bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
Yeah, I think Miami is a team that could do it if it's something like that. They always operate over the cap anyway. Robinson is a really bad contract.
Rozier has been horrible this season though, with a 53% TS%.
They (Miami) did have interest in him before, but wanted him to be willing to drop his "no trade clause" as part of the deal in the trade, they negotiated a bit further, but he told everyone he only wanted Phoenix at that point, and then Miami did change course to pursue Lillard with no success. I do believe if the salary exchange for them and for us (as it has to be) is equal, then they'd likely do it to get off of Rozier and Robinson for a higher tier talent that can bring significant offense to balance out their defense!
However, considering their lack of draft assets and that we'd have to take back basically equal salary with no real relief, then I'd be against taking back Robinson, and would instead demand Herro (in case we inevitably move Booker or he asks out)?? Although I'm not overtly clear on their disposition/ willingness to trade Herro? But he'd be an equitable high value exchange alternatively to us not getting back any draft picks in the deal to offset what we gave up! as a centerpiece, and although he's clearly not on Bookers' level yet, he clearly has similar attributes and skillset/abilities that can be developed! Kind of a bargain version Booker clone for half the cost. Then we could look to make Rozier our 6th man scorer of the bench, or look to send him elsewhere for other assets possibly?
They wouldn't trade Herro. Beal is a negative contract. Why I was happy to get him for CP3 and Shamet was because CP3 was washed and basically cost us the Dallas series and was a complete non factor last year...and I didn't think we'd get anything for those guys...and then if they expired we'd be over the cap and unable to do anything at all. Some seem to think we could have used his "space" to sign other guys but there was no space...it was carved out to pay CP3 one more year or cut him and save $15 million, and Shamet. So given CP3's $30 million and Shamet's $11 million.
If we could get Herro and Rozier, I'd do it, but I don't see them offering that at all, despite Rozier sucking this year. But for Robinson and Rozier, I could see something like that. Those are both negative contracts as well and neither have added value this year (Rozier -7 net rating which is really bad...Robinson was neutral). Herro at least had a 1 net rating and is younger.
You could be right that Miami would not be willing to trade Herro! But then I wouldn't do the trade! We DON'T REALLY NEED TO TRADE bEAL after all, and at some point, we really have to stop dealing from a point of weakness and losing trades if we're serious about actually getting better. But again, seeing as the heat have zero draft assets that they can give us in return for Beal who contract aside, is still clearly the much better talent than either Rozier or Herro (currently), that would be my hardline baseline to do the trade. IF they don't agree to that value exchange, No harm no foul! We just move on and explore elsewhere or simply keep him and build around a very potent backcourt of Beal/ Booker, and look to add more playmaking through unconvenntional positions such as the KD to New York for Randle trade or prhaps even look at wing and forward playmakers via the draft/undrafted range in prospects such as Jalen Tyson, Oso Ighodaro, Emmanuel Miller, Robbie Avila (Saric with Jokic passing potential), Jonathan Mogbo (Okongwu but with better high level passing/defensive switchability, but little to no offense) etc.
** I also think that there might actually be one or two other teams that could be intrigued by the thought ofv Beal, as long as we're taking back equitable salary/ unwanted players in the deal:
- Maybe Utah? IF we were willing to take back Collins and Sexton or whatever really works for them?
- Maybe Toronto? We take back Bruce Brown/ Boucher?
- Maybe the Flakers? Take back/ Russell,Hachimura, Vincent, Hood schifino/ filler (sign n trade)?
- Maybe Philly?? They literally have only two players on their roster for next season, and will need to spend just to make their floor salary line. So it'd have to be a trade deadline deal once they fill out there roster, but they'll either be looking to trade Embiid and blow it all up completely or they'll need to add another big name talent to keep Embiid somewhat invested and not asking out.
- Maybe Brooklyn?? Would we be willing (IF tanking) to swap Beals' $53 million for Simmons' $40 million expiring and a filler (schroder) so we could get off his salary early? Maybe even flip Simmons' expiring elsewhere to a tax paying team looking for cap relief for other players/assets?
Maybe one or even some of these suggestions might actually be possible, or maybe none of them are actually possible at all. Regardless, Beal isn't a bad player at all, just overpaid significantly. But we'd still be more than fine with him and a backcourt of Booker too! AND he has shown some ability to be a playmaker for others, so maybe we just have him focus more on that and being a better version of Westbrooks' role with the Clippers for us. As for Paul, the oppositional perspective discussion was around the possibilities of other potentially better trade options, and I believe it can be argued there absolutely were other possible avenues we might have explored alternatively to Beal WITHOUT GIVING UP A BUNCH OF DRAFT ASSETS. And even IF Paul expiring wouldn't have gotten us under the tax, Shamets' contract was unguaranteed, and we might have been able to trade Ayton for cheaper alternative returning pieces that cumulatively would've reduced our tax hit/ cap consequences under the new much harsher CBA, and at least left us with some assets to work with.
But what's done is done, and now we have to figure out how to get things back on track again!