2024 NBA Playoffs: East Semifinals: #2 New York Knicks vs #6 Indiana Pacers (IND WINS 4-3)

[guardplay320]

One team playing in a way and the other, despite all the hart in the team, playing in a not so pleasant way.

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^tweet is quite harsh and exaggerated, but still kind of truthful.

I don't really take umbrage with the rest of your post as we definitely got some home cookin' that game but this is rude to even include. Brunson dropped 21 points in that quarter off a pretty wild array of high degree of difficulty shots and, yes, some free throws. He was amazing and helped the team overcome a substantial deficit. Give the man his damn flowers.

Ugh. I have already seen two very rational users ruin my week by calling me pathetic and hilarious and cringe for simply writing a "post-game" post in this topic. By you bringing up only that tweet, I run the risk of being insulted further because they will think I dislike Brunson or something. I think he is awesome, amazing and a cool cookie. It's also impressive that he started the playoffs looking very shaky and now has had this run.

As I recall, that tweet was symbolic of a certain opinion that is forming around some of the calls he gets/is fishing for (there is a post in this topic with a ton of and1s about manufacturing stars). I had the generic feeling that "neutral" fans (including myself) thought the Pacers played more eye pleasing basketball, while the other team wasn't as pretty, to say the least - so this contributed to fans feeling even more upset about the random calls at the end.

There's a breed of Knicks fan who rarely posts on the GB and when they do it is to essentially parachute into topics to be nasty to others. Bless their souls, they live under this delusional idea that "everyone hates the Knicks", when that is not the case at all. Many people happy the Knicks have done well, respecting the way they play and pretty much the entire GB rooted for them against the Sixers.

I'll finish talking about the Knicks (a minefield given the number of folks who are paranoid that the world hates them) by saying this: everyone knows what will happen if the Knicks meet the Celtics and if the Celtics win a game in controversial fashion. I highly doubt that the "questionable calls for both sides" crowd will be very rational.

When you post a tweet with such a horrible take like that, it is going to get reaction. Brunson scored 29 points minus the free throws. Sure, he tries to draw contact often like basically every star in the league. The reason he is getting so many calls now is because he is becoming unstoppable. Pacers are great to watch on offense, but are far from pleasant to watch on defense. If you prefer the Mike Dantoni offense only school of basketball, sure it is pretty. That doesn't mean you need to take digs at Brunson.

Also, spare me on the "beautiful" though the legs dunk compliment. He has missed that same dunk more than once in a game. He is lucky that he made it or he would be getting so much crap today. It is a dumb, unnecessary, showy play and to make it worse, he didn't get back on defense because of the showboating and the Knicks took advantage with a 3 pointer on the other end.

[cgf]

One team playing in a way and the other, despite all the hart in the team, playing in a not so pleasant way.

Read on Twitter

^tweet is quite harsh and exaggerated, but still kind of truthful.

I don't really take umbrage with the rest of your post as we definitely got some home cookin' that game but this is rude to even include. Brunson dropped 21 points in that quarter off a pretty wild array of high degree of difficulty shots and, yes, some free throws. He was amazing and helped the team overcome a substantial deficit. Give the man his damn flowers.

Ugh. I have already seen two very rational users ruin my week by calling me pathetic and hilarious and cringe for simply writing a "post-game" post in this topic. By you bringing up only that tweet, I run the risk of being insulted further because they will think I dislike Brunson or something. I think he is awesome, amazing and a cool cookie. It's also impressive that he started the playoffs looking very shaky and now has had this run.

As I recall, that tweet was symbolic of a certain opinion that is forming around some of the calls he gets/is fishing for (there is a post in this topic with a ton of and1s about manufacturing stars). I had the generic feeling that "neutral" fans (including myself) thought the Pacers played more eye pleasing basketball, while the other team wasn't as pretty, to say the least - so this contributed to fans feeling even more upset about the random calls at the end.

There's a breed of Knicks fan who rarely posts on the GB and when they do it is to essentially parachute into topics to be nasty to others. Bless their souls, they live under this delusional idea that "everyone hates the Knicks", when that is not the case at all. Many people happy the Knicks have done well, respecting the way they play and pretty much the entire GB rooted for them against the Sixers.

I'll finish talking about the Knicks (a minefield given the number of folks who are paranoid that the world hates them) by saying this: everyone knows what will happen if the Knicks meet the Celtics and if the Celtics win a game in controversial fashion. I highly doubt that the "questionable calls for both sides" crowd will be very rational.

I do genuinely regret people being dickish to you...although I suspect that you knew that tweet would ruffle some feathers when you felt compelled to describe the tweet as harsh & exaggerated...and hope that you'll take heart from the fact that we're a huge fanbase, that is used to being a little more blunt/rude with each other and so don't always play well with others.

...but I think you might be surprised. Some will obviously rage irrationally...especially if we get smoked...and we'll bitch about not getting calls or an opponent getting calls -- like we did against Embiid -- but the focus on our board is usually on what the team failed to do to overcome those calls, because most of us still expect to get a bad whistle.

I know that objectively, that has changed and we do get star calls now to, but for so many years the only team that would get star calls at the garden was our opponent that it's still drilled into us.

[Lord Commander]

So a good call then.

Horrible call. NBA officials giving career journeymen these flops will continue the league's demise. Used to be a few superstars got this treatment, now with mids like Donte D and Brunson getting these calls it's become unwatchable.

Brunson is mid? Lmaooo
If divo is mid how come he gave u 24 last night ?

Yea, he's lost all credibility.

[Capn'O]

While that moving screen called on Myles Turner was technically correct, I don't think a call like that is ever made at that point in the game and was definitely questionable, and very well may have changed the outcome. It's really too bad they didn't let them play and see who pulled it out in the end.

Donte sold it well. When I initially saw the play I thought it was a much bigger hit than it was. Even in late game you can't knock a guy over... but upon review Turner didn't knock him over. Now, that's one thing when you're calling a game but in review you can't overturn it because, well, it was technically a foul even if it wasn't one they would have called initially without the acting job. Donte may even have a degree from the Reggie Miller Thespians Academy if the rumors are true.

The kick ball was way more egregious.


One I was frustrated with was the successfully challenged foul on Brunson where Haliburton? hit his hand and knocked it loose. Not so much that they overturned the call but that they gave Indy possession when the ball was deflected into another Indy player's foot. So, if there wasn't a foul there was a kick before Indy gained possession. How do you automatically give Indy the ball? You don't bring the foul forward but you bring the play stoppage forward? How to reconcile actions that happen after the challenged play seems like an issue with challenged calls. I would have thought that maybe you consider it a loose ball and jump it, at worst.

[Astaluego]

I wanted to see a game before commenting.... Either the Knicks win this tie in 4 or Rick wins it. What a good coach he is...I think Indiana's plan yesterday was to wear down the Knicks, the Pacers are deeper and they know it, NY will not stand Indiana's frenetic pace and they will turn this around...I will say Pacers in 7 and They don't win it before, because this Knicks team has a big heart

[goinrogue]

As someone who’s not a fan of either team, the Pacers got completely screwed by the referees. Even the biggest Knicks fan has to admit the refs handed them that game.

That being said, another playoff game where haliburton is too soft. Something pacers fans have to watch.

[Capn'O]

One team playing in a way and the other, despite all the hart in the team, playing in a not so pleasant way.

Read on Twitter

^tweet is quite harsh and exaggerated, but still kind of truthful.

I don't really take umbrage with the rest of your post as we definitely got some home cookin' that game but this is rude to even include. Brunson dropped 21 points in that quarter off a pretty wild array of high degree of difficulty shots and, yes, some free throws. He was amazing and helped the team overcome a substantial deficit. Give the man his damn flowers.

Ugh. I have already seen two very rational users ruin my week by calling me pathetic and hilarious and cringe for simply writing a "post-game" post in this topic. By you bringing up only that tweet, I run the risk of being insulted further because they will think I dislike Brunson or something. I think he is awesome, amazing and a cool cookie. It's also impressive that he started the playoffs looking very shaky and now has had this run.

As I recall, that tweet was symbolic of a certain opinion that is forming around some of the calls he gets/is fishing for (there is a post in this topic with a ton of and1s about manufacturing stars). I had the generic feeling that "neutral" fans (including myself) thought the Pacers played more eye pleasing basketball, while the other team wasn't as pretty, to say the least - so this contributed to fans feeling even more upset about the random calls at the end.

There's a breed of Knicks fan who rarely posts on the GB and when they do it is to essentially parachute into topics to be nasty to others. Bless their souls, they live under this delusional idea that "everyone hates the Knicks", when that is not the case at all. Many people happy the Knicks have done well, respecting the way they play and pretty much the entire GB rooted for them against the Sixers.

I'll finish talking about the Knicks (a minefield given the number of folks who are paranoid that the world hates them) by saying this: everyone knows what will happen if the Knicks meet the Celtics and if the Celtics win a game in controversial fashion. I highly doubt that the "questionable calls for both sides" crowd will be very rational.

I didn't want to quote that entire post to address a small part of it and specifically said as much to try to help you off the hook for the rest of it I generally felt the refs were too heavy handed down the stretch with the lion's share of that going to the Knicks. I prefer a game that's much more loosely called towards the end. Too much stoppage and review gives a lot of room to question the outcome.

Pacers definitely play an elegant style of ball. They're a finesse, scoring team with a lot of movement and they're better than the sum of their parts, especially with Haliburton playing sub-par for whatever reason. They're very well coached and Carlisle has a decorum about him that seems to extend to his team. Knicks are more of a punch you in the mouth, grind it out team.

But damn if they didn't make big plays. Donte's shot. Hart's drive and then rebounding his own FT miss for two more. OG's steal for the dunk. Brunson hit a bunch of shots late. Lots of big defensive stops. We overcame a 9 point deficit in the 4th. That doesn't happen because of a missed call or two and we do this almost every close game. Big play after big play in crunch time and that's why if we get a good call it matters so much because we just keep coming at you.

So when I see somebody posting that we just fall down a lot and that's why we're winning I treat that tweet - not you, that tweet - with the New York style FOH it deserves.

[___Rand___]

Except no team got gifted anything and there were questionable calls made against both teams. But that doesn’t fit the “big market evil, small market good, league is rigged” narrative that clowns like to run with everytime the Knicks end up winning.

But the bad calls weren't even. Bad calls were like 4 to 1 in favor of Knicks. Which determines the outcome of the game. The "kicked ball" possession itself was a 5 point swing - when the game was TIED with 39 seconds left. THAT alone determines the outcome of the game.

Sounds like a ratio you just made up to fit your narrative

Sounds like you got that "don't see don't hear" syndrome. Here are the 4 calls favoring your Knicks who were HANDED the WIN on a platter by the Refs:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112980848#p112980848

#1 - kicked ball that wasn't a kicked ball. Challenge denied.
#2 - moving screen called on Turner at 17 seconds left.
#3 - foul called on Haliburton that was NOT a foul. Challenged and over-turned.
#4 - blatant and obvious moving screen on DiVincenzo that was NOT called favoring Knicks. 59 seconds mark That would have been foul #6 on DiVincenzo!

The kicked ball play ALONE was a 5-6 point SWING. In a close end game THAT play ALONE gives the win to Knicks. And the refs added a few more for INSURANCE. I thought the end of game 2 Sixers series was bad. This is just as bad.

Seems like YOU don't got facts just making things out of your feelings.

[___Rand___]

You know the saddest thing about Refs job of this game 1? It completely OVERSHADOWS Brunson's great game where he carried the Knicks on his back. Instead of this game 1 being about Brunson, it's the REFs.

[Capn'O]

How about this one?

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Similar to Brunson's block on Turner, Haliburton's contact here is considered marginal and the call is overturned. But Pacers ball off the kick? Interesting...

[Lord Commander]

You know the saddest thing about Refs job of this game 1? It completely OVERSHADOWS Brunson's great game where he carried the Knicks on his back. Instead of this game 1 being about Brunson, it's the REFs.

No it's not. Everyone else is the non-knicks hating world is lauding Brunson.

[knicksNOTslick]

But the bad calls weren't even. Bad calls were like 4 to 1 in favor of Knicks. Which determines the outcome of the game. The "kicked ball" possession itself was a 5 point swing - when the game was TIED with 39 seconds left. THAT alone determines the outcome of the game.

Sounds like a ratio you just made up to fit your narrative

Sounds like you got that "don't see don't hear" syndrome. Here are the 4 calls favoring your Knicks who were HANDED the WIN on a platter by the Refs:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112980848#p112980848

#1 - kicked ball that wasn't a kicked ball. Challenge denied.
#2 - moving screen called on Turner at 17 seconds left.
#3 - foul called on Haliburton that was NOT a foul. Challenged and over-turned.
#4 - blatant and obvious moving screen on DiVincenzo that was NOT called favoring Knicks. 59 seconds mark That would have been foul #6 on DiVincenzo!

The kicked ball play ALONE was a 5-6 point SWING. In a close end game THAT play ALONE gives the win to Knicks. And the refs added a few more for INSURANCE. I thought the end of game 2 Sixers series was bad. This is just as bad.

Seems like YOU don't got facts just making things out of your feelings.

You posted all that but won't acknowledge the missed call where Brunson dribbles the ball off Nembhard's foot. That was with 20 seconds left in the game with the Knicks leading by only 1 point. If the Knicks didn't have a challenge, that would've been a huge missed call but it got overturned.

Now if you had acknowledged that, you would then admit that the refs didnt rig it for the Knicks otherwise they wouldn't have called that out on the Knicks. There was a lot of bad calls both ways. How about all the jersey pulling from Indiana when they kept grabbing Brunson. That wasn't called a lot. It was bad on both sides.

[___Rand___]

Sounds like a ratio you just made up to fit your narrative

Sounds like you got that "don't see don't hear" syndrome. Here are the 4 calls favoring your Knicks who were HANDED the WIN on a platter by the Refs:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112980848#p112980848

#1 - kicked ball that wasn't a kicked ball. Challenge denied.
#2 - moving screen called on Turner at 17 seconds left.
#3 - foul called on Haliburton that was NOT a foul. Challenged and over-turned.
#4 - blatant and obvious moving screen on DiVincenzo that was NOT called favoring Knicks. 59 seconds mark That would have been foul #6 on DiVincenzo!

The kicked ball play ALONE was a 5-6 point SWING. In a close end game THAT play ALONE gives the win to Knicks. And the refs added a few more for INSURANCE. I thought the end of game 2 Sixers series was bad. This is just as bad.

Seems like YOU don't got facts just making things out of your feelings.

You posted all that but won't acknowledge the missed call where Brunson dribbles the ball off Nembhard's foot. That was with 20 seconds left in the game with the Knicks leading by only 1 point. If the Knicks didn't have a challenge, that would've been a huge missed call but it got overturned.

Now if you had acknowledged that, you would then admit that the refs didnt rig it for the Knicks otherwise they wouldn't have called that out on the Knicks. There was a lot of bad calls both ways. How about all the jersey pulling from Indiana when they kept grabbing Brunson. That wasn't called a lot. It was bad on both sides.

Yes I acknowledge it. That call was overturned. You know how refs will have a make up call in there now and then. It was a make up call for favoring Knicks so much. And it wasn't game changing. The ratio of bad calls favoring Knicks was 4 to 1. I said it in another post. When it's 4 to 1 in the last 2 minutes of the game, it clearly is rigged in Knicks' favor. The game was HANDED to Knicks on a platter. Your team didn't earn it.

[Tron Carter]

You know the saddest thing about Refs job of this game 1? It completely OVERSHADOWS Brunson's great game where he carried the Knicks on his back. Instead of this game 1 being about Brunson, it's the REFs.

There’s actually plenty of rationale people outside of the “neutral fan” anti-knicks circle jerk in here that acknowledge the greatness of Jalen Brunson. You might suffer from the disease of being too chronically online.

[___Rand___]

You know the saddest thing about Refs job of this game 1? It completely OVERSHADOWS Brunson's great game where he carried the Knicks on his back. Instead of this game 1 being about Brunson, it's the REFs.

There’s actually plenty of rationale people outside of the “neutral fan” anti-knicks circle jerk in here that acknowledge the greatness of Jalen Brunson. You might suffer from the disease of being too chronically online.

Brunson's nice game is completely overshadowed by refs gifting the game to Pacers. Look at the headlines today. It ain't Brunson. It's the refs! You got the disease of ignorance and name calling. I got the disease of being comfortably retired and passionate about the game. You enjoy yours I enjoy mine.

[guardplay320]

Sounds like you got that "don't see don't hear" syndrome. Here are the 4 calls favoring your Knicks who were HANDED the WIN on a platter by the Refs:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=112980848#p112980848



The kicked ball play ALONE was a 5-6 point SWING. In a close end game THAT play ALONE gives the win to Knicks. And the refs added a few more for INSURANCE. I thought the end of game 2 Sixers series was bad. This is just as bad.

Seems like YOU don't got facts just making things out of your feelings.

You posted all that but won't acknowledge the missed call where Brunson dribbles the ball off Nembhard's foot. That was with 20 seconds left in the game with the Knicks leading by only 1 point. If the Knicks didn't have a challenge, that would've been a huge missed call but it got overturned.

Now if you had acknowledged that, you would then admit that the refs didnt rig it for the Knicks otherwise they wouldn't have called that out on the Knicks. There was a lot of bad calls both ways. How about all the jersey pulling from Indiana when they kept grabbing Brunson. That wasn't called a lot. It was bad on both sides.

Yes I acknowledge it. That call was overturned. You know how refs will have a make up call in there now and then. It was a make up call for favoring Knicks so much. And it wasn't game changing. The ratio of bad calls favoring Knicks was 4 to 1. I said it in another post. When it's 4 to 1 in the last 2 minutes of the game, it clearly is rigged in Knicks' favor. The game was HANDED to Knicks on a platter. Your team didn't earn it.

I would technically say 3-2. The overturned Halliburton foul hit Nesmith's foot after so that should have been a kick ball but possession was given to the Pacers on the overturn. Should have been Knicks ball. Watch that one again. Original call was wrong calling it a foul but it should have been Knicks ball anyway and it ended up with the Pacers.

[BooomBaby]

Take away Haliburton and Siakam and we lose nothing.

[Tron Carter]

You know the saddest thing about Refs job of this game 1? It completely OVERSHADOWS Brunson's great game where he carried the Knicks on his back. Instead of this game 1 being about Brunson, it's the REFs.

There’s actually plenty of rationale people outside of the “neutral fan” anti-knicks circle jerk in here that acknowledge the greatness of Jalen Brunson. You might suffer from the disease of being too chronically online.

Brunson's nice game is completely overshadowed by refs gifting the game to Pacers. Look at the headlines today. It ain't Brunson. It's the refs! You got the disease of ignorance and name calling. I got the disease of being comfortably retired and passionate about the game. You enjoy yours I enjoy mine.

*checks headlines*

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I will enjoy being up 1-0 in the 2nd round. As a Raptor fan, I’m sure you’re gearing up for the draft lottery. Enjoy retirement, it’s nice out today

[azcatz11]

Knick fans are getting cocky…reminds me of the 90s. I forgot how bad they can be. Not as bad as Laker fans but second IMO.

Go pacers!!!!

[cgf]

Dortmund through, if Bayern follows tomorrow that ensures a BuLi team will win the CL & EL