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Re: 2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3 

Post#221 » by Psubs » Tue Apr 9, 2024 1:51 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Teams that have played at the slowest pace this season:

1. NYK
2. CHI
3. MIA
4. ORL
5. DEN
6. CLE
7. BRK
8. LAC
9. CHA
10. MIN
19. TOR


I can see the Knicks using a pick in the 20's to take Clingan as they use C's in the dunkers spot. Cheap replacement of FA Hartenstein since they have to pay OG like $40 million.
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Post#222 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Apr 9, 2024 1:51 pm

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That's a good point, another is that the NBA is a trend league, and eventually a new trend emerges. Right now, outside shooting is godly, but a good post scorer can get a higher percentage, and if it's high enough, it forces a change in approach. He's a young senior and if he adds almost anything to his game, he and other 7-footers will force team management to adjust their thinking about interior size and how to draft, trade, sign FAs. He's a good gamble with the Indiana pick, and Kelly - who can't defend a chair inside - could play with him as a stretch 4 off the bench. One other thing about Edey - he's cut out for FIBA play, no three-second rule, batting ball sitting on rim allowed, and the three point distance is shorter so he has less ground to cover out to the three-point line. All good for Team Canada.

And one more thing. In college, because he was carrying Purdue and the NCAA game only allow one five fouls, he couldn't afford to foul opponents like he would be able to do as a bench player in the NBA. Purdue couldn't;t afford him being in foul trouble. He will not have that issue when is drafted. I expect his D will be even more intimidating. The team that drafts him will encourage hard fouls.

He won’t be able to foul anybody if he can’t move fast enough to touch them.


Rubbish, you don't have to be Andre DeGrasse to belt somebody going up for a layup.

NBA players are gonna run circles around the guy.
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Post#223 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 9, 2024 1:58 pm

As a drop big, Edey won't need to coverage much ground defensively. He will probably be used like MIL uses Lopez or LAC use Zubac.

If the opposing team goes small, ya, he's going to have issues, but most bigs who aren't star level bigs get pulled for more mobile options as well.

He would struggle keeping up with teams that like to play fast, but otherwise, I think he's mobile enough to keep up with the pace most teams play at.
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Post#224 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:00 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:As a drop big, Edey won't need to coverage much ground defensively. He will probably be used like MIL uses Lopez or LAC use Zubac.

If the opposing team goes small, ya, he's going to have issues, but most bigs who aren't star level bigs get pulled for more mobile options as well.

He would struggle keeping up with teams that like to play fast, but otherwise, I think he's mobile enough to keep up with the pace most teams play at.

It would be more accurate to say he’ll be used like how other teams use Boban because that’s the level of athlete he is.
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Post#225 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:01 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:As a drop big, Edey won't need to coverage much ground defensively. He will probably be used like MIL uses Lopez or LAC use Zubac.

If the opposing team goes small, ya, he's going to have issues, but most bigs who aren't star level bigs get pulled for more mobile options as well.

He would struggle keeping up with teams that like to play fast, but otherwise, I think he's mobile enough to keep up with the pace most teams play at.

It would be more accurate to say he’ll be used like how other teams use Boban because that’s the level of athlete he is.


I think he's more mobile/versatile/skilled than Boban.
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Post#226 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:07 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:As a drop big, Edey won't need to coverage much ground defensively. He will probably be used like MIL uses Lopez or LAC use Zubac.

If the opposing team goes small, ya, he's going to have issues, but most bigs who aren't star level bigs get pulled for more mobile options as well.

He would struggle keeping up with teams that like to play fast, but otherwise, I think he's mobile enough to keep up with the pace most teams play at.

It would be more accurate to say he’ll be used like how other teams use Boban because that’s the level of athlete he is.


I think he's more mobile/versatile/skilled than Boban.

If he is (and I’m not convinced of that at all), it’s not by much.
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Post#227 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:08 pm

Edey competed in the draft workout last year.

His 3 quarter sprint time wasn't far off from many guards. He actually did it it faster than Gradey and he was close to Sasser.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=THREE_QUARTER_SPRINT

People are underselling his mobility because he moves a little awkwardly.
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Post#228 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:13 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Edey competed in the draft workout last year.

His 3 quarter sprint time wasn't far off from many guards. He actually did it it faster than Gradey and he was close to Sasser.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=THREE_QUARTER_SPRINT

People are underselling his mobility because he moves a little awkwardly.

What does his sprint speed have to do with his consistent inability to guard PnRs in game action?
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Post#229 » by Psubs » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:17 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Edey competed in the draft workout last year.

His 3 quarter sprint time wasn't far off from many guards. He actually did it it faster than Gradey and he was close to Sasser.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=THREE_QUARTER_SPRINT

People are underselling his mobility because he moves a little awkwardly.

What does his sprint speed have to do with his consistent inability to guard PnRs in game action?


The shuttle run would test the lateral quickness better.

3/4 court once Edey gets going he has big strides, thus not "far off", but really he'd still get beat down the court.
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Post#230 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:41 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Edey competed in the draft workout last year.

His 3 quarter sprint time wasn't far off from many guards. He actually did it it faster than Gradey and he was close to Sasser.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=THREE_QUARTER_SPRINT

People are underselling his mobility because he moves a little awkwardly.

What does his sprint speed have to do with his consistent inability to guard PnRs in game action?
There are a lot of useful bigs who don't guard the pnR effectively yet still carve out useful roles.
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Post#231 » by aminiaturebuddha » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:43 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Edey competed in the draft workout last year.

His 3 quarter sprint time wasn't far off from many guards. He actually did it it faster than Gradey and he was close to Sasser.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=THREE_QUARTER_SPRINT

People are underselling his mobility because he moves a little awkwardly.

What does his sprint speed have to do with his consistent inability to guard PnRs in game action?


The shuttle run would test the lateral quickness better.

3/4 court once Edey gets going he has big strides, thus not "far off", but really he'd still get beat down the court.


If you look at the link, they've also got a "lane agility" test. Now of course we should take some of these test results with a grain of salt, and they don't tell the whole story, but it's interesting to see that Edey tested out better than someone like Trayce Jackson-Davis who is doing well lately playing next to Draymond Green.

And I think that's the lesson. Edey will probably be fine if a team can pair him with a roving defensive forward. I'm not convinced he's a lottery pick, but I think he's absolutely worth a shot in the 20-30 range.
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Post#232 » by LarSiN » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:50 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Teams that have played at the slowest pace this season:

1. NYK
2. CHI
3. MIA
4. ORL
5. DEN
6. CLE
7. BRK
8. LAC
9. CHA
10. MIN
19. TOR


I can see the Knicks using a pick in the 20's to take Clingan as they use C's in the dunkers spot. Cheap replacement of FA Hartenstein since they have to pay OG like $40 million.


20's? Some mocks have him Top 5
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Post#233 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:55 pm

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Randle McMurphy wrote:What does his sprint speed have to do with his consistent inability to guard PnRs in game action?


The shuttle run would test the lateral quickness better.

3/4 court once Edey gets going he has big strides, thus not "far off", but really he'd still get beat down the court.


If you look at the link, they've also got a "lane agility" test. Now of course we should take some of these test results with a grain of salt, and they don't tell the whole story, but it's interesting to see that Edey tested out better than someone like Trayce Jackson-Davis who is doing well lately playing next to Draymond Green.

And I think that's the lesson. Edey will probably be fine if a team can pair him with a roving defensive forward. I'm not convinced he's a lottery pick, but I think he's absolutely worth a shot in the 20-30 range.
Mil with Giannis and the Raptors with Barnes could make Edey work defensively.
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Post#234 » by And1Skip » Tue Apr 9, 2024 2:56 pm

I understand the lack of footspeed and stuff, but the one thing that still makes me confident that Edey will have a good NBA career is what is between his ears. He's not just some circus show giant on a team. He was clearly his team's best player and leader on and off the court. Following him prior to this season I always thought he was a quiet kid but this final 4 run has showed me a lot about his composure and compete level. He'll figure it out and get better, and eventually be better positionally like Marc Gasol did (and I think Edey is faster laterally than Marc was)
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Post#235 » by mtcan » Tue Apr 9, 2024 3:05 pm

Watching Edey in March Madness and he isn't slow and lumbering. He is 300 lbs but he isn't out of shape.

I see him moving well when he sets a high pick and proceeds to well to the basket.

He is by no means slow.

And I have faith that he can start shooting more from distance. I doubt he will shoot as well as KAT but he will probably be as good as JV.

He is athletic for a guy his size. He has played hockey and baseball since the age of 6 and being a multi-sport athlete bodes well for him further developing his game as a pro.
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Post#236 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Apr 9, 2024 3:16 pm

And1Skip wrote:I understand the lack of footspeed and stuff, but the one thing that still makes me confident that Edey will have a good NBA career is what is between his ears. He's not just some circus show giant on a team. He was clearly his team's best player and leader on and off the court. Following him prior to this season I always thought he was a quiet kid but this final 4 run has showed me a lot about his composure and compete level. He'll figure it out and get better, and eventually be better positionally like Marc Gasol did (and I think Edey is faster laterally than Marc was)

Better positionally than a NBA DPOY when he can’t even defend screens against college kids. Good luck with that one.
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Post#237 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Apr 9, 2024 3:17 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
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OakleyDokely wrote:Edey competed in the draft workout last year.

His 3 quarter sprint time wasn't far off from many guards. He actually did it it faster than Gradey and he was close to Sasser.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility?dir=A&sort=THREE_QUARTER_SPRINT

People are underselling his mobility because he moves a little awkwardly.

What does his sprint speed have to do with his consistent inability to guard PnRs in game action?
There are a lot of useful bigs who don't guard the pnR effectively yet still carve out useful roles.

Yes, like Boban.
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Post#238 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Apr 9, 2024 3:19 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
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Randle McMurphy wrote:What does his sprint speed have to do with his consistent inability to guard PnRs in game action?
There are a lot of useful bigs who don't guard the pnR effectively yet still carve out useful roles.

Yes, like Boban.


The list is a lot longer than Boban.

Boban is only comparable in terms of size. Boban wasn't skilled enough to be a NBA player. That's why he barely got of the bench.
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Post#240 » by PushDaRock » Tue Apr 9, 2024 3:26 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
And1Skip wrote:I understand the lack of footspeed and stuff, but the one thing that still makes me confident that Edey will have a good NBA career is what is between his ears. He's not just some circus show giant on a team. He was clearly his team's best player and leader on and off the court. Following him prior to this season I always thought he was a quiet kid but this final 4 run has showed me a lot about his composure and compete level. He'll figure it out and get better, and eventually be better positionally like Marc Gasol did (and I think Edey is faster laterally than Marc was)

Better positionally than a NBA DPOY when he can’t even defend screens against college kids. Good luck with that one.


He's not saying he'll become a better defender than Gasol, he's saying he can improve his positioning to where he can become a better defender the way Gasol does.

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