Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25

[165bows]

Hadn’t fake traded in awhile, must have gotten the itch. From the trade board:

Nurkic. Little, Allen, Roddy (option picked up), signed #22 (needs signing for $), 2031 unprotected pick, a bevy of swaps for Butler.

WAS gets Roddy, #22, whatever salaries Miami doesn’t want, maybe a 2nd option future first swap, sends Kuzma and whatever else in the value bin to Miami.

Miami sends Butler for Kuzma, G. Allen and whatever is left over salary-wise plus an unprotected 2031 Phoenix pick and some juicy swaps.

[Parliament10]

Knowing that the cap is going up every year, Brad has no reason not to resign their current players that preform to the teams expectations. That means since Brown, Pritchard and Holiday are already locked up long term:

1) Extending White for 4 years at least, at whatever money it takes.
2) Maxing out Tatum as the first chance available
3) Extending Porzingis when the time comes.
4) Signing Horford to a player option deal at 10 mil for another two years.
5) Extending Hauser on a reasonable contract
6) Extending Kornet, Tillman AND Queta on just a bit above a minimum deal.

Thats 11 roster spots. Add in the rookie deals of Walsh and Springer, along with Brissett's player option contract, we should have 14 roster spots filled. The only one that may come open is Svi's spot. I guess that will depend on what Brad does during the draft. If he uses our first-round pick, then I expect Svi is gone. We do need an athletic score off the bench though, and I don't think Davison is ready for the big team yet, and Walsh is a defender not a scorer, (in my eyes). Really not sure what the stipulations are for us in signing a free agent though.

White, Pritchard, Springer
Holiday, Hauser, Walsh
Brown, Brissett, (??????)
Tatum, Horford, Tillman
Porzingis, Kornet, Queta

Looks good. I see it slighty different. I'm not so sure that Brissett and Springer will be on the Team.

Celtics Roster, Proposed, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum - Porzingis
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Tillman/Horford/Kornet
Reserves: Davison - XXXX - Walsh - XXXX - Queta
Two-Ways: Peterson - 2nd Rnd'er/Undrafted (x 2)

[Celts17Pride]

I think there is 0.0% chance both Tillman and Kornet will be back. I think Tillman goes.

[snowman]

I think there is 0.0% chance both Tillman and Kornet will be back. I think Tillman goes.

First, let me say I think both need to be back, along with Queta, and predict all three will be here next season. Now, with that said, I think would be gone Kornet before Tillman. We have a Kornet replacement in Queta and on a team option for next year. Tillman is our Big Al replacement down the road. Also, I don't think Brad would have given up 2 2nd round picks for a half a year rental of Tillman.
Porzingis, Kornet and Queta as our rotation at the 5
Tatum, Big Al and Tillman our rotation at the 4,
with Big Al being able to flip to either spot is just what this team needs going forward to cover any injury, rest and back-to-back games we have.

I think Svi is the one to go, to open a roster spot for another athletic wing since he got no run this season. On our 2nd team we have shooters in Pritchard and (usually) Hauser, Horford and to some extent Kornet, defenders /hustle guys in Queta, Tillman, Brissett, Walsh and Springer. The only thing we don't have is an athletic scoring wing that can run with Pritchard, Hauser, Horford and Kornet. If Brad can find that guy as a minimum contract the roster will be full.

[Memokerobi]

I think there is 0.0% chance both Tillman and Kornet will be back. I think Tillman goes.

Likely but I think there is a real chance of Horford retiring if we win the title this year. In that case they would try to keep Tillman. I think going through a full offseason program with the team would help Tillman a lot

[Celts17Pride]

I think there is 0.0% chance both Tillman and Kornet will be back. I think Tillman goes.

Likely but I think there is a real chance of Horford retiring if we win the title this year. In that case they would try to keep Tillman. I think going through a full offseason program with the team would help Tillman a lot

People keep bringing this up, Horford has $9.5 million guaranteed contract next year. No way he leaves that on the table.

[Parliament10]

I think there is 0.0% chance both Tillman and Kornet will be back. I think Tillman goes.

Likely but I think there is a real chance of Horford retiring if we win the title this year. In that case they would try to keep Tillman. I think going through a full offseason program with the team would help Tillman a lot

People keep bringing this up, Horford has $9.5 million guaranteed contract next year. No way he leaves that on the table.

Agreed. IDK if he re-ups after that. He at least, can go another year (2024-25).
He's coming off the Bench anyway, as a Super 6th-Man.

[RickyDizzle]

I think there is 0.0% chance both Tillman and Kornet will be back. I think Tillman goes.

Likely but I think there is a real chance of Horford retiring if we win the title this year. In that case they would try to keep Tillman. I think going through a full offseason program with the team would help Tillman a lot

People keep bringing this up, Horford has $9.5 million guaranteed contract next year. No way he leaves that on the table.

Career earnings must be over 200 mil, if he accomplished his ultimate career goal, hits 38, and a 17-year career... retirement is totally reasonable.

9.5 million would be hard for you to walk away from, but for a guy that made so much money, that's actually much less than he makes in a "typical year." He could make less than his career average pay at 38 or just walk away and live comfortably forever on his career earnings. I don't know his thinking, but there's a real decision to be made for sure.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Kuzma, that's who I'm talking about as Al's replacement.

LOL.

And I would have never guessed that Wemby and Holmgren aren't available.

Can you believe it?

Next, you'll be telling me that Markannen is off the Celtics radar too.

Noooo... Dear Lord, take the blackness away.

Seriously, I don't care how shallow the Big Man Pool of Al replacements is, there has to be someone who can
do a decent job and a team willing to take a chance on multiple picks.

But, what athlete gives up $10 million these days, even though he's 50 percent the player he was, so yes, Al is probably going to be back.

Tillman seems pretty good as the Al Horford replacement. Give him a full season and he should fit in even better.
Just has to improve upon those 3's.

I think Tillman will be valuable going forward too. I also think that we really ought to develop Queta. I think I am higher on his potential than most (I think you are too). I thought he was impactful already this year, and still has upside that will only be reached with development and playing time, but I think investment in him will really pay off. I like those two young bigs.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Kuzma, that's who I'm talking about as Al's replacement.

LOL.

And I would have never guessed that Wemby and Holmgren aren't available.

Can you believe it?

Next, you'll be telling me that Markannen is off the Celtics radar too.

Noooo... Dear Lord, take the blackness away.

Seriously, I don't care how shallow the Big Man Pool of Al replacements is, there has to be someone who can
do a decent job and a team willing to take a chance on multiple picks.

But, what athlete gives up $10 million these days, even though he's 50 percent the player he was, so yes, Al is probably going to be back.

Tillman seems pretty good as the Al Horford replacement. Give him a full season and he should fit in even better.
Just has to improve upon those 3's.

I think Tillman will be valuable going forward too. I also think that we really ought to develop Queta. I think I am higher on his potential than most (I think you are too). I thought he was impactful already this year, and still has upside that will only be reached with development and playing time, but I think investment in him will really pay off. I like those two young bigs.

They need a young quality healthy Big and a Playoff Scorer at the Wing position. Those are their two major weaknesses these days.
I'll agree that Queta has some long term potential and Kornet is better suited to when they play slower teams

[Celts17Pride]

Kuzma, that's who I'm talking about as Al's replacement.

LOL.

And I would have never guessed that Wemby and Holmgren aren't available.

Can you believe it?

Next, you'll be telling me that Markannen is off the Celtics radar too.

Noooo... Dear Lord, take the blackness away.

Seriously, I don't care how shallow the Big Man Pool of Al replacements is, there has to be someone who can
do a decent job and a team willing to take a chance on multiple picks.

But, what athlete gives up $10 million these days, even though he's 50 percent the player he was, so yes, Al is probably going to be back.

Tillman seems pretty good as the Al Horford replacement. Give him a full season and he should fit in even better.
Just has to improve upon those 3's.

I think Tillman will be valuable going forward too. I also think that we really ought to develop Queta. I think I am higher on his potential than most (I think you are too). I thought he was impactful already this year, and still has upside that will only be reached with development and playing time, but I think investment in him will really pay off. I like those two young bigs.

I think people need to look at what is the salary going to be for Queta, Tillman and Kornet. Once you you that, it will be easy to see who stays and who goes. Remember the Celtics still probably have to pony up $30+ million for Derrick White.

If it comes down to a choice between Derrick White and going with Queta and a rookie vs paying Tillman and Kornet then I think the choice is pretty easy.

[Celts17Pride]

Likely but I think there is a real chance of Horford retiring if we win the title this year. In that case they would try to keep Tillman. I think going through a full offseason program with the team would help Tillman a lot

People keep bringing this up, Horford has $9.5 million guaranteed contract next year. No way he leaves that on the table.

Career earnings must be over 200 mil, if he accomplished his ultimate career goal, hits 38, and a 17-year career... retirement is totally reasonable.

9.5 million would be hard for you to walk away from, but for a guy that made so much money, that's actually much less than he makes in a "typical year." He could make less than his career average pay at 38 or just walk away and live comfortably forever on his career earnings. I don't know his thinking, but there's a real decision to be made for sure.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Horford plays another 3 more years.

[RickyDizzle]

People keep bringing this up, Horford has $9.5 million guaranteed contract next year. No way he leaves that on the table.

Career earnings must be over 200 mil, if he accomplished his ultimate career goal, hits 38, and a 17-year career... retirement is totally reasonable.

9.5 million would be hard for you to walk away from, but for a guy that made so much money, that's actually much less than he makes in a "typical year." He could make less than his career average pay at 38 or just walk away and live comfortably forever on his career earnings. I don't know his thinking, but there's a real decision to be made for sure.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Horford plays another 3 more years.

I doubt he'd be selling his house if that was the plan:
https://robbreport.com/shelter/celebrity-homes/al-horford-house-boston-1235627279/

[Celts17Pride]

Career earnings must be over 200 mil, if he accomplished his ultimate career goal, hits 38, and a 17-year career... retirement is totally reasonable.

9.5 million would be hard for you to walk away from, but for a guy that made so much money, that's actually much less than he makes in a "typical year." He could make less than his career average pay at 38 or just walk away and live comfortably forever on his career earnings. I don't know his thinking, but there's a real decision to be made for sure.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Horford plays another 3 more years.

I doubt he'd be selling his house if that was the plan:
https://robbreport.com/shelter/celebrity-homes/al-horford-house-boston-1235627279/

People buy and sell homes all the time. We'll see.

[165bows]

Getting really itchy to start fake trading Pritchard again lol. Someone tell how me he is amazing at defending Kyrie Irving because he's giving up about 7" to Dante Exum on the other bench.

[djFan71]

Getting really itchy to start fake trading Pritchard again lol. Someone tell how me he is amazing at defending Kyrie Irving because he's giving up about 7" to Dante Exum on the other bench.

I already did a few days ago, lol. The itch is strong.

[Celts17Pride]

Getting really itchy to start fake trading Pritchard again lol. Someone tell how me he is amazing at defending Kyrie Irving because he's giving up about 7" to Dante Exum on the other bench.

I already did a few days ago, lol. The itch is strong.

Honestly I think the draft will give a ton of answers what the Celtics intend to do with Pritchard, Kornet, Tillman, Springer, Walsh, Queta etc.

Let's see what position they draft. For example, if the Celtics draft a 6'5" point guard that might give you an idea of what they intend to do with Pritchard. If the Celtics draft a big man then they probably won't bring back Kornet and Tillman.

[Hal14]

I think Svi is the one to go, to open a roster spot for another athletic wing since he got no run this season. On our 2nd team we have shooters in Pritchard and (usually) Hauser, Horford and to some extent Kornet, defenders /hustle guys in Queta, Tillman, Brissett, Walsh and Springer. The only thing we don't have is an athletic scoring wing that can run with Pritchard, Hauser, Horford and Kornet. If Brad can find that guy as a minimum contract the roster will be full.

A few thoughts:

-I'm not sure you'd need to necessarily need to Pritchard, Hauser, Kornet, Horford and another bench player all at the same time. Most teams (celtics included) typically only put 3 or 4 bench guys (at most) in the game at the same time..unless it's a blowout.

-Keeping at least 1 or 2 starters on the floor at all times allows us to have enough scoring on the floor.

-It seems like Brad likes having a bench where everyone is either a shooting specialist (Hauser, Pritchard, Svi, Grant when he was here, Brogdon when he was here) or a defensive specialist (Tillman, Stevens, Walsh, Springer). The exceptions are Brissett (energy/hustle/rebounding specialist, more of a defensive guy than an offensive one), Kornet and Queta (they're moreso lob catcher/screen setter/rim protector guys who also specialize in being 7 feet tall).

Then there was Banton who was pretty unique..he just specialized in being a 6'8" PG who could pressure the rim well, defend multiple positions & push the pace..). None of them were specialists at scoring (except Brogdon) and certainly none of them were "athletic wing scorers" so I'm not sure that's an archetype Brad goes for in a bench player

-If Brad does want to pursue that type of player, there's Jamir Watkins..who we could target in the draft..

[Hal14]

Tillman seems pretty good as the Al Horford replacement. Give him a full season and he should fit in even better.
Just has to improve upon those 3's.

I think Tillman will be valuable going forward too. I also think that we really ought to develop Queta. I think I am higher on his potential than most (I think you are too). I thought he was impactful already this year, and still has upside that will only be reached with development and playing time, but I think investment in him will really pay off. I like those two young bigs.

I think people need to look at what is the salary going to be for Queta, Tillman and Kornet. Once you you that, it will be easy to see who stays and who goes. Remember the Celtics still probably have to pony up $30+ million for Derrick White.

If it comes down to a choice between Derrick White and going with Queta and a rookie vs paying Tillman and Kornet then I think the choice is pretty easy.

If White signs an extension, it wouldn't kick in until the 25-26 season so it wouldn't really have any impact on our salary cap situation for next season (next season he'll still be on a cheap contract..and Tatum won't be on his supermax yet..)

Also, there's no reason why the team would have to choose between White and Tillman/Kornet. The rules allow for teams to go over the cap in order to retain their own guys.

It'll be an expensive roster but Wyc knows that..he knows he's over the 2nd apron and will be over it for the foreseeable future..he has already stated multiple times publicly that he's fine with going over the apron and paying up in order to maximize this 6 year championship window.

[djFan71]

Getting really itchy to start fake trading Pritchard again lol. Someone tell how me he is amazing at defending Kyrie Irving because he's giving up about 7" to Dante Exum on the other bench.

I already did a few days ago, lol. The itch is strong.

Honestly I think the draft will give a ton of answers what the Celtics intend to do with Pritchard, Kornet, Tillman, Springer, Walsh, Queta etc.

Let's see what position they draft. For example, if the Celtics draft a 6'5" point guard that might give you an idea of what they intend to do with Pritchard. If the Celtics draft a big man then they probably won't bring back Kornet and Tillman.

I'm not sure I completely agree. I get the point, but where we're drafting isn't going to return a guy we are going to base other moves on for next year, imo. I think you make decisions about the current guys as it relates to winning next season. The draft you look at BPA/longer term needs.

Even in my fake Pritchard trade, I took a stretch 4 (Da Silva) with the returned pick, and Sallis as the 6'5" combo guard. But also brought back Seth Curry as vet guard behind Jrue/White in case none of Springer, Sallis or JD were able to claim that spot.

Main point is I don't think you can go into the season relying on a draft pick or Springer, Walsh to be in the rotation when you're hoping to win a title. Tillman/Queta possibly over Kornet - I'd say it's 30/70 that all 3 are back. But, I don't think a pick means anything to our current guys - esp the ones that have played in the playoffs. A center might be the exception, but I don't see us grabbing one. But if Daron Holmes falls to 30, it could get interesting and I take all that back.