Is Kyrie the Goat "Guard" Robin of all time?

[G35]

No, not close..

He might be the GOAT ancillary scoring option off of a heliocentric #1 though

Wasn't it said that no one but Lebron could go to the finals with Kyrie as their #2......

[mademan]

Kyrie is a number level option scoring wise, but the problem seems to be that he goes through too many stretches of the game not touching the ball. There might be a team build where he can be successful as a number 1 option, but it would have to be built in a very particular way.

Pippen still the GOAT robin tho. 6 titles is 6 titles

[Stan]

Anyone who claims Kyrie is better than Curry or Kobe should have their posting privileges removed the rest of the playoffs.

#2 option

You'd still have the likes of Frazier, Oscar, Dumars, Drexler, Manu, Wade, are we really claiming Kyrie Irving is a better Robin than ALL these guys lol. Hell, how has he even been definitively better than Murray was last year?

[SweaterBae]

You should probably stop using quotation marks if you don't know what they mean.

[doogie_hauser]

Kobe was a much bigger Robin than him.

Kobe became Batman eventually (won 2 rings without Cactus)

Never really considered him a Robin tbh.
Legendary player.

He was a huge Robin in 00-02. Shaq could have won 3 titles with Ray Allen instead of him. Better fit for one thing.

Kobe's record in games without Shaq from 99-07 is 135-137. From 99-04 it was 23-26. Kobe was not a floor raiser on those teams. Once the Lakers had the best supporting cast in the league he won some titles, but his impact compares poorly to real top 20 players like Giannis, Luka, KD, Jokic, D.Rob, Nash, etc.

No way does The Lakers win the 2010 chip without Kobe. He torched us in game 7 of that series (which I still have nightmares of)

And he didn't have exactly a great supporting cast there either really, aside from Gasol.

Kobe was rightfully revered by Lakers fans and the late Bill Russell.

I don't think he is the greatest Laker of all time (that's Kareem) but he is up there with Magic for the 2nd goat Laker (can't really split them)

[flytimes11]

Kobe was a much bigger Robin than him.

Kobe became Batman eventually (won 2 rings without Cactus)

Never really considered him a Robin tbh.
Legendary player.

He was a huge Robin in 00-02. Shaq could have won 3 titles with Ray Allen instead of him. Better fit for one thing.

Kobe's record in games without Shaq from 99-07 is 135-137. From 99-04 it was 23-26. Kobe was not a floor raiser on those teams. Once the Lakers had the best supporting cast in the league he won some titles, but his impact compares poorly to real top 20 players like Giannis, Luka, KD, Jokic, D.Rob, Nash, etc.

Oh brother people like this shouldn’t be allowed to post. Kobe won more without Shaq. Shaq played with Wade, penny, nash, Lebron outside of Kobe. Just stupid to say “insert this player and they still win” like how dumb can you be. The same numbers Kobe put up in 01 and 02 are the same numbers he put up when he was back 2 back finals mvp but he was a “huge Robin” like just stupid logic . Clown behavior.

[Camby_Bamby]

Wouldn’t call him a Robin in the 2016 Finals. He hit one of the biggest shots in NBA history on the Warriors home court.

He was the reason Cleveland got a ring. He’ll be the reason why Dallas gets one too.

[LaLover11]

You should probably stop using quotation marks if you don't know what they mean.

"Sweaterbae" is the Jordan Poole of JustBuzzin

who's your #1 Guard Robin?

[Stan]

Wouldn’t call him a Robin in the 2016 Finals. He hit one of the biggest shots in NBA history on the Warriors home court.

He was the reason Cleveland got a ring. He’ll be the reason why Dallas gets one too.

Lol

[zimpy27]

No, not close..

He might be the GOAT ancillary scoring option off of a heliocentric #1 though

Wasn't it said that no one but Lebron could go to the finals with Kyrie as their #2......

Who said that?

Pretty sure Celtics were favoured to go to finals in 2018 when he was there.

[LaLover11]

Wouldn’t call him a Robin in the 2016 Finals. He hit one of the biggest shots in NBA history on the Warriors home court.

He was the reason Cleveland got a ring. He’ll be the reason why Dallas gets one too.

Lol

Remove LeBron and Luka from those teams and replace them with Paul George/Jimmy Butler... Does Kyrie Win

[One_and_Done]

Kobe became Batman eventually (won 2 rings without Cactus)

Never really considered him a Robin tbh.
Legendary player.

He was a huge Robin in 00-02. Shaq could have won 3 titles with Ray Allen instead of him. Better fit for one thing.

Kobe's record in games without Shaq from 99-07 is 135-137. From 99-04 it was 23-26. Kobe was not a floor raiser on those teams. Once the Lakers had the best supporting cast in the league he won some titles, but his impact compares poorly to real top 20 players like Giannis, Luka, KD, Jokic, D.Rob, Nash, etc.

No way does The Lakers win the 2010 chip without Kobe. He torched us in game 7 of that series (which I still have nightmares of)

And he didn't have exactly a great supporting cast there either really, aside from Gasol.

Kobe was rightfully revered by Lakers fans and the late Bill Russell.

I don't think he is the greatest Laker of all time (that's Kareem) but he is up there with Magic for the 2nd goat Laker (can't really split them)

Sure, in 2010 they needed Kobe. The Lakers also would have won 50+ games without him in 09 &10.

Kobe had a superb supporting cast each year. Best in the league really.

[One_and_Done]

Kobe became Batman eventually (won 2 rings without Cactus)

Never really considered him a Robin tbh.
Legendary player.

He was a huge Robin in 00-02. Shaq could have won 3 titles with Ray Allen instead of him. Better fit for one thing.

Kobe's record in games without Shaq from 99-07 is 135-137. From 99-04 it was 23-26. Kobe was not a floor raiser on those teams. Once the Lakers had the best supporting cast in the league he won some titles, but his impact compares poorly to real top 20 players like Giannis, Luka, KD, Jokic, D.Rob, Nash, etc.

Oh brother people like this shouldn’t be allowed to post. Kobe won more without Shaq. Shaq played with Wade, penny, nash, Lebron outside of Kobe. Just stupid to say “insert this player and they still win” like how dumb can you be. The same numbers Kobe put up in 01 and 02 are the same numbers he put up when he was back 2 back finals mvp but he was a “huge Robin” like just stupid logic . Clown behavior.

He literally won less without Shaq, so that's factually untrue.

[Camby_Bamby]

Wouldn’t call him a Robin in the 2016 Finals. He hit one of the biggest shots in NBA history on the Warriors home court.

He was the reason Cleveland got a ring. He’ll be the reason why Dallas gets one too.

Lol

Remove LeBron and Luka from those teams and replace them with Paul George/Jimmy Butler... Does Kyrie Win

Luka hasn’t won’t without Kyrie yet and hasn’t even sniffed playoff success.

For Lebron - I Don’t know, but-

2015- no Kyrie and they lost

2016 - Kyrie comfortably outplays Curry and hits the shot of the decade

2017- Kyrie needed Lebron to outplay KD; just didn’t happen

2018 - swept without Kyrie and forced to the Western Conference.

[One_and_Done]

Lol

Remove LeBron and Luka from those teams and replace them with Paul George/Jimmy Butler... Does Kyrie Win

Luka hasn’t won’t without Kyrie yet and hasn’t even sniffed playoff success.

For Lebron - I Don’t know, but-

2015- no Kyrie and they lost

2016 - Kyrie comfortably outplays Curry and hits the shot of the decade

2017- Kyrie needed Lebron to outplay KD; just didn’t happen

2018 - swept without Kyrie and forced to the Western Conference.

Terrible and untrue narrative.

[flytimes11]

He was a huge Robin in 00-02. Shaq could have won 3 titles with Ray Allen instead of him. Better fit for one thing.

Kobe's record in games without Shaq from 99-07 is 135-137. From 99-04 it was 23-26. Kobe was not a floor raiser on those teams. Once the Lakers had the best supporting cast in the league he won some titles, but his impact compares poorly to real top 20 players like Giannis, Luka, KD, Jokic, D.Rob, Nash, etc.

Oh brother people like this shouldn’t be allowed to post. Kobe won more without Shaq. Shaq played with Wade, penny, nash, Lebron outside of Kobe. Just stupid to say “insert this player and they still win” like how dumb can you be. The same numbers Kobe put up in 01 and 02 are the same numbers he put up when he was back 2 back finals mvp but he was a “huge Robin” like just stupid logic . Clown behavior.

He literally won less without Shaq, so that's factually untrue.

Kobe went to 3 straight finals without Shaq. Shaq never even went to back 2 back finals without Kobe you clown. You prob the type that crowned Phoenix and Brooklyn champions after the harden and kd trade with that dumb replace ray Allen with Kobe logic.

Personal attacks are not allowed. Debate the post but don't insult the poster. -b

[Ito]

No kuz there’s number 1 options too I would rather have kyrie than also

[Stan]

Lol

Remove LeBron and Luka from those teams and replace them with Paul George/Jimmy Butler... Does Kyrie Win

Luka hasn’t won’t without Kyrie yet and hasn’t even sniffed playoff success.

For Lebron - I Don’t know, but-

2015- no Kyrie and they lost

2016 - Kyrie comfortably outplays Curry and hits the shot of the decade

2017- Kyrie needed Lebron to outplay KD; just didn’t happen

2018 - swept without Kyrie and forced to the Western Conference.

Just going to leave out the fact he made the Finals again without Kyrie in 2018 lol. Or that Luka was just in the conference finals 2 years ago. And your 2017 "analysis" would make even Skip Bayless blush.

[Camby_Bamby]

Remove LeBron and Luka from those teams and replace them with Paul George/Jimmy Butler... Does Kyrie Win

Luka hasn’t won’t without Kyrie yet and hasn’t even sniffed playoff success.

For Lebron - I Don’t know, but-

2015- no Kyrie and they lost

2016 - Kyrie comfortably outplays Curry and hits the shot of the decade

2017- Kyrie needed Lebron to outplay KD; just didn’t happen

2018 - swept without Kyrie and forced to the Western Conference.

Terrible and untrue narrative.

Nah. Kyrie has been the most important player during Clevelands run and Dallas' run. Timely buckets, momentum shifter, keeps the crowd involved, demoralized the opposition, and makes his teammates better.

Nothing 'Robin' about him. He's about to lead his second team to the championship.

[Camby_Bamby]

Remove LeBron and Luka from those teams and replace them with Paul George/Jimmy Butler... Does Kyrie Win

Luka hasn’t won’t without Kyrie yet and hasn’t even sniffed playoff success.

For Lebron - I Don’t know, but-

2015- no Kyrie and they lost

2016 - Kyrie comfortably outplays Curry and hits the shot of the decade

2017- Kyrie needed Lebron to outplay KD; just didn’t happen

2018 - swept without Kyrie and forced to the Western Conference.

Just going to leave out the fact he made the Finals again without Kyrie in 2018 lol. Or that Luka was just in the conference finals 2 years ago. And your 2017 "analysis" would make even Skip Bayless blush.

I just don't hold merit on Eastern Conference Finals appearances the same way Lebron fans do. I'm sorry.

I do think that argument holds currency though. Just not with me. Getting swept in 2018 just isn't an accomplishment for most NBA Fans. This is especially the case knowing that the 2018 Rockets would've swept Cleveland that year too. Didn't have to be the Warriors.