2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3

[WuTang_CMB]

If TOR gets 1, they take Sarr. Been hot/cold on him but I think we need an athletic big. Darko can work with him to be a JJJ type of player. Poeltl can stay on but I think eventually they move him maybe in 1-2 yrs and try and recoup something back.

At 6, if we stay there, probably holland or Castle if they are there.

IMO if we keep our pick, I think 17 or 31 gets traded

[OakleyDokely]

I like one of the Kentucky guards at 6. Statistically they've been very good, especially given that they're freshman players. Both have low bust potential, but still possess a good deal of upside. And there's no more of a sure thing in the NBA than a Kentucky guard.

[Bruin]

Watched more tape of Stephon Castle and I really like him. If he improves his shot (I think he can since the form isn’t broken), I can see a Donovan Mitchell type on offense with elite defense. I think he’s gonna be a stud

[Mark_83]

Semi-realistic dream draft for me:

6) Castle / Holland
17) Da Silva / Ware
31) Sears / Sallis

Barnes - Da Silva
Holland - Agbaji
Poeltl - Olynyk
Barrett - Dick
Quickley - Sears

[RoteSchroder]

I'm curious what limitations you see with da Silva's game. I don't expect him to become a star, and maybe that's what you mean when you talk about "major limitations on his upside", but I see a guy with very few weaknesses in his game.

In my opinion, there's nothing glaring that needs to be improved for him to become an NBA player. The only real "limitations" I see are his age (he'll be 23 when the season begins, but that's perfectly fine), and the fact that he's not an incredibly explosive creator - but you're not getting that with anyone else at the Pacers pick anyway.

I think Tristan is definitely an NBA player, but his age, lack of self-creation, speed and athleticism limits his upside. I'm not opposed to him at 17, but I think Karaban is just as good (slightly less skilled as a passer, not quite as good as a ballhandler, but a better shooter) and should be available at 31

I think da Silva's athleticism is being undersold a bit here. He's definitely faster and more athletic than Karaban is, in addition to being slightly taller and longer. I don't think Karaban is nearly as good. But even if he were only slightly worse, I'm not sure why we would opt for a lesser player, just to keep the powder dry with a high draft pick to take another player who also won't be a major creator.

No one is Kyrie Irving in this draft. I'm not sure who'd we be looking at with the Pacers pick who people think is going to have an advanced self-creation game at the NBA level. It's part of the reason that people have been down on this draft class. There are probably about 5 players in the draft that are excellent creators, and they all come with other big weaknesses or question marks (Topic and his shooting, Dillingham and his defence, etc.). And none of those guys would be available at the Pacers pick anyway.

On defense, I don't think he projects to be a high level defender. Not strong enough for PF and wings can get by him fairly easily on D, although I think he does a good job at sticking to his opponent.

On offense, his bread and butter is a catch and shoot player, cutter and a connector as a passer. Finishing ability near the paint will be bothered by length.

In terms of drafting him, I think the question is if we really want/need another 7th or 8th man? It seems like we got plenty of those now. Strategically, we can collect role players as assets for a future trade, but it may also be better to swing for upside or for players with stand out skills (specialists) who are well above average at certain aspects of the game.

Mocks are all over the place, but Filipowski, Devin Carter, Ware, Collier, Ja'Kobe, McCain are players that are available at the Indiana spot in various mocks. I don't even like McCain that much for example, but how many players on our roster have a diverse scoring package with guard-like abilities? And I don't think a Da Silva type player is that hard to obtain in this league.

[gerrit4]

If TOR gets 1, they take Sarr. Been hot/cold on him but I think we need an athletic big. Darko can work with him to be a JJJ type of player. Poeltl can stay on but I think eventually they move him maybe in 1-2 yrs and try and recoup something back.

At 6, if we stay there, probably holland or Castle if they are there.

IMO if we keep our pick, I think 17 or 31 gets traded

Totally. I think they move 17 if we stay in the top 6.

[OakleyDokely]

Castle at 26% from 3 and 76% from the line doesn't give me hope than he can become a legit shooter who demands attention from the defense. He might become passable and he'll probably be able to hit open shots, but usually great shooters are pretty legit early in their careers. I'm not sure I want to take more non shooters and hope they eventually develop that skill that high in the draft, unless they have a special, unique skillset like Scottie.

[aminiaturebuddha]

I think Tristan is definitely an NBA player, but his age, lack of self-creation, speed and athleticism limits his upside. I'm not opposed to him at 17, but I think Karaban is just as good (slightly less skilled as a passer, not quite as good as a ballhandler, but a better shooter) and should be available at 31

I think da Silva's athleticism is being undersold a bit here. He's definitely faster and more athletic than Karaban is, in addition to being slightly taller and longer. I don't think Karaban is nearly as good. But even if he were only slightly worse, I'm not sure why we would opt for a lesser player, just to keep the powder dry with a high draft pick to take another player who also won't be a major creator.

No one is Kyrie Irving in this draft. I'm not sure who'd we be looking at with the Pacers pick who people think is going to have an advanced self-creation game at the NBA level. It's part of the reason that people have been down on this draft class. There are probably about 5 players in the draft that are excellent creators, and they all come with other big weaknesses or question marks (Topic and his shooting, Dillingham and his defence, etc.). And none of those guys would be available at the Pacers pick anyway.

On defense, I don't think he projects to be a high level defender. Not strong enough for PF and wings can get by him fairly easily on D, although I think he does a good job at sticking to his opponent.

On offense, his bread and butter is a catch and shoot player, cutter and a connector as a passer. Finishing ability near the paint will be bothered by length.

In terms of drafting him, I think the question is if we really want/need another 7th or 8th man? It seems like we got plenty of those now. Strategically, we can collect role players as assets for a future trade, but it may also be better to swing for upside or for players with stand out skills (specialists) who are well above average at certain aspects of the game.

Mocks are all over the place, but Filipowski, Devin Carter, Ware, Collier, Ja'Kobe, McCain are players that are available at the Indiana spot in various mocks. I don't even like McCain that much for example, but how many players on our roster have a diverse scoring package with guard-like abilities? And I don't think a Da Silva type player is that hard to obtain in this league.

I agree that he probably won't be a high level defender, but I'm fairly confident that he'll be at least average, and probably end up being slightly above average. I also haven't seen any indication that he's going to have trouble finishing near the paint against bigger defenders, at least no more than any other forward. He's had good games where he's finished inside against bigger defenders in the Pac-12.

I think there's definitely a world where Da Silva could end up as a starter in a 4th or 5th option role on a good team, someone who hit shots when he needs to and does all the little connector things well.

As for the list of players you mentioned, I doubt Ja'Kobe and Filipowski will be available at the Pacers pick. And I'm still not sure that I see any of the others as more valuable than someone like da Silva. I think it's actually easier to find guard scorers like McCain than it is to find 6-9 shooters that aren't totaly stiffs in other aspects of the game in the league.

And some of the other players you mentioned just highlight what makes this draft so tough to figure out. A few of them might have more upside to their games, but almost all come with significant weaknesses that could affect their long term value if they don't figure those things out. I love Ware's talent, but he has motor and feel issues. Collier is another guy in the draft whose stock will decline significantly if he doesn't develop a good shot.

I definitely see your points, but I guess we'll agree to disagree on da Silva. It's such a tough draft to figure out that some of it will come down to draft strategy. To be honest, given the kind of draft this is, I actually wouldn't be at all disappointed with a solid rotation piece 7th man at the Pacers pick. But maybe that's why I'm higher on a higher floor-lower ceiling guy like da Silva.

[Bruin]

At 31 I’m thinking Jaylon Tyson or Adem Bona. Tyson already declared and Bona will declare this week

I like Tyson’s scoring capabilities and Adem needs control his fouls but his footwork has improved quite a bit. I think Adem does well in workouts and the combine and gets himself into discussion for a pick in the 20s

[manjusaka]

I like one of the Kentucky guards at 6. Statistically they've been very good, especially given that they're freshman players. Both have low bust potential, but still possess a good deal of upside. And there's no more of a sure thing in the NBA than a Kentucky guard.

Both Sheppard and Dillingham probably can only defend 1 in the nba due to their size and athleticism. That will create a situation similar to the Brunson/IQ that Knicks had, if we do draft one of them.

IQ, Sheppard and Dillingham, I think IQ has the highest upside and floor. So, I would avoid both Kentucky guard since we already have a better one.

[OakleyDokely]

I like one of the Kentucky guards at 6. Statistically they've been very good, especially given that they're freshman players. Both have low bust potential, but still possess a good deal of upside. And there's no more of a sure thing in the NBA than a Kentucky guard.

Both Sheppard and Dillingham probably can only defend 1 in the nba due to their size and athleticism. That will create a situation similar to the Brunson/IQ that Knicks had, if we do draft one of them.

IQ, Sheppard and Dillingham, I think IQ has the highest upside and floor. So, I would avoid both Kentucky guard since we already have a better one.

I'm going with talent over fit this high in the draft. There's enough minutes, especially early into their careers, that you don't need to play both together for long stretches.

This draft is so subpar at the top that I just want a good NBA player regardless of position.

[DreamTeam09]

Semi-realistic dream draft for me:

6) Castle / Holland
17) Da Silva / Ware
31) Sears / Sallis

Barnes - Da Silva
Holland - Agbaji
Poeltl - Olynyk
Barrett - Dick
Quickley - Sears

U like castle n Holland over Cody Williams ? Or you think he won't be there ?

[God Squad]

I don't get the Salaun hype. What's the draw behind him?

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Nothing IMO. I don't get it either. I don't even think the kid even knows how to play basketball right now, and I'm usually a fan of the "High" ceiling type.

Poor athlete
Tries to block everything, but gets little blocks
Bad footwork
overrated shooter/poor shooter. Here's his shot chart this season.

I could be wrong, but I don't see it.

[manjusaka]

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In terms of drafting him, I think the question is if we really want/need another 7th or 8th man? It seems like we got plenty of those now.

Remember people were saying this draft is weak? If we can get a 7th or 8th man who can have a long career in the league with the Pacers pick, it is a success.

[manjusaka]

I like one of the Kentucky guards at 6. Statistically they've been very good, especially given that they're freshman players. Both have low bust potential, but still possess a good deal of upside. And there's no more of a sure thing in the NBA than a Kentucky guard.

Both Sheppard and Dillingham probably can only defend 1 in the nba due to their size and athleticism. That will create a situation similar to the Brunson/IQ that Knicks had, if we do draft one of them.

IQ, Sheppard and Dillingham, I think IQ has the highest upside and floor. So, I would avoid both Kentucky guard since we already have a better one.

I'm going with talent over fit this high in the draft. There's enough minutes, especially early into their careers, that you don't need to play both together for long stretches.

This draft is so subpar at the top that I just want a good NBA player regardless of position.

That is the thing, I don’t feel Sheppard and Dillingham is that much better talent than Holland or Clingan.

[OakleyDokely]

Both Sheppard and Dillingham probably can only defend 1 in the nba due to their size and athleticism. That will create a situation similar to the Brunson/IQ that Knicks had, if we do draft one of them.

IQ, Sheppard and Dillingham, I think IQ has the highest upside and floor. So, I would avoid both Kentucky guard since we already have a better one.

I'm going with talent over fit this high in the draft. There's enough minutes, especially early into their careers, that you don't need to play both together for long stretches.

This draft is so subpar at the top that I just want a good NBA player regardless of position.

That is the thing, I don’t feel Sheppard and Dillingham is that much better talent than Holland or Clingan.

Sheppard/Dillingham have skills that translate to the NBA right away. Players that rate out that well statistically as freshman rarely fail.

[Bruin]

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[billy_hoyle]

I'm going with talent over fit this high in the draft. There's enough minutes, especially early into their careers, that you don't need to play both together for long stretches.

This draft is so subpar at the top that I just want a good NBA player regardless of position.

That is the thing, I don’t feel Sheppard and Dillingham is that much better talent than Holland or Clingan.

Sheppard/Dillingham have skills that translate to the NBA right away. Players that rate out that well statistically as freshman rarely fail.

I forget, and don't know how to quickly look it up, but didn't Clingan also have a good statistical season last year as a freshman. The g-league numbers are difficult to compare for Holland, but he did put up mumbers. So, really couldn't you say that about all 4 players?

[Mark_83]

Semi-realistic dream draft for me:

6) Castle / Holland
17) Da Silva / Ware
31) Sears / Sallis

Barnes - Da Silva
Holland - Agbaji
Poeltl - Olynyk
Barrett - Dick
Quickley - Sears

U like castle n Holland over Cody Williams ? Or you think he won't be there ?

I have more concerns about Williams, but if both those guys are gone he's in consideration.