** Official 2024 Make or Break Offseason Thread **

[Ferry Avenue]

People need to be careful not to fall into the recency bias trap with Dallas. Dallas is not that great of a team. You do not want to construct a roster based off of their model. This is just a weird year for the playoffs.

In the NFL last year the Kansas City Chiefs had a pedestrian regular season for them, and then they turned on the juice and won the Super Bowl because they have the key ingredients of winning in the current NFL. Likewise Dallas has the key ingredients of winning in the current NBA.

[the_process]

Kevin O'Connor says PG is plan A(duh) but he said if the Sixers can't get Lebron/Durant/Butler, then right now Ingram is plan B. That would be kind of a disaster.

God I hope Morey doesn’t dick around all summer trying to get players that aren’t even on the trading block.

If no PG/LeBron, just go straight to Ingram.

If that’s really Morey’s list, then agreed go straight to Ingram. What the cost gonna be? Would be okay with two 1sts for Ingram, although it’s not great. More than that, and we’re looking at the Tobias trade all over again.

Why is Morey leaking all over the place? Someone over there, I assume it’s him but maybe it’s Elton, talks way too much. Play the damn cards way closer to your chest, Morey. You can give reporters stories without giving them information.

Also, the Pels are already poking around CLE, asking about Garland and Allen. Since the Cavs aren’t going to step back, it follows that Ingram would be a part of that package. Trying to outbid them would be foolish.

[FireMorey]

People need to be careful not to fall into the recency bias trap with Dallas. Dallas is not that great of a team. You do not want to construct a roster based off of their model. This is just a weird year for the playoffs.

In the NFL last year the Kansas City Chiefs had a pedestrian regular season for them, and then they turned on the juice and won the Super Bowl because they have the key ingredients of winning in the current NFL. Likewise Dallas has the key ingredients of winning in the current NBA.

They aren't winning because of "key ingredients" they are winning for a variety of factors. A lot of players are playing over their heads. They've had an easier road than other teams(ie getting OKC as a 1 seed when OKC was not a true 1 seed and were not quite ready to make a Finals run), getting Minny when their best players are going through awful shooting slumps. Last year Dallas didn't even make the playoffs with this duo.

There are no concrete ingredients to win a title, you can win with really any ingredients as long as the players are good and luck falls your way. The Sixers have had the ingredients multiple times over, the luck factor just hasn't fallen their way yet with injuries.

Last year Denver had the "key ingredients" too and this year they got beat by a Minny team that struggles to score. So, they didn't have the key ingredients this year with virtually the same exact team? It's just this year the circumstances didn't go their way and they didn't execute on the court the level they did last year.

[ProcessDoctor]

God I hope Morey doesn’t dick around all summer trying to get players that aren’t even on the trading block.

If no PG/LeBron, just go straight to Ingram.

If that’s really Morey’s list, then agreed go straight to Ingram. What the cost gonna be? Would be okay with two 1sts for Ingram, although it’s not great. More than that, and we’re looking at the Tobias trade all over again.

Why is Morey leaking all over the place? Someone over there, I assume it’s him but maybe it’s Elton, talks way too much. Play the damn cards way closer to your chest, Morey. You can give reporters stories without giving them information.

Also, the Pels are already poking around CLE, asking about Garland and Allen. Since the Cavs aren’t going to step back, it follows that Ingram would be a part of that package. Trying to outbid them would be foolish.

Ingram to Cleveland would be the biggest disaster for us. Would mean Mitchell signed long-term and is also off the table. You have to hope we have PG in the bag in that scenario, assuming LeBron went back to LAL.

Don’t think it’s worth mentioning Butler/Durant because every report indicates they’re not on the block.

[the_process]

If that’s really Morey’s list, then agreed go straight to Ingram. What the cost gonna be? Would be okay with two 1sts for Ingram, although it’s not great. More than that, and we’re looking at the Tobias trade all over again.

Why is Morey leaking all over the place? Someone over there, I assume it’s him but maybe it’s Elton, talks way too much. Play the damn cards way closer to your chest, Morey. You can give reporters stories without giving them information.

Also, the Pels are already poking around CLE, asking about Garland and Allen. Since the Cavs aren’t going to step back, it follows that Ingram would be a part of that package. Trying to outbid them would be foolish.

Ingram to Cleveland would be the biggest disaster for us. Would mean Mitchell signed long-term and is also off the table. You have to hope we have PG in the bag in that scenario, assuming LeBron went back to LAL.

Don’t think it’s worth mentioning Butler/Durant because every report indicates they’re not on the block.

Early indicators point toward Mitchell re-signing in CLE. That probably makes Garland available.

First shoe to drop this summer is whether or not Ballmer increases the offer to PG. If he doesn’t, PG is coming East. He’s not leaving 50M on the table to stay home. I don’t think he’d even leave 20M on the table, but we’ll see. And is Kawhi ok with George getting paid significantly more than him?

If not PG, then we get into the grossness that is LeBron Inc. A max deal for a (practically) 40 year old. And Morey will have to take Bronny in the 1st and guarantee all 4 years to even get in the game; which is an absolute waste of an asset, a roster spot, and time.

[mjkvol]

God I hope Morey doesn’t dick around all summer trying to get players that aren’t even on the trading block.

If no PG/LeBron, just go straight to Ingram.

I would far prefer for Morey to "dick around" and wait for the right moves rather than diving in and doing something stupid, like giving a max contract to an aging "star" or trading assets for a lesser player just because media "experts" have deemed these to be his only options. Even if it takes the whole damn summer.

And field what team next year? Phoenix 2.0?

Durant isn’t going anywhere and Riley will extract every ounce of value in a Butler trade, which would be well after every helpful FA is off the market.

Morey can’t afford to miss out this summer.

I would rather he fill out the roster with tradeable contracts that can be dealt before the deadline to destroying the next 2-3 seasons with a dreadful max contract for an older player.

I don't think it will come to that - I've said it a dozen times already, but I don't believe our choices will be limited to exactly what we (and the media "insiders") see right at this moment. We're already getting whispers of more players potentially being available (Mitchell, Anonoby), and the floodgates will open once the off season is under way.

The new cap rules are going to force teams to make hard decisions, and we are in a position to pounce that would be eliminated by one knee-jerk shortsighted signing that kills our flexibility.

[ProcessDoctor]

I would far prefer for Morey to "dick around" and wait for the right moves rather than diving in and doing something stupid, like giving a max contract to an aging "star" or trading assets for a lesser player just because media "experts" have deemed these to be his only options. Even if it takes the whole damn summer.

And field what team next year? Phoenix 2.0?

Durant isn’t going anywhere and Riley will extract every ounce of value in a Butler trade, which would be well after every helpful FA is off the market.

Morey can’t afford to miss out this summer.

I would rather he fill out the roster with tradeable contracts that can be dealt before the deadline to destroying the next 2-3 seasons with a dreadful max contract for an older player.

I don't think it will come to that - I've said it a dozen times already, but I don't believe our choices will be limited to exactly what we (and the media "insiders") see right at this moment. We're already getting whispers of more players potentially being available (Mitchell, Anonoby), and the floodgates will open once the off season is under way.

The new cap rules are going to force teams to make hard decisions, and we are in a position to pounce that would be eliminated by one knee-jerk shortsighted signing that kills our flexibility.

I'll wait and see. I think people are going to be surprised at how quickly we go from having ~10 "options" to 1-2. There's a good chance if we don't get PG or Ingram, we'll be wishing that a player of their caliber becomes available.

[eyeatoma]

For people who didn't read the KOC article.

Looks like PG, Ingram, trades or one year contracts to move us into positions for future trades. I swear this **** is so depressing.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/27/24165548/philadelphia-76ers-paul-george-nba-trade-rumors-offseason

[eyeatoma]

Keith up to his usual **** too...

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=1bMmDuG4g9aWZg7fFjWFgw

[Stanford]

Just do a good job, Daryl. Don't care what it is. Just do a good job.

[the_process]

Keith up to his usual **** too...

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=1bMmDuG4g9aWZg7fFjWFgw

Keith writes whatever agents tell him to.

[ProcessDoctor]

Anything Pompey you can just throw in the trash because it's nonsense or partially recirculated from other more credible authors.

[the_process]

For people who didn't read the KOC article.

Looks like PG, Ingram, trades or one year contracts to move us into positions for future trades. I swear this **** is so depressing.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/27/24165548/philadelphia-76ers-paul-george-nba-trade-rumors-offseason

Morey is going to have to be more creative than KOC if PG isn’t coming.

Also, again, way too many “sources familiar with Philly’s thinking”. Stop with the leaking Morey. Or Brand.

[ProcessDoctor]

For people who didn't read the KOC article.

Looks like PG, Ingram, trades or one year contracts to move us into positions for future trades. I swear this **** is so depressing.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/27/24165548/philadelphia-76ers-paul-george-nba-trade-rumors-offseason

Yea I think it's important to realize KOC mentioned Butler and Durant as pipedreams, and not as realistic Morey targets. KOC also says it's widely expected that LeBron will go back to LAL and OG back to NYK.

That leaves the "realistic" top Morey targets as George and Ingram. Pros and cons to each, but like I've said, we need to hope we land one of them. Things will be pretty dire if we don't.

[mjkvol]

For people who didn't read the KOC article.

Looks like PG, Ingram, trades or one year contracts to move us into positions for future trades. I swear this **** is so depressing.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/27/24165548/philadelphia-76ers-paul-george-nba-trade-rumors-offseason

I don't read any of that garbage unless it's posted here, and I refuse to pretend that these "insiders" who are nothing more than useful idiots for agents and GM's that need clicks to make a living are the final word on what will happen.

I'll get depressed if and when Morey actually acts on idiocy like the idea of handing a 34-year old a $200+ mil contract to come to a place he really doesn't want to play, or overpays with picks for another "3rd star".

There will be opportunities none of these clowns have a clue about right now, but they need the clicks, and this is all there is at the moment.

[mjkvol]

\
That leaves the "realistic" top Morey targets as George and Ingram. Pros and cons to each, but like I've said, we need to hope we land one of them. Things will be pretty dire if we don't.

As of May 27, that might be true. By draft day, I'll bet the landscape starts looking much different.

[ProcessDoctor]

For people who didn't read the KOC article.

Looks like PG, Ingram, trades or one year contracts to move us into positions for future trades. I swear this **** is so depressing.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/27/24165548/philadelphia-76ers-paul-george-nba-trade-rumors-offseason

I don't read any of that garbage unless it's posted here, and I refuse to pretend that these "insiders" who are nothing more than useful idiots for agents and GM's that need clicks to make a living are the final word on what will happen.

I'll get depressed if and when Morey actually acts on idiocy like the idea of handing a 34-year old a $200+ mil contract to come to a place he really doesn't want to play, or overpays with picks for another "3rd star".

There will be opportunities none of these clowns have a clue about right now, but they need the clicks, and this is all there is at the moment.

I hope so. For me, it's tough to see a scenario where other studs become available (i.e. Mikal, Lauri, Mitchell) and we aren't outbid by teams like San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Houston, New York, and Brooklyn who are all loaded with draft capital and young/rotation players.

[GutUNC]

God I hope Morey doesn’t dick around all summer trying to get players that aren’t even on the trading block.

If no PG/LeBron, just go straight to Ingram.

If that’s really Morey’s list, then agreed go straight to Ingram. What the cost gonna be? Would be okay with two 1sts for Ingram, although it’s not great. More than that, and we’re looking at the Tobias trade all over again.

Why is Morey leaking all over the place? Someone over there, I assume it’s him but maybe it’s Elton, talks way too much. Play the damn cards way closer to your chest, Morey. You can give reporters stories without giving them information.

Ingram is a great example of a distressed asset. One year ago I think most people would’ve killed to acquire him in a Harden trade.

For example, think of Aaron Gordon’s value now vs when he was traded to Denver. Nobody wanted him. Turns out he was just in the wrong situation. It’s extremely difficult to get a good-great player at their peak.

Ingram is a connector for Maxey and Embiid the way Gordon is to Murray and Jokic. None of them are the same players, but the way they fit together I think enhances each of their individual abilities.

I don't see the analogy there. Gordon is an elite role player, Ingram is mostly a scorer who needs the ball in his hands and I don't see how he makes Maxey or Embiid materially better. Oh, and he also needs a raise soon.

[GutUNC]

People need to be careful not to fall into the recency bias trap with Dallas. Dallas is not that great of a team. You do not want to construct a roster based off of their model. This is just a weird year for the playoffs.

In the NFL last year the Kansas City Chiefs had a pedestrian regular season for them, and then they turned on the juice and won the Super Bowl because they have the key ingredients of winning in the current NFL. Likewise Dallas has the key ingredients of winning in the current NBA.

They aren't winning because of "key ingredients" they are winning for a variety of factors. A lot of players are playing over their heads. They've had an easier road than other teams(ie getting OKC as a 1 seed when OKC was not a true 1 seed and were not quite ready to make a Finals run), getting Minny when their best players are going through awful shooting slumps. Last year Dallas didn't even make the playoffs with this duo.

There are no concrete ingredients to win a title, you can win with really any ingredients as long as the players are good and luck falls your way. The Sixers have had the ingredients multiple times over, the luck factor just hasn't fallen their way yet with injuries.

Last year Denver had the "key ingredients" too and this year they got beat by a Minny team that struggles to score. So, they didn't have the key ingredients this year with virtually the same exact team? It's just this year the circumstances didn't go their way and they didn't execute on the court the level they did last year.

Also, Patrick Mahomes. To act like he's not a major outlier here is disingenuous.

[mjkvol]

For people who didn't read the KOC article.

Looks like PG, Ingram, trades or one year contracts to move us into positions for future trades. I swear this **** is so depressing.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/5/27/24165548/philadelphia-76ers-paul-george-nba-trade-rumors-offseason

I don't read any of that garbage unless it's posted here, and I refuse to pretend that these "insiders" who are nothing more than useful idiots for agents and GM's that need clicks to make a living are the final word on what will happen.

I'll get depressed if and when Morey actually acts on idiocy like the idea of handing a 34-year old a $200+ mil contract to come to a place he really doesn't want to play, or overpays with picks for another "3rd star".

There will be opportunities none of these clowns have a clue about right now, but they need the clicks, and this is all there is at the moment.

I hope so. For me, it's tough to see a scenario where other studs become available (i.e. Mikal, Lauri, Mitchell) and we aren't outbid by teams like San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Houston, New York, and Brooklyn who are all loaded with draft capital and young/rotation players.

It's not only about "studs", it's finding the next Aaron Gordons, Derrick Jones Jr.'s, Daniel Gaffords, Bruce Browns, and PJ Washingtons - role players that fit what Nurse wants to do before they're being paid. Those guys are around, and it's Morey & Co.'s job to root them out. Oubre was a classic example.