Steve Nash really should have won multiple championships.

[Yoshun]

These threads are always amusing to read for those of us whom had the privilege of watching these guys play.

[Bank Shot]

Sorry what year should they have won besides 2007 when they got Donaghy'd.

[Roger Murdock]

He couldn’t defend Tony Parker and was a defensive liability overall. In none of his most important playoff series was he the best player on the court.

On top of that the Suns lit resources on fire to save money, selling valuable draft picks for petty cash so the team had less room for error.

I think he spent about 6-7 years on title caliber teams yet failed to make the finals.

2003 - would have beaten the Nets but lost in WCF to Spurs, had a mediocre series

2005 - lost to spurs, would have been favored vs Pistons

2006 - lost to Mavericks, may have been favored vs Heat. Struggled in series.

2007 - lost to Spurs in semis, would have be huge favorites vs Jazz and Cavs to win it all

2010 - lost to Lakers in WCF, would have been a toss up series vs Magic

That’s several years as strong contenders. He never had that ‘put the team in my back and carry’ series that title teams have

Absolutely zero context given to the series like injuries...suspensions...expectations... zero. Thats a dishonest and disingenuous breakdown of the year by year.

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Suspensions is disengious

Spurs won 3-2 that series w/o suspension and all suns fans retroactively pretend they automatically win the other 2 games w/o the suspensions even though the Spurs were beating their ass every year

[jkvonny]

he's just another in a long line of great Hall of Fame players that never quite had the team that could get it done because there just happened to be better teams in their way. I don't think there was a single season where they "should have won" a single championship let alone multiple. This isn't like Lebron losing to the Mavs.

There's one team I can think of that should have won a championship that didn't and that's my Kings who were the best team that 2002 season, led the league in wins and were even better than the Shaq/Kobe dynasty Lakers. That was such a well-constructed team with amazing chemistry that imo could hang with any of the all-time great teams in NBA history. But unfortunately it was rigged and we were robbed. I'm not bitter

Dont forget the very next season, 2003, as well.

Then Webber blew out his knee in the 2nd round of the playoffs vs the Mavs. Lost in 7 games.

Kings were even better that season and more experienced.

[NZB2323]

I have Nash on the same tier as Stockton, Kidd, Payton, and CP3.

Kidd and Payton won titles as role players later in their careers, but none of them won a title in their prime.

Nash is the best offensive player out of the bunch but the worst defensive player.

Nash was an MVP. Stockton wasn't sniffing that rarefied air.

Nash and CP3 are comparable certainly. The others not so much (though I'd have Stockton last of the bunch).

Stockton has longevity, defensive, and advanced stats over Nash.

Stockton is definitely above Mavs Nash and Lakers Nash but I guess you could argue Suns Nash peaked higher than Stockton ever did.

Kidd finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2002.

[One_and_Done]

I have Nash on the same tier as Stockton, Kidd, Payton, and CP3.

Kidd and Payton won titles as role players later in their careers, but none of them won a title in their prime.

Nash is the best offensive player out of the bunch but the worst defensive player.

Nash was an MVP. Stockton wasn't sniffing that rarefied air.

Nash and CP3 are comparable certainly. The others not so much (though I'd have Stockton last of the bunch).

Stockton has longevity, defensive, and advanced stats over Nash.

Stockton is definitely above Mavs Nash and Lakers Nash but I guess you could argue Suns Nash peaked higher than Stockton ever did.

Kidd finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2002.

I've been over this extensively before, notably on the top 100 project. Stockton's D is at the least important position, his longevity is meaningless when compared to a auperior playet who has decent longevity, and his advanced stats I could care less about.

Kidd has a 2nd in MVP. Nash won it twice, and was close to winning it three times in a row.

[Hitachi77]

Also, I am tired of people whining about the suspensions in 2007 being the reason they lost. They lost Diaw/Amare for 1 game. They were back for Game 6 and still couldn't get it done to force Game 7. If they were really a better team than SA, they would have won Game 6. Horry was still out for SA in Game 6 and at that time he was still a key playoff contributor on both sides.

If this was a true championship level team they would have forced a Game 7. But they couldn't even do that. Enough with the excuses

Nonsense. Horry was a scrub by 2007. Your argument that they absolutely should have won game 6 in SA makes no sense. They were playing a team they were slightly better then, and the suspensions in a pivotal game 5 was enough to swing it the other way.

[Hitachi77]

He couldn’t defend Tony Parker and was a defensive liability overall. In none of his most important playoff series was he the best player on the court.

On top of that the Suns lit resources on fire to save money, selling valuable draft picks for petty cash so the team had less room for error.

I think he spent about 6-7 years on title caliber teams yet failed to make the finals.

2003 - would have beaten the Nets but lost in WCF to Spurs, had a mediocre series

2005 - lost to spurs, would have been favored vs Pistons

2006 - lost to Mavericks, may have been favored vs Heat. Struggled in series.

2007 - lost to Spurs in semis, would have be huge favorites vs Jazz and Cavs to win it all

2010 - lost to Lakers in WCF, would have been a toss up series vs Magic

That’s several years as strong contenders. He never had that ‘put the team in my back and carry’ series that title teams have

Absolutely zero context given to the series like injuries...suspensions...expectations... zero. Thats a dishonest and disingenuous breakdown of the year by year.

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Suspensions is disengious

Spurs won 3-2 that series w/o suspension and all suns fans retroactively pretend they automatically win the other 2 games w/o the suspensions even though the Spurs were beating their ass every year

Actually, the one time the Nash Suns faced the Spurs and were fully healthy, they swept the **** out of the fully healthy Duncan Spurs.

And no, the Spurs weren’t “beating their ass” in 07 either. Even game 1 Nash had to miss the end of it when his nose was broken. Then you have game 3 which even Donaghy himself admits was rigged.

[Accurim]

we need a poll so we can clearly see no one agrees with thread title.

nash and the suns were studs. especiallly on offense. but just not as good as duncan and the spurs.

[Calvin Klein]

There is not a player I miss watching more than Nash. Incredible teammate who made the whole team play better. No ego, just winning team ball.

[One_and_Done]

Absolutely zero context given to the series like injuries...suspensions...expectations... zero. Thats a dishonest and disingenuous breakdown of the year by year.

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Suspensions is disengious

Spurs won 3-2 that series w/o suspension and all suns fans retroactively pretend they automatically win the other 2 games w/o the suspensions even though the Spurs were beating their ass every year

Actually, the one time the Nash Suns faced the Spurs and were fully healthy, they swept the **** out of the fully healthy Duncan Spurs.

And no, the Spurs weren’t “beating their ass” in 07 either. Even game 1 Nash had to miss the end of it when his nose was broken. Then you have game 3 which even Donaghy himself admits was rigged.

Lol. Duncan's prime was 98 to 07. The Suns swept the Spurs in 2010, which was the nadir of Duncan's career basically. It was after his prime, but before he dropped weight in 2012. Duncan in 12-14 was actually better than he was in 2010 as a result.

[Statlanta]

Stoudemire was too injury prone and Johnson/Marion should have never been traded.

They probably wouldn't have won the year of the Horry hip check/suspensions but they should have after then.

[Hitachi77]

Suspensions is disengious

Spurs won 3-2 that series w/o suspension and all suns fans retroactively pretend they automatically win the other 2 games w/o the suspensions even though the Spurs were beating their ass every year

Actually, the one time the Nash Suns faced the Spurs and were fully healthy, they swept the **** out of the fully healthy Duncan Spurs.

And no, the Spurs weren’t “beating their ass” in 07 either. Even game 1 Nash had to miss the end of it when his nose was broken. Then you have game 3 which even Donaghy himself admits was rigged.

Lol. Duncan's prime was 98 to 07. The Suns swept the Spurs in 2010, which was the nadir of Duncan's career basically. It was after his prime, but before he dropped weight in 2012. Duncan in 12-14 was actually better than he was in 2010 as a result.

Not sure I completely agree with that.

HOWEVER I will grant you it as long as you acknowledge the huge misfortune the Suns had in ‘07. My bad if you have already done that.

[One_and_Done]

Actually, the one time the Nash Suns faced the Spurs and were fully healthy, they swept the **** out of the fully healthy Duncan Spurs.

And no, the Spurs weren’t “beating their ass” in 07 either. Even game 1 Nash had to miss the end of it when his nose was broken. Then you have game 3 which even Donaghy himself admits was rigged.

Lol. Duncan's prime was 98 to 07. The Suns swept the Spurs in 2010, which was the nadir of Duncan's career basically. It was after his prime, but before he dropped weight in 2012. Duncan in 12-14 was actually better than he was in 2010 as a result.

Not sure I completely agree with that.

HOWEVER I will grant you it as long as you acknowledge the huge misfortune the Suns had in ‘07. My bad if you have already done that.

Nah. I'm with the other guy on that. The Suns players deserved to be suspended by the rules, which were enforced in an ironclad way at that time. Then they had their guys back for game 6 and were easily beaten by the Spurs who were still missing Horry. And no, Horry wasn't a bum in 07, not in the playoffs anyway.

[TheGOATRises007]

If Nash had played with the favourable circumstances and team mates that Kobe did he'd have 6-7 titles probably.

You are actually shameless

[Hitachi77]

Lol. Duncan's prime was 98 to 07. The Suns swept the Spurs in 2010, which was the nadir of Duncan's career basically. It was after his prime, but before he dropped weight in 2012. Duncan in 12-14 was actually better than he was in 2010 as a result.

Not sure I completely agree with that.

HOWEVER I will grant you it as long as you acknowledge the huge misfortune the Suns had in ‘07. My bad if you have already done that.

Nah. I'm with the other guy on that. The Suns players deserved to be suspended by the rules, which were enforced in an ironclad way at that time. Then they had their guys back for game 6 and were easily beaten by the Spurs who were still missing Horry. And no, Horry wasn't a bum in 07, not in the playoffs anyway.

Well in that case - Duncan’s offensive numbers were very similar in 2010, and he was still elite defensively. Also in round 1 they beat the Mavs, who won the title the following year.

So yeah, the only time the Suns got a full crack at the Spurs they swept them into oblivion. Your argument has holes the size of Uranus. Mine is ironclad.

[One_and_Done]

Not sure I completely agree with that.

HOWEVER I will grant you it as long as you acknowledge the huge misfortune the Suns had in ‘07. My bad if you have already done that.

Nah. I'm with the other guy on that. The Suns players deserved to be suspended by the rules, which were enforced in an ironclad way at that time. Then they had their guys back for game 6 and were easily beaten by the Spurs who were still missing Horry. And no, Horry wasn't a bum in 07, not in the playoffs anyway.

Well in that case - Duncan’s offensive numbers were very similar in 2010, and he was still elite defensively. Also in round 1 they beat the Mavs, who won the title the following year.

So yeah, the only time the Suns got a full crack at the Spurs they swept them into oblivion. Your argument has holes the size of Uranus. Mine is ironclad.

Except it isn't true. The Spurs won only 50 games that year, the lowest in the Duncan era, and mainly because Duncan's knee problems got worse. It was bone on bone. After 2 consecutive failures in the postseason they asked Duncan to slim down in 2012 so he was carrying less weight. The result was a resurgent Duncan. This stuff is all easily looked up. I realise you're not serious, but I'm talking to your reader's too.

[1993Playoffs]

Great but kinda overrated imo. Terrible on defense as well

[Hitachi77]

Nah. I'm with the other guy on that. The Suns players deserved to be suspended by the rules, which were enforced in an ironclad way at that time. Then they had their guys back for game 6 and were easily beaten by the Spurs who were still missing Horry. And no, Horry wasn't a bum in 07, not in the playoffs anyway.

Well in that case - Duncan’s offensive numbers were very similar in 2010, and he was still elite defensively. Also in round 1 they beat the Mavs, who won the title the following year.

So yeah, the only time the Suns got a full crack at the Spurs they swept them into oblivion. Your argument has holes the size of Uranus. Mine is ironclad.

Except it isn't true. The Spurs won only 50 games that year, the lowest in the Duncan era, and mainly because Duncan's knee problems got worse. It was bone on bone. After 2 consecutive failures in the postseason they asked Duncan to slim down in 2012 so he was carrying less weight. The result was a resurgent Duncan. This stuff is all easily looked up. I realise you're not serious, but I'm talking to your reader's too.

They beat the Mavs who won the title the next year. They were a good team and got swept. The only time they faced the Suns with a full squad. All of this is true.

Your entire argument against the Suns was they “deserved” their suspensions. If the rules were enforced so much why don’t you name 3 other times it was enforced? Oh yeah you can’t, because Duncan wasn’t suspended for leaving the bench in the same series, and KG wasn’t suspended for leaving the following year. You said nothing about Nash breaking his nose in game 1, missing the end of the game. Nothing about Donaghy saying game 3 was rigged. Basically you said the Spurs deserved to win because they won game 6 at home. Very weak argument at best. There’s a reason it’s a series, and there’s odds to this stuff.

[MavsDirk41]

Most overrated player of all time. Won MVPs he didn’t deserve.

Ridiculous comment now back it up and explain why he is overrated and didn’t deserve his mvps…