Jokic is not the best in the world, and has been heavily overrated (NOW YOU CAN CHANGE VOTES)

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Has Jokic been overrated?

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No
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Re: Jokic is not the best in the world, and has been heavily overrated 

Post#381 » by DimesandKnicks » Sun May 12, 2024 9:44 pm

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It really is just silly not to mention. I asked how the Cav’s made it the conference finals against the Pistons and had an identical record the season before with a middle of the pack defense and they just discussed a single series for a team that played 95 games.


How did they make it to the conference finals against the Pistons in 2007? Well, first of all, they did that only by beating negative SRS teams (one of which was without its two best players in the playoffs) in a weak conference. Second of all, the main reason they beat even those teams is that their defense was, again, amazing. Most notably, in the Eastern Conference Semifinals, the 2007 Cavs had an awful offense. They scored 99.0 points per 100 possessions, against a Nets team that gave up 106.6 points per 100 possessions in the regular season. That is absolutely awful. And LeBron himself had a bad series offensively, scoring over 6 PPG lower than his season average, while having a negative rTS%. So how did they win the series? Well, the Cavs defense held the Nets to an incredibly low 97.1 points per 100 possessions. The Nets had averaged 105.7 points per 100 possessions in the regular season, so this was a monster defensive display. And, given how abysmal the LeBron-led offense was, they needed that incredible defense to carry them. So yeah, I wouldn’t say “how the Cavs made it to the conference finals” is a very helpful line of inquiry for you here.

As for how the Cavs had the same record in 2006 as in 2007, despite their defense not being as good, it’s because the offense was a bit better in 2006. And LeBron should get a good bit of the credit for the 2006 Cavs being a pretty good regular season offense. But we’re arguing about whether LeBron “carried” the 2007 Cavs to the Finals, not whether he carried the 2006 Cavs to a pretty good regular season offense. (And, of course, ultimately, the 2006 Cavs had a subpar offense in the playoffs, posting a -1.3 rORTG).


They had the same exact record with pretty much the same exact team. Ima going to agree to disagree here.
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Re: Jokic is not the best in the world, and has been heavily overrated 

Post#382 » by AleksandarN » Mon May 13, 2024 1:01 am

AleksandarN wrote:And Jokic still hasn’t played his best yet. Best player in the league

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He has now so far this half
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Post#383 » by web123888 » Mon May 13, 2024 1:07 am

Wise people would've put in their Nuggets series and conference winner bets as soon as they went down 2-0 and odds were spectacular. $$$$$$
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Re: Jokic is not the best in the world, and has been heavily overrated 

Post#384 » by Quattro » Mon May 13, 2024 1:11 am

What are the odds that the guy who started this thread will come back and take his medicine if the Nuggets win this series?
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Post#385 » by danvato » Mon May 13, 2024 2:29 am

Quattro wrote:What are the odds that the guy who started this thread will come back and take his medicine if the Nuggets win this series?


Community should just vote to ban him.
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Post#386 » by shi-woo » Mon May 13, 2024 2:34 am

This thread going to be 50 pages deep by the time Denver wins their back to back titles with Jokic looking like he did tonight :lol:
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Post#387 » by Biff » Mon May 13, 2024 2:36 am

All the knee jerkers (OP especially) need to apologize to Jokic.
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Post#389 » by multo » Mon May 13, 2024 2:40 am

So how about it OP? :dontknow:
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Post#390 » by Sgt Major » Mon May 13, 2024 2:42 am

I love how Embiid, Giannis and Luka fans have dispersed from this thread. :lol:
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Post#391 » by GrandTheftRondo » Mon May 13, 2024 2:42 am

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UglyBugBall wrote:I've been saying this since his first mvp. He's an incredible system player, but he lacks competitive fire and toughness to be an ATG player. His MVP as a 6 seed will be locked at as THE worst mvp season in history. It'll make the Rose and Nash wins seem unanimous.

Jokic is a guy that needs a superstar like Murray to make his game work. He can't take over without that second punch on the perimeter the way other ATGs could. Now that Murray has been exposed, so has Jokic. What's funny is that those really watching told you this year's ago when he only got the sixth seed without him.

To me he is the third best player in the NBA - Luka and Embiid are comfortably ahead of him. Last year he took advantage of an injured field, and a weakened conference in a transition year. He had Murray playing like a superstar and to his credit got it done. But his awards don't match his greatness and in a few years everyone will come around to what I'm saying here right now.



100% agree, but social media will hate this take. Hold down the fort, because this is clear as day.

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Post#392 » by scrabbarista » Mon May 13, 2024 2:43 am

The fact that exactly 400 people have voted and the OP has exactly four and1's says all you need to know.
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Post#393 » by dautjazz » Mon May 13, 2024 2:44 am

LMAO Embiid is comfortably ahead of him. Embiid was gifted one of Jokic's MVPs. Simply put, Embiid is always hurt or underperforms in the playoffs. This thread is ridiculous.

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Post#394 » by doogie_hauser » Mon May 13, 2024 2:44 am

I am just shook OP wasn't a Philly/Embiid stan.

These last two games and series is only adding to Joker and his legacy.
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Post#395 » by Sgt Major » Mon May 13, 2024 2:46 am

doogie_hauser wrote:I am just shook OP wasn't a Philly/Embiid stan.

These last two games and series is only adding to Joker and his legacy.



Come November, those clowns will return and start three threads per day on their favorite being better because he's got nice FT percentages.
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Re: Jokic is not the best in the world, and has been heavily overrated 

Post#396 » by hisairness » Mon May 13, 2024 2:46 am

scrabbarista wrote:The fact that exactly 400 people have voted and the OP has exactly four and1's says all you need to know.


the funny and sad thing is that i guessed who one of those and1's was before even looking it up.
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Post#397 » by Infinite Llamas » Mon May 13, 2024 2:46 am

One of the worst opening posts in the HISTORY of RealGM.
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Post#398 » by TheGOATRises007 » Mon May 13, 2024 2:51 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

OP should come out and apologize
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Post#399 » by Infinite Llamas » Mon May 13, 2024 2:52 am

Good call from Gilbert Arenas’ “source” that Joker had given up the season and just wanted to go home.
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Re: Jokic is not the best in the world, and has been heavily overrated 

Post#400 » by Sweet Serenity » Mon May 13, 2024 2:54 am

Sgt Major wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:I am just shook OP wasn't a Philly/Embiid stan.

These last two games and series is only adding to Joker and his legacy.



Come November, those clowns will return and start three threads per day on their favorite being better because he's got nice FT percentages.


Can’t wait till Embiid drops 50 against the Hornets in November & the usual suspects scurry out of their holes :lol:

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