Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 4.0

[Knightro]

He says Franz is worth ~25 mil per and Suggs is a ~18-20 mil player. He's 100% right on both.

With the way the cap keeps rising and will continue to rise, I think we are going to collectively need to make an adjustment on our thinking on some of these AAV salary ranges very soon.

When Franz and Suggs' extensions kick in next summer, the cap is right now projected to be $155M, almost $20M more than right now. The year after it's projecting to be over 170M

Vucevic got $25M AAV from Weltman back when the cap was just $109.4M, 23% of the cap.

Aaron Gordon got $19M AAV from Weltman on a $101.8M cap, 18.6% of the cap.

Suggs getting $18M on a $155M cap would only be 11.6% of the salary cap. On a $170M cap it would only be 10.5%.

I just don't think that's a realistic figure to expect.

[eyriq]

If Franz is looking for a $45 mil contract, I'd be looking to ship him out this summer. Ain't no way you can give him that. If he is that good, we should be able to trade him for a legit all-star right?

He's 22... Mosley refers to him as an all-star. What are we doing here?

what we're doing is discussing a 22 year old who was the worst qualifying 3pt shooter of the year... that's what we're doing.

You're throwing out $25 million AAV which is below guys that are all hope and cope while Franz is leading this young core to historic levels of overachievement. You're a great poster and this stuff is hard and it's just a convo so I'm not going to get defensive of Boogie but it's not a fair valuation.

I heard a trade proposal that peaked my interest, Suggs, JI, WCJ for Booker.

[ibraheim718]

Bobby marks doesnt have a job in the nba for a reason. Foh with that garbage. You max Franz on what he will become and not what he is.

[KillMonger]

Bobby marks doesnt have a job in the nba for a reason. Foh with that garbage. You max Franz on what he will become and not what he is.

I agree with this sentiment..... Don't play around with this

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[Knightro]

If Franz will accept slightly less than his max, that would be great for the Magic. Every dollar saved is ultimately helpful for their pursuit of other players down the road.

But if some of you folks actually think he's gonna take something like $25M, you're setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

[fendilim]

Bobby marks doesnt have a job in the nba for a reason. Foh with that garbage. You max Franz on what he will become and not what he is.

Franz isn’t a max player.

[fendilim]

If Franz will accept slightly less than his max, that would be great for the Magic. Every dollar saved is ultimately helpful for their pursuit of other players down the road.

But if some of you folks actually think he's gonna take something like $25M, you're setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

He is anywhere between 25 and the max. But not deserving of the max.

He is no alpha.

[thelead]

He says Franz is worth ~25 mil per and Suggs is a ~18-20 mil player. He's 100% right on both.

With the way the cap keeps rising and will continue to rise, I think we are going to collectively need to make an adjustment on our thinking on some of these AAV salary ranges very soon.

When Franz and Suggs' extensions kick in next summer, the cap is right now projected to be $155M, almost $20M more than right now. The year after it's projecting to be over 170M

Vucevic got $25M AAV from Weltman back when the cap was just $109.4M, 23% of the cap.

Aaron Gordon got $19M AAV from Weltman on a $101.8M cap, 18.6% of the cap.

Suggs getting $18M on a $155M cap would only be 11.6% of the salary cap. On a $170M cap it would only be 10.5%.

I just don't think that's a realistic figure to expect.

Yeah, I was comparing to current contract and not taking the rising cap into consideration but even so, we're talking ~30 mil per for Franz and ~23 mil per for Suggs. That does sound about right in terms of future cap space until they show they are truly worth more.

[basketballRob]

If Franz will accept slightly less than his max, that would be great for the Magic. Every dollar saved is ultimately helpful for their pursuit of other players down the road.

But if some of you folks actually think he's gonna take something like $25M, you're setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

It's not only Marks saying he shouldn't get the max. I heard Simmons and Russilo saying it today. I've also heard it from others. Franz is limited because he only made 28% of all jump shots. He's not going to be a future all-star unless he can get that up to 38-40%. Franz currently isn't a second and maybe not a third option on a championship team. Russilo and Simmons think he's a 4th option.

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[basketballRob]

Marks was saying that giving Garland a max was a mistake, and he averaged 22 ppg and 9 apg in his 3rd season.

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[eyriq]

25 minute mark or so they discuss a Suggs/JI/WCJ for Booker swap.

Watch on YouTube

[ibraheim718]

Bobby marks doesnt have a job in the nba for a reason. Foh with that garbage. You max Franz on what he will become and not what he is.

Franz isn’t a max player.

He most certainly is.

[ibraheim718]

Let me ask the forum this.. how many teams would give Franz a max extension in the league if they were in Orlando's situation? The answer is 29 of them.

21, 7, and 4 in his first playoff series with great defense at the age of 22-23.

[fendilim]

Bobby marks doesnt have a job in the nba for a reason. Foh with that garbage. You max Franz on what he will become and not what he is.

Franz isn’t a max player.

He most certainly is.

https://youtu.be/0WZuFIIdHgE?si=io5TRexx3pOwUY_1

[eyriq]

If Franz will accept slightly less than his max, that would be great for the Magic. Every dollar saved is ultimately helpful for their pursuit of other players down the road.

But if some of you folks actually think he's gonna take something like $25M, you're setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

It's not only Marks saying he shouldn't get the max. I heard Simmons and Russilo saying it today. I've also heard it from others. Franz is limited because he only made 28% of all jump shots. He's not going to be a future all-star unless he can get that up to 38-40%. Franz currently isn't a second and maybe not a third option on a championship team. Russilo and Simmons think he's a 4th option.

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People are going to over index value into Paolo now that the narrative has shifted to him being a superstar. They are all wrong, Franz is right there with Paolo in terms of value. I've always said Paolo was better because he can handle high usage and drive an offense, but Franz isn't far behind Paolo offensively and is magnitudes better on defense.

[ibraheim718]

Franz isn’t a max player.

He most certainly is.

https://youtu.be/0WZuFIIdHgE?si=io5TRexx3pOwUY_1

Bro do you know how easy it is to make this kind of video after the fact.

Here I'll counter with this video.

Watch on YouTube

[drsd]

He says Franz is worth ~25 mil per and Suggs is a ~18-20 mil player. He's 100% right on both.

With the way the cap keeps rising and will continue to rise, I think we are going to collectively need to make an adjustment on our thinking on some of these AAV salary ranges very soon.

When Franz and Suggs' extensions kick in next summer, the cap is right now projected to be $155M, almost $20M more than right now. The year after it's projecting to be over 170M

Vucevic got $25M AAV from Weltman back when the cap was just $109.4M, 23% of the cap.

Aaron Gordon got $19M AAV from Weltman on a $101.8M cap, 18.6% of the cap.

Suggs getting $18M on a $155M cap would only be 11.6% of the salary cap. On a $170M cap it would only be 10.5%.

I just don't think that's a realistic figure to expect.

And-1

The current cap information is based on the current media deals. When the league gets 5B richer, then in either 2025 or 2026, the cap will jump by 22-28% percent annually over what one sees on internet tables today.

Be very confident that agents know that quite well. So, when one says "The year after it's projecting to be over 170M", it actually could be at or above 200M. Without some cap "smoothing" by the league, something the players' union would fight against, there are going to be some totally ridiculous contracts in three-year's time.

A 20M a year player is a MLE guy in the 2026/27 season. Suggs is going to make a lot more than MLE-level money.


p.s. two-way players make a million a year from next year. That's a lot of money to be on a practice squad and cheerlead on gameday.

[thelead]

28% from deep on the season and 26.5% from deep in the playoffs... that is not a max SF in today's NBA. It's just not.

[ibraheim718]

Weltman and Parker aren't going to get cute with this.. that's how you fracture relationships.

Commit to the core you drafted, pay them, and stfu.

[drsd]

Weltman and Parker aren't going to get cute with this.. that's how you fracture relationships.

Commit to the core you drafted, pay them, and stfu.

Where is the And-2 button? WePark has three eggs firmly planted in a basket. This is the way. Time to write the cheques.