Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[Kobewade11]

This is a 100 % coming from Garland. He sees the tea leaves, Mitchell is gone and no way he wants to get stuck in Cleveland. And every agency does this. This is the playbook when you want to get traded and have years on books. Kyrie, Harden, KD all non Klutch clients have done this. It's no surprise Garland and Mitchell would want out of Cleveland

Right, that's why the caveat of the report is "if Mitchell is extended"...

[MettaWorldPanda]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Not saying we won't be able to make trades that involve maybe someone like Jovic and JJJ but when it comes to getting true star quality talent those type of players are usually viewed as fillers with multiple draft picks. Tyler Herro's 30 million dollar contract is not taking any deal over the top. If Tyler is traded it's for an older player on a big contract like Lillard or a depressed asset player who's expiring with similar question marks like Brandon Ingram.

[Flash4thewin]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

It's not just about the number of picks, but the value of them. We are almost never in the lottery and we are always in the playoffs, so our picks are naturally worth less. Take the Lakers for instance, before Lebron got there, they were in the lottery for consequitive years. Those picks will hold more value than our picks unfortunately.

[greg4012]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

Starting to sober to the reality it might take both young bucks /:

Wouldn't Miami be able to trade both 2029 and 2031 after the 2024 draft is done?

I need to refresh my understanding of the workings of this every offseason lol

[twix2500]

We can probably safely chalk this to year 11 that we will not engage, draft, trade for any Klutch clients. Look what the Bulls are having to deal with having Ball collecting paychecks on cadaver knees and LaVine being a total ahole. Anyone under Klutch just comes with that Rich Paul control baggage that can ruin franchises quickly on a whim. Kudos to Trae Young for getting away.

Yep. And those familiar with the way Klutch operates know there is always a move before the move. This initial drop from Shams is just to try to sow dissent between player and team. The actual play is to attempt to stir Garland towards a team in need of a guard, now gee I wonder what team that could be

I think what we need to remember is that Klutch works for there players not the other way around. So anything being done is done at the direction of the player. Garland probably wants to play in LA all things being equal.

That's the problem with Klutch. GMs are feeling like Klutch are using the player as leverage for the company advantage. Side deals that has nothing to do with the individual player they are supposedly representing. Example a lot leaked out about Leonard leaving Toronto a lot of the negotiations had to do with family members and associates getting kickbacks.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

It's not just about the number of picks, but the value of them. We are almost never in the lottery and we are always in the playoffs, so our picks are naturally worth less. Take the Lakers for instance, before Lebron got there, they were in the lottery for consequitive years. Those picks will hold more value than our picks unfortunately.

I mean I think it would help us if we had more then one pick to trade regardless. The 2029 pick does have a lot of value but it's only one pick. Our true raw trade assets are the 15th pick, Jovic(Young role player with potential for more), JJJ(young role player with potential for more), and 2029 1st rd pick. Salary attachment of Tyler Herro at 30 million for next 4 years. Realistically that offer is going to get beat when whale hunting. I do think that collective offer can get us Lillard, Ingram, or multiple high end role players.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The true threat for Mitchell is going to be the San Antonio Spurs. Especially with rumblings already coming out that they have zero interest in Trae Young. Popovich has been buttering up Mitchell during the team USA stints. Once they throw there hat into the ring with all there picks and salary cap space it's a done deal.

[greg4012]

In the case of the Cavs, I think they would prioritize young players in the age range of Mobley over future draft picks (though they would need some of both)

[twix2500]

Here is a issue that has be highly added to your idea of rebuilding the core. Having 3 Max players (40 plus) is not the situation the Heat wants to be in. That is why as of right now the Heat will go after Mitchell because of his current contract. And go after Ingram if his salary is not 40 plus a yr.

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[K N U C K L E S]

I don't think we're the best team in the state of Florida anymore

Crazy to see, we big brothered them forever seemingly

It was gonna happen eventually. When was the last time they were better than the Heat? When Shaq was there?

When was the last time the Heat weren't the big brother of their whole division? 15 years ago?

[Beenie]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

I don’t think that picks will necessarily be the biggest factor for Clev.

Unless they are also gonna dump Garland Evens and or Allen.

Otherwise, seems reasonable for them to instead value talented players who are can solidify their roster around their core and hope that their young guys keep developing.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The reason why I like the idea of getting Brandon Ingram and Larry Nance Jr are they are both expiring deals. Both should be highly motivated to play at there best next year for contracts. At very worst if things don't work out we let them walk and regain some semblance of cap flexibility by getting off the deals of Herro and Robinson or Rozier. It's a swing to try and compete next year in order to get a better seeding and pay out the pick to OKC.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

I don’t think that picks will necessarily be the biggest factor for Clev.

Unless they are also gonna dump Garland Evens and or Allen.

Otherwise, seems reasonable for them to instead value talented players who are can solidify their roster around their core and hope that their young guys keep developing.

They gave up a boat load of picks to the Utah Jazz. I have a hard time imagining they are not going to go after a deal that nets them players and picks similar to when they dealt Sexton, Markannen, Agbaji, and

2025 first-round pick
2026 pick swap
2027 first-round pick
2028 pick swap
2029 first-round pick

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I feel like even the FO knows they have to make a move this offseason. Something is going to happen. Even if they need to overpay, you get the STAR and worry about the roleplayers later.

[Beenie]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

I don’t think that picks will necessarily be the biggest factor for Clev.

Unless they are also gonna dump Garland Evens and or Allen.

Otherwise, seems reasonable for them to instead value talented players who are can solidify their roster around their core and hope that their young guys keep developing.

They gave up a boat load of picks to the Utah Jazz. I have a hard time imagining they are not going to go after a deal that nets them players and picks similar to when they dealt Sexton, Markannen, Agbaji, and

2025 first-round pick
2026 pick swap
2027 first-round pick
2028 pick swap
2029 first-round pick

I can see something like:

Ingram, McCollum, Pick(s)

for

Mitchell, Allen, Lavert

Of course this is all assuming that either Mitchell signs off on extending in NO or NO willing to roll the dice on selling him to extend. Other teams perhaps could get involved for pieces like Allen.

[AirP.]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

You are correct but this is why teams AGREE to a deal before the pick is made and then make the pick for the team they're trading with although Thibodeau drafted for Chicago, and it took a year before the Butler trade went through. The player's rights can be traded any time after the pick is made as long as they don't sign him, then there's a 30-day waiting period.

The Rozier trade hurts Miami's ability to trade a 2nd 1st in the future because they put a lottery protection on the Rozier 1st which removes the ability to trade a 1st round pick in a 3-year span. They'd have to get the protections taken off the pick to make a 2nd future 1st available (if I remember correctly).

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Weak draft at the top this year. If I'm them, I’m looking for wings who can compliment Trey.

If Atl managed to upgrade their wings to this degree in exchange for Murray, the pick and filler, they could be a top 4 team in the east.

While it may be weak you still don’t trade the 1st overall pick for a 28 year old role player.

Why exactly?

If Atl decides that they want to keep Trey and build around him, why not trade for a guy who’s in his athletic prime who is a switchable 3nD player

They don’t need somebody who is gonna be ball dominant playing next to Trey

Too much upside to trade for a role player. If you trade the 1st overall pick you better be getting an all star

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We only have the 2029 pick to offer up in trade along with the 15th pick after the pick is made but once the pick is made it's not as valuable as a future pick unless the team you are trading with absolutely loves that prospect. Cavs are going to try and recoup as many picks as possible and try not to take on any bad contracts while doing it. I don't see us in running here. We have some assets to trade but the looming teams around the NBA have a treasure trove full of draft assets to throw around.

Starting to sober to the reality it might take both young bucks /:

Wouldn't Miami be able to trade both 2029 and 2031 after the 2024 draft is done?

I need to refresh my understanding of the workings of this every offseason lol

Unfortunate to have to trade both but if that’s what it takes to get Mitchell in a Heat jersey and committed long term you do it every time, we’ll see what the FO thinks. I’m hoping the Herro delusion hasn’t now moved to JJJ and Jovic but based on some things I’ve seen on here and that’s been reported I think it may have

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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