and we are going to really find out what kind of NBA prospect he is a couple years from now. I know this might be hard to believe but sometimes the experts get it wrong.

Luka had a lot of success, but people were concerned how this slow fat white dude was going to do as a PG in the NBA. That is how we ended up with:

1. Ayton
2. Bagley
3. Luka (traded for Trae at 5)

Sengun had a nice resume in the 2021 draft in terms of stats and accomplishments but the experts projected he wouldn't translate well to the nba game, wouldn't be able to guard anybody. He probably should have gone a lot higher than 16.

Eh, I get what you're saying but young Euro's vs. a 22 year old four year college guy is not really a good comparison at all. Those you listed were still developing, there is always mystery, intrigue and the unknown with them. Edey is what he is, there's all the tape in the world out on him. The track record of college athletes like him succeeding in the NBA is pretty low. If he was a great NBA prospect he would have declared for the draft after his sophomore or junior year. How many four year players become great in the NBA? Literally all I can think of is Jimmy Butler.

I think Edey can become a competent back up big in the NBA, or even a decent starter if things break right. However, his deficiencies are numerous and potentially career crippling. He's going to have to have a Jimmy Butler-like work ethic to overcome them. In my useless, non professional opinion.

[The-Power]

I do think that production in college or overseas gets a bit underrated among draft nerds. I've often enough fallen victim to that myself, both in terms ranking some players with great production lower than they should have been for fear of it not translating to the NBA and ranking some players with meager production higher than they should have been based on the idea of what they could be.

Obviously projecting how skills or athleticism will translate is important, and the best or most productive college players are clearly not the default best college prospects (even if we compare them only to their respective age group or class). But production matters. College players trust these players for a reason, and production often translates pretty well to the NBA. Consistency in a player's performance, which allows them to produce over extended periods, is still often undervalued in a media environment that is built around highlights and zooms in on peak performances.

This doesn't mean that I believe Edey will come in and dominate in the NBA the same way he dominated in college. It doesn't even mean that Edey is for sure an NBA player. He's a difficult player to project because relatively small margins in certain areas might make or break his NBA career. But there's still a possibility that Edey comes into the NBA, adapts his game to a certain degree (roll more, increase the passing frequency, utilize at least short floaters) and then goes on to be a very productive NBA player.

There were plenty of payers that were highly productive in their leagues who have seen a ton of skepticism when it comes to their ability to play in the NBA at a high level. Opponents were supposed to be too tall or too athletic, or the game too fast or too evolved. For some prospects with concerns that was true, but for others it was not and they thrived instead. Will Edey be one of them? I too have my doubts, but I'm willing to acknowledge the possibility.

[The-Power]

Edey is what he is, there's all the tape in the world out on him.

There is. What we don't know, though, is how all of his deficiencies and strengths translate or how he does playing in and against modern NBA systems. That's still a big question mark.

The track record of college athletes like him succeeding in the NBA is pretty low.

Who do you think compares to him? I fully understand being skeptical when it comes to Edey but to me that has a lot to do with him being a pretty unique prospect whose strengths should in theory be buried and his weaknesses highlighted by modern NBA systems. I'm not skeptical because other Edeys in recent years have failed.

If he was a great NBA prospect he would have declared for the draft after his sophomore or junior year. How many four year players become great in the NBA? Literally all I can think of is Jimmy Butler.

A ton of great players were Upperclassmen. Now, you'll rightly point out that we shouldn't include those that weren't allowed to leave prematurely as the circumstances were very different. But in that case we should also point out that the circumstances are also different for Edey. Without NIL money, Edey would not be a college player right now and he would have been at least drafted one or two years ago.

[GoBobs]

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

This, and we are going to really find out what kind of NBA prospect he is a couple years from now. I know this might be hard to believe but sometimes the experts get it wrong.

Luka had a lot of success, but people were concerned how this slow fat white dude was going to do as a PG in the NBA. That is how we ended up with:

1. Ayton
2. Bagley
3. Luka (traded for Trae at 5)

Sengun had a nice resume in the 2021 draft in terms of stats and accomplishments but the experts projected he wouldn't translate well to the nba game, wouldn't be able to guard anybody. He probably should have gone a lot higher than 16.

Eh, I get what you're saying but young Euro's vs. a 22 year old four year college guy is not really a good comparison at all. Those you listed were still developing, there is always mystery, intrigue and the unknown with them. Edey is what he is, there's all the tape in the world out on him. The track record of college athletes like him succeeding in the NBA is pretty low. If he was a great NBA prospect he would have declared for the draft after his sophomore or junior year. How many four year players become great in the NBA? Literally all I can think of is Jimmy Butler.

I think Edey can become a competent back up big in the NBA, or even a decent starter if things break right. However, his deficiencies are numerous and potentially career crippling. He's going to have to have a Jimmy Butler-like work ethic to overcome them. In my useless, non professional opinion.

But it was the same thought process with both those guys, that they would have some career crippling flaw because they are not athletic enough to defend.

Sengun was supposed to be to small to be a center and to slow to guard anybody. People ignored that he put up numbers in a good league and was the MVP of the league. He is successful not because of some huge development, he is doing the same thing in the NBA he did in Turkey, averaging a double double with bad defense.

Same with Luka, his defense still mostly sucks, but he is doing all the good things on offense he did in the Euroleague.

Also Dame Lillard a good example of 4 year college player succeeding

[JustBuzzin]

Why does he keep returning to school?

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

So the best player you have seen in the last 25 years has been Zach Edey?

Better than KD? Better than Melo? Better than AD? Even Michael Beasley?


Cmon man I need answers!

[EvanZ]

Why does he keep returning to school?

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

So the best player you have seen in the last 25 years has been Zach Edey?

Better than KD? Better than Melo? Better than AD? Even Michael Beasley?


Cmon man I need answers!

College is a very different game than the NBA. Small guards and lumbering bigs dominate NCAA competition but can't translate to the NBA.

So it is absolutely not wrong to say the best *college* players haven't been great or even good NBA prospects. We literally see it every year. Did anyone think Luka Garza or Drew Timme were legit NBA prospects? Well how is it that they could year after year dominate in college but suck in the NBA? College game is just that different.

[The-Power]

Why does he keep returning to school?

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

So the best player you have seen in the last 25 years has been Zach Edey?

Better than KD? Better than Melo? Better than AD? Even Michael Beasley?


Cmon man I need answers!

You already got answers. You just don't like (or can't comprehend) them.

[JustBuzzin]

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

So the best player you have seen in the last 25 years has been Zach Edey?

Better than KD? Better than Melo? Better than AD? Even Michael Beasley?


Cmon man I need answers!

College is a very different game than the NBA. Small guards and lumbering bigs dominate NCAA competition but can't translate to the NBA.

So it is absolutely not wrong to say the best *college* players haven't been great or even good NBA prospects. We literally see it every year. Did anyone think Luka Garza or Drew Timme were legit NBA prospects? Well how is it that they could year after year dominate in college but suck in the NBA? College game is just that different.

My man take a second gather your thoughts...

Now that you have gathered your thoughts and memorized the last 25 years of college basketball. Are you telling me Edey was a better college player than Melo and KD?

Just to remind you Melo played 1 season and was the best player in college as a freshman. Not only that he led his team to a Nat'l championship.

[JustBuzzin]

Someone can be a great college player without being a great NBA prospect. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

So the best player you have seen in the last 25 years has been Zach Edey?

Better than KD? Better than Melo? Better than AD? Even Michael Beasley?


Cmon man I need answers!

You already got answers. You just don't like (or can't comprehend) them.

You're right. I feel like I'm in a debate with people who never seen Melo/KD in college.

I'm trying to comprehend, but it's WILD to me that people think Edey was a better college player than those players.

[The-Power]

So the best player you have seen in the last 25 years has been Zach Edey?

Better than KD? Better than Melo? Better than AD? Even Michael Beasley?


Cmon man I need answers!

You already got answers. You just don't like (or can't comprehend) them.

You're right. I feel like I'm in a debate with people who never seen Melo/KD in college.

I'm trying to comprehend, but it's WILD to me that people think Edey was a better college player than those players.

Instead of hyperfocusing on specific comparisons (I never made them, mind you) you should try to understand the flaw in your own logic. Whether Edey is indeed the best college player over the past 25 years or not – I don't have a strong opinion on that and I honestly couldn't care less. But he sure is an elite college player no matter how you slice it. And that can be true even if he's not an elite NBA prospect as several people have now tried to explain to you.

[DOT]

Just to remind you Melo played 1 season and was the best player in college as a freshman.

If he was the best player in college, how come he didn't make 1st team All-American?

Or win any of the player of the year awards?

[JMAC3]

Is someone making the case Edey isn't a good college basketball player?

He is very clearly a great college player, I don't think there is any case that can be made that he isn't.

[EvanZ]

So the best player you have seen in the last 25 years has been Zach Edey?

Better than KD? Better than Melo? Better than AD? Even Michael Beasley?


Cmon man I need answers!

You already got answers. You just don't like (or can't comprehend) them.

You're right. I feel like I'm in a debate with people who never seen Melo/KD in college.

I'm trying to comprehend, but it's WILD to me that people think Edey was a better college player than those players.

I saw KD and Melo in college. They were obviously very "good" but Edey has been ridiculously dominant as a college player. I think it cannot be overstated how different winning in college is from winning in the NBA.

Melo is a great example, because he was a winner in college but not really ever a winner in the pros. So maybe by that measure Melo was better than Edey in college.

[JustBuzzin]

You already got answers. You just don't like (or can't comprehend) them.

You're right. I feel like I'm in a debate with people who never seen Melo/KD in college.

I'm trying to comprehend, but it's WILD to me that people think Edey was a better college player than those players.

Instead of hyperfocusing on specific comparisons (I never made them, mind you) you should try to understand the flaw in your own logic. Whether Edey is indeed the best college player over the past 25 years or not – I don't have a strong opinion on that and I honestly couldn't care less. But he sure is an elite college player no matter how you slice it. And that can be true even if he's not an elite NBA prospect as several people have now tried to explain to you.

I never said he wasn't a elite college player. I'm just not putting him ahead of those other players I have seen.

I already said if you mean the best resume in college than sure he's better. But the best player I have seen in 25 years no way Jose!

[JustBuzzin]

Just to remind you Melo played 1 season and was the best player in college as a freshman.

If he was the best player in college, how come he didn't make 1st team All-American?

Or win any of the player of the year awards?

Best player on the team that won the championship.

There is no need to explain anything else. That sentence spoke for itself.

You like ringless MVP's or do you like champions?

[JustBuzzin]

You already got answers. You just don't like (or can't comprehend) them.

You're right. I feel like I'm in a debate with people who never seen Melo/KD in college.

I'm trying to comprehend, but it's WILD to me that people think Edey was a better college player than those players.

I saw KD and Melo in college. They were obviously very "good" but Edey has been ridiculously dominant as a college player. I think it cannot be overstated how different winning in college is from winning in the NBA.

Melo is a great example, because he was a winner in college but not really ever a winner in the pros. So maybe by that measure Melo was better than Edey in college.

You are making no sense at all.

This entire debate is about the best college player. Melo was the best player on his team and led them to a championship as a Freshman.

Do you know how rare that is?

I thought basketball was about winning championships?

Seems like you value individual awards over championships.

[DOT]

Just to remind you Melo played 1 season and was the best player in college as a freshman.

If he was the best player in college, how come he didn't make 1st team All-American?

Or win any of the player of the year awards?

Best player on the team that won the championship.

There is no need to explain anything else. That sentence spoke for itself.

You like ringless MVP's or do you like champions?

Ah, I see

You're one of those people

Yeah, no need to explain anything else. It'd be like talking to a brick wall. By your logic, De'Andre Hunter was a better player in college than Zion

[JustBuzzin]

If he was the best player in college, how come he didn't make 1st team All-American?

Or win any of the player of the year awards?

Best player on the team that won the championship.

There is no need to explain anything else. That sentence spoke for itself.

You like ringless MVP's or do you like champions?

Ah, I see

You're one of those people

Yeah, no need to explain anything else. It'd be like talking to a brick wall. By your logic, De'Andre Hunter was a better player in college than Zion

I will go to sleep comfortably tonight. If you think Edey was a better college player than Melo and KD then by all means believe it. Just don't share it with anyone who knows basketball, you will get laughed at. Talk to you down the line my friend.