OT: The Masters

[MAQ]

So I'm gonna try to be careful here as I haven't been following the case all that closely, but wasnt the report of Scheffler driving his car with the officer on top of it provided by an eye witness? A reporter from ESPN? I could have sworn his statement was eye witness testimony and not information he received from the police.

[dougthonus]

I'm not saying that shouldn't be the result here. But if it were, I'd die a bit more inside. There have been far more egregious instances of police misconduct documented that haven't resulted in such a penalty. Can't fix those, I know. But don't show me you understand what justice may look like only when rich people are involved.

You are making a couple assumptions:

1:Someone who thinks the officer should be punished is also in a group that didn't think officers doing something even worse should be punished

2: That they are motivated to do so only because it impacted a rich person

I don't think those are assumptions that are very likely to be true for most people.

[dougthonus]

So I'm gonna try to be careful here as I haven't been following the case all that closely, but wasnt the report of Scheffler driving his car with the officer on top of it provided by an eye witness? A reporter from ESPN? I could have sworn his statement was eye witness testimony and not information he received from the police.

Sounds like the report was based on what the officer wrote as far as I can tell from this article:

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40164654/officer-dragged-ground-trying-stop-scottie-scheffler-car

[DuckIII]

So I'm gonna try to be careful here as I haven't been following the case all that closely, but wasnt the report of Scheffler driving his car with the officer on top of it provided by an eye witness? A reporter from ESPN? I could have sworn his statement was eye witness testimony and not information he received from the police.

No, that’s not the report. There were two ESPN reporters present. One reported that a police officer “attached” himself to Scheffler’s car and the other one, interviewed recently, said he didn’t see the officer grab the car but did see the officer running after the car and saw him trip on a median because it was dark.

Those are the two reports.

My best guess based on all the reports is: (a) Scheffler was told by police he could enter the way he was entering, just as numerous other golfers had already been permitted entrance (this has not been disputed by the LPD); (b) Officer Barney Fife gave a contrary instruction which Scheffler either did not hear or ignored since he’d already been told to enter that way; (c) Officer Fife became outraged because a civilian didn’t respect his authority; (d) Officer Fife tried to grab Scheffler’s car as he recklessly idled away at about 3 miles an hour; (e) Officer Fife fell on his ass; and (f) Officer Fife runs after Scheffler and stumbles, then pounds on his car, reaches inside and starts and finishes forcibly cuffing and arresting Scheffler.

And I forgot to include that before all of this Barney made sure his body cam was not on.

[Dresden]

So I'm gonna try to be careful here as I haven't been following the case all that closely, but wasnt the report of Scheffler driving his car with the officer on top of it provided by an eye witness? A reporter from ESPN? I could have sworn his statement was eye witness testimony and not information he received from the police.

No, that’s not the report. There were two ESPN reporters present. One reported that a police officer “attached” himself to Scheffler’s car and the other one, interviewed recently, said he didn’t see the officer grab the car but did see the officer running after the car and saw him trip on a median because it was dark.

Those are the two reports.

My best guess based on all the reports is: (a) Scheffler was told by police he could enter the way he was entering, just as numerous other golfers had already been permitted entrance (this has not been disputed by the LPD); (b) Officer Barney Fife gave a contrary instruction which Scheffler either did not hear or ignored since he’d already been told to enter that way; (c) Officer Fife became outraged because a civilian didn’t respect his authority; (d) Officer Fife tried to grab Scheffler’s car as he recklessly idled away at about 3 miles an hour; (e) Officer Fife fell on his ass; and (f) Officer Fife runs after Scheffler and stumbles, then pounds on his car, reaches inside and starts and finishes forcibly cuffing and arresting Scheffler.

And I forgot to include that before all of this Barney made sure his body cam was not on.

But did he load his one and only bullet into his pistol first?

[DuckIII]

So I'm gonna try to be careful here as I haven't been following the case all that closely, but wasnt the report of Scheffler driving his car with the officer on top of it provided by an eye witness? A reporter from ESPN? I could have sworn his statement was eye witness testimony and not information he received from the police.

No, that’s not the report. There were two ESPN reporters present. One reported that a police officer “attached” himself to Scheffler’s car and the other one, interviewed recently, said he didn’t see the officer grab the car but did see the officer running after the car and saw him trip on a median because it was dark.

Those are the two reports.

My best guess based on all the reports is: (a) Scheffler was told by police he could enter the way he was entering, just as numerous other golfers had already been permitted entrance (this has not been disputed by the LPD); (b) Officer Barney Fife gave a contrary instruction which Scheffler either did not hear or ignored since he’d already been told to enter that way; (c) Officer Fife became outraged because a civilian didn’t respect his authority; (d) Officer Fife tried to grab Scheffler’s car as he recklessly idled away at about 3 miles an hour; (e) Officer Fife fell on his ass; and (f) Officer Fife runs after Scheffler and stumbles, then pounds on his car, reaches inside and starts and finishes forcibly cuffing and arresting Scheffler.

And I forgot to include that before all of this Barney made sure his body cam was not on.

But did he load his one and only bullet into his pistol first?

I’m running out of incompetent police officer pop culture references.

[Dresden]

Pretty bizarre news today- Grayson Murray, who was in the field this week at the Chas. Schwab tournament, passed away this morning. Apparently he took ill yesterday. No cause of death announced. He was a two time winner on tour, but had battled alcoholism and mental health issues. Sad.

[Dresden]

Meanwhile, Scottie Scheffler doing Scottie Scheffler like things, shooting a 63 today to put himself into the final group tomorrow, 3 shots back.

[dice]

So I'm gonna try to be careful here as I haven't been following the case all that closely, but wasnt the report of Scheffler driving his car with the officer on top of it provided by an eye witness? A reporter from ESPN? I could have sworn his statement was eye witness testimony and not information he received from the police.

No, that’s not the report. There were two ESPN reporters present. One reported that a police officer “attached” himself to Scheffler’s car and the other one, interviewed recently, said he didn’t see the officer grab the car but did see the officer running after the car and saw him trip on a median because it was dark.

Those are the two reports.

My best guess based on all the reports is: (a) Scheffler was told by police he could enter the way he was entering, just as numerous other golfers had already been permitted entrance (this has not been disputed by the LPD);

has scheffler even claimed this? seems like a pretty obvious and explicit defense if true, as opposed to "misunderstanding"

Officer Fife became outraged because a civilian didn’t respect his authority;

that much is clear

Officer Fife tried to grab Scheffler’s car as he recklessly idled away at about 3 miles an hour

i have suspected something like this from the beginning. nothing in scheffler's personality/ words suggests someone prone to felonious conduct

[MAQ]

I'm not saying that shouldn't be the result here. But if it were, I'd die a bit more inside. There have been far more egregious instances of police misconduct documented that haven't resulted in such a penalty. Can't fix those, I know. But don't show me you understand what justice may look like only when rich people are involved.

You are making a couple assumptions:

1:Someone who thinks the officer should be punished is also in a group that didn't think officers doing something even worse should be punished

2: That they are motivated to do so only because it impacted a rich person

I don't think those are assumptions that are very likely to be true for most people.

My comments aren't based on or directed at the people providing opinion. Its directed at the system as a whole.

[Dresden]

The parents of Grayson Murray confirmed today that he died of suicide. Very tragic. Stan Van Gundy recently told the story of how his wife also died of suicide last year, and how hard it has been for him to deal with that.

[DuckIII]

Shocker. They dropped all charges this morning after Scheffler’s lawyer, my hero, told them they would accept one of two things: (a) every charge dropped completely; or (b) a full jury trial on every charge.

Louisville DA blinked. Wisely:

"Based upon the totality of the evidence, my office cannot move forward in the prosecution of the charges filed against Mr. Scheffler," O'Connell said. "Mr. Scheffler's characterization that this was a 'big misunderstanding' is corroborated by the evidence. The evidence we reviewed supports the conclusion that Detective Gillis was concerned for public safety at the scene when he initiated contact with Mr. Scheffler. However, Mr. Scheffler's actions and the evidence surrounding their exchange during this misunderstanding do not satisfy the elements of any criminal offenses."

But what about the wrist “swelling” and irreparably and tragically damaged pants? False police reports for the L. But at least the DA was smart enough to not die on Officer Concealment’s sword.

[dougthonus]

Shocker. They dropped all charges this morning after Scheffler’s lawyer, my hero, told them they would accept one of two things: (a) every charge dropped completely; or (b) a full jury trial on every charge.

Louisville DA blinked. Wisely:

"Based upon the totality of the evidence, my office cannot move forward in the prosecution of the charges filed against Mr. Scheffler," O'Connell said. "Mr. Scheffler's characterization that this was a 'big misunderstanding' is corroborated by the evidence. The evidence we reviewed supports the conclusion that Detective Gillis was concerned for public safety at the scene when he initiated contact with Mr. Scheffler. However, Mr. Scheffler's actions and the evidence surrounding their exchange during this misunderstanding do not satisfy the elements of any criminal offenses."

But what about the wrist “swelling” and irreparably and tragically damaged pants? False police reports for the L. But at least the DA was smart enough to die on Officer Concealment’s sword.

I would wager that there's probably nothing better in the long run for fair law enforcement than the body cam footage, and when it is inexplicably turned off, there is now cell phone video everywhere.

[DuckIII]

You know who should really love body cams? Police! It provides proof to defend yourself against false allegations which, I assume, are not all that uncommon given who police deal with much of the time. But they don’t love it. I wonder why?

[TheEndIsNigh]

You know who should really love body cams? Police! It provides proof to defend yourself against false allegations which, I assume, are not all that uncommon given who police deal with much of the time. But they don’t love it. I wonder why?

The, "if you're doing nothing wrong you'd shouldn't worry about being monitored crowd" seems to really hate the idea of being watched themselves.

[dougthonus]

The, "if you're doing nothing wrong you'd shouldn't worry about being monitored crowd" seems to really hate the idea of being watched themselves.

This is true in many ways around all types of crowds. People are pro-constraints when the constraints don't affect them in any way and are anti-constraints when they do. Very few people seem to look objectively about whether the constraints makes sense or not holistically.

[Dresden]

You know who should really love body cams? Police! It provides proof to defend yourself against false allegations which, I assume, are not all that uncommon given who police deal with much of the time. But they don’t love it. I wonder why?

I guess police are used to be given the benefit of the doubt by most in society. So having hard evidence, such as a video, can only make them look bad, I suppose is how they view it.

[Dresden]

The, "if you're doing nothing wrong you'd shouldn't worry about being monitored crowd" seems to really hate the idea of being watched themselves.

This is true in many ways around all types of crowds. People are pro-constraints when the constraints don't affect them in any way and are anti-constraints when they do. Very few people seem to look objectively about whether the constraints makes sense or not holistically.

to that point, my apartment had a burglary not too long ago, and some of us tenants wanted to push the landlady to install security cameras in the lobby and by the entrance, but surprisingly, several tenants objected, saying it would be an invasion of their privacy.

[jnrjr79]

Shocker. They dropped all charges this morning after Scheffler’s lawyer, my hero, told them they would accept one of two things: (a) every charge dropped completely; or (b) a full jury trial on every charge.

Louisville DA blinked. Wisely:

"Based upon the totality of the evidence, my office cannot move forward in the prosecution of the charges filed against Mr. Scheffler," O'Connell said. "Mr. Scheffler's characterization that this was a 'big misunderstanding' is corroborated by the evidence. The evidence we reviewed supports the conclusion that Detective Gillis was concerned for public safety at the scene when he initiated contact with Mr. Scheffler. However, Mr. Scheffler's actions and the evidence surrounding their exchange during this misunderstanding do not satisfy the elements of any criminal offenses."

But what about the wrist “swelling” and irreparably and tragically damaged pants? False police reports for the L. But at least the DA was smart enough to not die on Officer Concealment’s sword.

I wonder if these get dismissed absent the additional video that leaked that seemed to pretty clearly undermine the officer’s report.

In any event, this thing sounded totally implausible from the jump, so I’m glad it worked out this way. Let’s just keep in mind that those who aren’t the #1 golfer in the world are a hell of a lot more vulnerable to made up stuff like this.

[DuckIII]

The, "if you're doing nothing wrong you'd shouldn't worry about being monitored crowd" seems to really hate the idea of being watched themselves.

This is true in many ways around all types of crowds. People are pro-constraints when the constraints don't affect them in any way and are anti-constraints when they do. Very few people seem to look objectively about whether the constraints makes sense or not holistically.

to that point, my apartment had a burglary not too long ago, and some of us tenants wanted to push the landlady to install security cameras in the lobby and by the entrance, but surprisingly, several tenants objected, saying it would be an invasion of their privacy.

The police who don’t want body cams don’t want them because visual evidence is stronger than the blue wall of silence (and the blue wall of intentional lies).