NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 5: So who's winning MVP? )

[Genjuro]

The 65 games threshold is going to forever work in Jokić's favor

Isn’t Bill Walton the only player to win MVP while playing under 65 games (or the equivalent in a shortened season)? Don’t think Jokic will win a 4th MVP anyways

Why cant you see him winning a 4th?

Embiids injury issues will prolly keep him out from now on

Giannis isnt the most durable himself and hes had inconsistent seasons

Luka has injury issues and hes underperformed in regular seasons. He picked it up this season tho.

Jdub and Chet will prolly hurt Sgas chances going forward w/ them both improving and being star level already or almost

Bron, Kd, Steph, Harden, Kawhi era players arent Rs Mvp players anymore

Wemby is years away from being Mvp caliber

Jayson, Ant, Hali, Brunson, Fox, Mitchell............Tatum best of bunch but hes been putting up nearly 28/8/5 the last 3 seasons on 57+ win teams just won 60............and hes an afterthought in Mvp convos

realistically whos stopping Jokic from winning more the next few years until Wemby gets there? Luka? Thats really it..........maybe Giannis but who knows.........

Part of the equation will be this year's playoffs. If the Nuggets win the title again it will be easier for the voters to keep going with Jokic.

As for possible opponents, Luka is clearly a very strong candidate, SGA just as much (the Thunder could very well have a 60+ wins season with a runaway top seed) and I'm not prepared to ignore the possibility of Wemby being at MVP level already next year given how fast he's improving. It's still a long shot, though.

[nomansland]

Isn’t Bill Walton the only player to win MVP while playing under 65 games (or the equivalent in a shortened season)? Don’t think Jokic will win a 4th MVP anyways

Why cant you see him winning a 4th?

Embiids injury issues will prolly keep him out from now on

Giannis isnt the most durable himself and hes had inconsistent seasons

Luka has injury issues and hes underperformed in regular seasons. He picked it up this season tho.

Jdub and Chet will prolly hurt Sgas chances going forward w/ them both improving and being star level already or almost

Bron, Kd, Steph, Harden, Kawhi era players arent Rs Mvp players anymore

Wemby is years away from being Mvp caliber

Jayson, Ant, Hali, Brunson, Fox, Mitchell............Tatum best of bunch but hes been putting up nearly 28/8/5 the last 3 seasons on 57+ win teams just won 60............and hes an afterthought in Mvp convos

realistically whos stopping Jokic from winning more the next few years until Wemby gets there? Luka? Thats really it..........maybe Giannis but who knows.........

Part of the equation will be this year's playoffs. If the Nuggets win the title again it will be easier for the voters to keep going with Jokic.

As for possible opponents, Luka is clearly a very strong candidate, SGA just as much (the Thunder could very well have a 60+ wins season with a runaway top seed) and I'm not prepared to ignore the possibility of Wemby being at MVP level already next year given how fast he's improving. It's still a long shot, though.

I think if he wins this year, he's not going to win another one, at least for a few more years. The voters will want to give it to someone else no matter how well Jokic plays.

[Exp0sed]

The 65 games threshold is going to forever work in Jokić's favor

Isn’t Bill Walton the only player to win MVP while playing under 65 games (or the equivalent in a shortened season)? Don’t think Jokic will win a 4th MVP anyways

Why cant you see him winning a 4th?

Embiids injury issues will prolly keep him out from now on

Giannis isnt the most durable himself and hes had inconsistent seasons

Luka has injury issues and hes underperformed in regular seasons. He picked it up this season tho.

Jdub and Chet will prolly hurt Sgas chances going forward w/ them both improving and being star level already or almost

Bron, Kd, Steph, Harden, Kawhi era players arent Rs Mvp players anymore

Wemby is years away from being Mvp caliber

Jayson, Ant, Hali, Brunson, Fox, Mitchell............Tatum best of bunch but hes been putting up nearly 28/8/5 the last 3 seasons on 57+ win teams just won 60............and hes an afterthought in Mvp convos

realistically whos stopping Jokic from winning more the next few years until Wemby gets there? Luka? Thats really it..........maybe Giannis but who knows.........

your post is pretty accurate apart from the Wemby part as it's not going to to take him a few years to get there

Wemby is a 20 year old rookie, since being moved to Center and the end of the Sochan as PG experiment, he's been unreal
IF the Spurs get a guy like Trae and a few extra pieces - Wemby is going to be a strong MVP candidate

it's not gonna take a few years..they are two good players away from Wemby's first MVP.
obviously it'll take growth from him as well but that's extremely likely to happen, I mean just look at the career trajectory of other superstar teenage rookies haha, especially smart and hard working ones like Wemby

he started this season as a 19 year old rookie from France who only visited the states once or twice before being drafted
he is going to take the next step next season and it will be a leap (provided he'll stay healthy)

for MVP he'd need team results as well but that shouldn't be too hard coming off a 20 wins season
Spurs have had a top 5 defense with Rookie Wemby on the floor and it looks even better since being moved to C

if the Spurs bring in Trae and get a another good vet or two this Spurs team will win 48-50 games next season and Wemby will have a good shot as early as next season

they have been rebuilding enough, Pop is old and the fans are hungry. plus they know they have the future GOAT, they're not gonna be "patient"

might take the Spurs and Wemby another season, so maybe he'll finish like 5th in MVP next season and be MVP the next but it's just a matter of time now and it ain't gonna take "a few years", it's two at the max and imo just one

[Exp0sed]

Part of the equation will be this year's playoffs. If the Nuggets win the title again it will be easier for the voters to keep going with Jokic.

As for possible opponents, Luka is clearly a very strong candidate, SGA just as much (the Thunder could very well have a 60+ wins season with a runaway top seed) and I'm not prepared to ignore the possibility of Wemby being at MVP level already next year given how fast he's improving. It's still a long shot, though.

I think if he wins this year, he's not going to win another one, at least for a few more years. The voters will want to give it to someone else no matter how well Jokic plays.

yeah, I think it's very unlikely the Nuggets repeat but if that happens there will be zero qualms giving him his 4th, if he'll deserve it next season

in reality, where they won't repeat - voter fatigue will be very real next season and media\voters would literally be looking for any excuse not to give it to him

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

1-7 w/o Dame now just lost B2b to Wizards and Grizzlies..........Giannis got smacked up by Jaren Jackson too

Shot 41% from 3 compared to 30% from Memphis and won the 3pt battle 18-7 in makes..............and still lost

Just piss on me some more while I'm down. Yeah, I was not arguing your overall point, just that you called it out after a wizard game in which he looked pretty damn good. Luckily, I had lasic yesterday so literally was medically advised not to watch that abomination of a game so I have no fan-boy excuses for Giannis.

[Special_Puppy]

Average MVP Odds according to betting markets with vig removed
Jokic 91%
Luka 6%
SGA 4%

[Jamaaliver]

[Jadoogar]

Top 3 probably ends being - Jokic, Luka, SGA
Bucks meh record (relative to expectations), in addition to these recent loses to bad teams, probably pushes Giannis to #4 or 5
Recency bias (Mavs heating up and SGA missing games), probably puts Luka at #2 as of now.

[AleksandarN]

Looks like Gil is following his buddy Jennings.

Read on Twitter

[Woodsanity]

Looks like Gil is following his buddy Jennings.

Read on Twitter

I don't think anyone should take Gil seriously. Guy was never very bright or a good decision maker.

[Duke4life831]

Looks like Gil is following his buddy Jennings.

Read on Twitter

I just chalk up these kinds of trashes as just guys desperate for their takes to go viral.

[Wolfgang630]

Gilbert Arenas does it for attention and money. He literally confirmed this before. He said during the offseason there’s not much nba news and he’ll say wild things to get the media attention.

When will folks learn some of these guys aren’t stupid or really mean what they say.

[Repeat 3-peat]

NBA fans really need to stop giving people like Gilbert Arenas limelight. NBA discourse is garbage, especially compared to other sports. So give them less clicks, and they'll go away or stop spewing ridiculous BS.

[GeorgeSears]

NBA fans really need to stop giving people like Gilbert Arenas limelight. NBA discourse is garbage, especially compared to other sports. So give them less clicks, and they'll go away or stop spewing ridiculous BS.

Completely agree.

I don't know what it is about the NBA that lends itself to these characters. Even NBA Twitter has become poisonous.

[Cubbies2120]

NBA fans really need to stop giving people like Gilbert Arenas limelight. NBA discourse is garbage, especially compared to other sports. So give them less clicks, and they'll go away or stop spewing ridiculous BS.

Completely agree.

I don't know what it is about the NBA that lends itself to these characters. Even NBA Twitter has become poisonous.

Idk about you all but I value Gilbert Arenas opinion much more than bums like Larry Bird, who know nothing about winning basketball and MVP level play.

[One Last Shot]

Seems like Luka already give up on his chance winning the MVP with only 25 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and +21 by the end of 3rd quarter. Tough luck for him, he played in Jokic's era. but anyone who averaged 33.9 ppg, 9.8 apg, 9.2 rpg, 1.5 spg in 61.8 TS% leading Mavericks to 50 wins while playing with hundreds of different starting line-ups should win MVP in most seasons. DRose won in 2011 averaging 25/7.7/4.1 in 55 TS%. Better luck next season Luka, go for the championship instead. Congrats Nikola Jokic!

[Handlez]

Jokic loses.

Luka wins.

Uh oh...

Luka's coming.

[_NoMas]

Jokic loses.

Luka wins.

Uh oh...

Luka's coming.

It’s the hope that kills buddy… let it go

[dygaction]

Jokic loses.

Luka wins.

Uh oh...

Luka's coming.

Could have been a thing if Mavs had defeated Warriors and Wemby had brought a win over Nuggets last game... Like someone states, Jokic can rest the rest and still take the trophy.

[Mavrelous]

36/17/10 and +12 in a 2point loss, the definition of an MVP...