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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 

Post#381 » by Hal14 » Wed May 29, 2024 7:08 pm

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Likely but I think there is a real chance of Horford retiring if we win the title this year. In that case they would try to keep Tillman. I think going through a full offseason program with the team would help Tillman a lot

People keep bringing this up, Horford has $9.5 million guaranteed contract next year. No way he leaves that on the table.


Career earnings must be over 200 mil, if he accomplished his ultimate career goal, hits 38, and a 17-year career... retirement is totally reasonable.

9.5 million would be hard for you to walk away from, but for a guy that made so much money, that's actually much less than he makes in a "typical year." He could make less than his career average pay at 38 or just walk away and live comfortably forever on his career earnings. I don't know his thinking, but there's a real decision to be made for sure.

I would be pretty surprised if Horford retired. And am also surprised that people on here keep talking about it.

Is there any precedence (at least recently, like in the past 10 years or so) for a guy to retire when he still clearly is capable of playing at a high level? I mean, he's completely healthy, never gets hurt. Was top 25 in the entire league this season in many advanced stat categories. Was the 6th man on the best team in the league..contributed more to winning than probably any bench player in the league, started like half of his team's games. Has played well in the playoffs. A guy who is still playing this well and is completely healthy..like, when is the last time a guy like that retired? Not to mention he still has another year left on his contract for $10 mil.

And it's less about the money but IMO, it seems like Horford is a man of his word. When he signed that contract extension, he was giving his word (his commitment) to the celtics organization that he would play out that contract for the team. He does not seem like the type of guy to just be like "peace out..good luck!" when he still has time left on his contract, which would put the team in a bind.

I mean, Jeff Green is old as hell. He finally got a ring last season with the nuggets. Did he retire? Nope. And he didn't even have a contract so it would've been easy for him to retire. But he signed a FA contract with Houston. Why? Because he loves the game, he's healthy enough and good enough to keep playing..and because a team offered him some decent money.

Ish Smith is old, finally won a title last year with Denver..he didn't retire..neither did Deandre Jordan.

Year before that, Warriors won the title. Iguodala was old, won another title..did he retire? Nope, he played one more year. And probably would have kept playing but at that point he wasn't good anymore - not nearly as good as Horford still is.

Klay is washed..has won a bunch of rings but he's still playing..

LeBron is still going..PJ Tucker finally won a ring with the Bucks in 2021..he was washed this season but kept on playing..didn't retire got traded to the Clippers..

Rondo won multiple rings, including another ring in 2020. He was old and could've retired after that ring in 2020..but he kept playing another couple of years - for like 6 different teams lol.

Griffin retired but only because his body is ready to be donated to the museum of science :)
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Post#382 » by BK_2020 » Wed May 29, 2024 7:58 pm

It's really easy to turn down $10 million for somebody else. A lot harder if you are the one who's being offered that money.
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Post#383 » by shackles10 » Wed May 29, 2024 7:59 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:People keep bringing this up, Horford has $9.5 million guaranteed contract next year. No way he leaves that on the table.


Career earnings must be over 200 mil, if he accomplished his ultimate career goal, hits 38, and a 17-year career... retirement is totally reasonable.

9.5 million would be hard for you to walk away from, but for a guy that made so much money, that's actually much less than he makes in a "typical year." He could make less than his career average pay at 38 or just walk away and live comfortably forever on his career earnings. I don't know his thinking, but there's a real decision to be made for sure.

I would be pretty surprised if Horford retired. And am also surprised that people on here keep talking about it.

Is there any precedence (at least recently, like in the past 10 years or so) for a guy to retire when he still clearly is capable of playing at a high level? I mean, he's completely healthy, never gets hurt. Was top 25 in the entire league this season in many advanced stat categories. Was the 6th man on the best team in the league..contributed more to winning than probably any bench player in the league, started like half of his team's games. Has played well in the playoffs. A guy who is still playing this well and is completely healthy..like, when is the last time a guy like that retired? Not to mention he still has another year left on his contract for $10 mil.

And it's less about the money but IMO, it seems like Horford is a man of his word. When he signed that contract extension, he was giving his word (his commitment) to the celtics organization that he would play out that contract for the team. He does not seem like the type of guy to just be like "peace out..good luck!" when he still has time left on his contract, which would put the team in a bind.

I mean, Jeff Green is old as hell. He finally got a ring last season with the nuggets. Did he retire? Nope. And he didn't even have a contract so it would've been easy for him to retire. But he signed a FA contract with Houston. Why? Because he loves the game, he's healthy enough and good enough to keep playing..and because a team offered him some decent money.

Ish Smith is old, finally won a title last year with Denver..he didn't retire..neither did Deandre Jordan.

Year before that, Warriors won the title. Iguodala was old, won another title..did he retire? Nope, he played one more year. And probably would have kept playing but at that point he wasn't good anymore - not nearly as good as Horford still is.

Klay is washed..has won a bunch of rings but he's still playing..

LeBron is still going..PJ Tucker finally won a ring with the Bucks in 2021..he was washed this season but kept on playing..didn't retire got traded to the Clippers..

Rondo won multiple rings, including another ring in 2020. He was old and could've retired after that ring in 2020..but he kept playing another couple of years - for like 6 different teams lol.

Griffin retired but only because his body is ready to be donated to the museum of science :)


Ok fine, but if Al wins a ring then I'm retiring. I just haven't told my employer, my family, or my bank accont. None of whom will support my decision...
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Post#384 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed May 29, 2024 8:15 pm

I'm willing to buy and move into Horford's house if it includes the iconic grill pictured below...

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Post#385 » by Parliament10 » Wed May 29, 2024 8:20 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:I'm willing to buy and move into Horford's house if it includes the iconic grill pictured below...

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Post#386 » by shackles10 » Wed May 29, 2024 9:13 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:I'm willing to buy and move into Horford's house if it includes the iconic grill pictured below...

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I'm willing to do the move into part but can't afford to buy. I'm willing to get a headstart on squatter's rights as soon as the Horford's aren't looking though.
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Post#387 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed May 29, 2024 9:18 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:I'm willing to buy and move into Horford's house if it includes the iconic grill pictured below...

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I'm willing to do the move into part but can't afford to buy. I'm willing to get a headstart on squatter's rights as soon as the Horford's aren't looking though.

Willingness to buy and ability to buy are two different things. Hopefully, my willingness is all that's required to acquire the Horfords house.
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Post#388 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed May 29, 2024 9:20 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:I'm willing to buy and move into Horford's house if it includes the iconic grill pictured below...

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I'm willing to do the move into part but can't afford to buy. I'm willing to get a headstart on squatter's rights as soon as the Horford's aren't looking though.

Willingness to buy and ability to buy are two different things. Hopefully, my willingness is all that's required to acquire the Horfords house. I will then save a room for you or whichever CsRGM poster would want to stay over and try out the grill.
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Post#389 » by 165bows » Thu May 30, 2024 2:02 am

BK_2020 wrote:It's really easy to turn down $10 million for somebody else. A lot harder if you are the one who's being offered that money.

Plus people forget that people who have notoriety for their intense commitment to collect financial and professional rewards tend to have an intense commitment to collecting financial and professional rewards.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 

Post#390 » by RickyDizzle » Thu May 30, 2024 4:14 am

Hal14 wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:People keep bringing this up, Horford has $9.5 million guaranteed contract next year. No way he leaves that on the table.


Career earnings must be over 200 mil, if he accomplished his ultimate career goal, hits 38, and a 17-year career... retirement is totally reasonable.

9.5 million would be hard for you to walk away from, but for a guy that made so much money, that's actually much less than he makes in a "typical year." He could make less than his career average pay at 38 or just walk away and live comfortably forever on his career earnings. I don't know his thinking, but there's a real decision to be made for sure.

I would be pretty surprised if Horford retired. And am also surprised that people on here keep talking about it.

Is there any precedence (at least recently, like in the past 10 years or so) for a guy to retire when he still clearly is capable of playing at a high level? I mean, he's completely healthy, never gets hurt. Was top 25 in the entire league this season in many advanced stat categories. Was the 6th man on the best team in the league..contributed more to winning than probably any bench player in the league, started like half of his team's games. Has played well in the playoffs. A guy who is still playing this well and is completely healthy..like, when is the last time a guy like that retired? Not to mention he still has another year left on his contract for $10 mil.

And it's less about the money but IMO, it seems like Horford is a man of his word. When he signed that contract extension, he was giving his word (his commitment) to the celtics organization that he would play out that contract for the team. He does not seem like the type of guy to just be like "peace out..good luck!" when he still has time left on his contract, which would put the team in a bind.

I mean, Jeff Green is old as hell. He finally got a ring last season with the nuggets. Did he retire? Nope. And he didn't even have a contract so it would've been easy for him to retire. But he signed a FA contract with Houston. Why? Because he loves the game, he's healthy enough and good enough to keep playing..and because a team offered him some decent money.

Ish Smith is old, finally won a title last year with Denver..he didn't retire..neither did Deandre Jordan.

Year before that, Warriors won the title. Iguodala was old, won another title..did he retire? Nope, he played one more year. And probably would have kept playing but at that point he wasn't good anymore - not nearly as good as Horford still is.

Klay is washed..has won a bunch of rings but he's still playing..

LeBron is still going..PJ Tucker finally won a ring with the Bucks in 2021..he was washed this season but kept on playing..didn't retire got traded to the Clippers..

Rondo won multiple rings, including another ring in 2020. He was old and could've retired after that ring in 2020..but he kept playing another couple of years - for like 6 different teams lol.

Griffin retired but only because his body is ready to be donated to the museum of science :)


All good points... and good examples. I'm not saying I think he retires, just that at 38 and with a ring, he might. What you said about Al being healthy and playing well is all true. But it's also true that 99% of players retire at or before age 38. That could mean Al's an outlier that keeps on keeping on, or it could mean that with a ring on his finger, he chooses to be a dad and spend time with his family more before his body starts to break down. Either would be a totally reasonable decision.
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Post#391 » by ThePigeon » Thu May 30, 2024 6:55 am

He will play as long as he is able to play at a high level and healthy
He will play till he is 42 to be the oldest player ever to play in the NBA (passing Kareem and Parish)
I don't see any reason he won't
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Post#393 » by RickyDizzle » Thu May 30, 2024 5:47 pm

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5 years and $250 million for Siakam? Yeah, no one should ever complain about Jaylen Brown's deal again.


JB is 5 years and $304 million, right? So if JB is worth 60/year, then Siakam is worth 50/year... that seems... about... right? I think JB is a better player in the same tier more or less so a $10 million delta annually seems okay to me.
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Post#394 » by snowman » Thu May 30, 2024 6:18 pm

Ok, so I have three questions open for any of our cap ologists out there.

1) What is the earliest that Tatum can be extended to a max deal (of course that is what he will get) considering he has one year guaranteed plus a 2nd year player option?
2) Same question with Porzingis, except he was just extended this past offseason and has 2 fully guaranteed years left.
3) If I'm not mistaken, once a team is over the 2nd apron, they have no access to TPE's or any kind of exceptions. Is this correct?
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Post#395 » by Celts17Pride » Thu May 30, 2024 6:25 pm

snowman wrote:Ok, so I have three questions open for any of our cap ologists out there.

1) What is the earliest that Tatum can be extended to a max deal (of course that is what he will get) considering he has one year guaranteed plus a 2nd year player option?
2) Same question with Porzingis, except he was just extended this past offseason and has 2 fully guaranteed years left.
3) If I'm not mistaken, once a team is over the 2nd apron, they have no access to TPE's or any kind of exceptions. Is this correct?

1. This summer
2. Porzingis was already extended
3. Celtics have access to zero exceptions.
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Post#396 » by fallguy » Thu May 30, 2024 6:32 pm

Al should play forever like Udonis Haslem but instead of what Haslem did he should continue to be useful. This is what will happen.
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Post#397 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu May 30, 2024 6:35 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
snowman wrote:Ok, so I have three questions open for any of our cap ologists out there.

1) What is the earliest that Tatum can be extended to a max deal (of course that is what he will get) considering he has one year guaranteed plus a 2nd year player option?
2) Same question with Porzingis, except he was just extended this past offseason and has 2 fully guaranteed years left.
3) If I'm not mistaken, once a team is over the 2nd apron, they have no access to TPE's or any kind of exceptions. Is this correct?

1. This summer
2. Porzingis was already extended
3. Celtics have access to zero exceptions.

3. Cs will have access to veteran's minimum exception, second round exception, and TPEs created within season.
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Post#398 » by Celts17Pride » Thu May 30, 2024 6:56 pm

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snowman wrote:Ok, so I have three questions open for any of our cap ologists out there.

1) What is the earliest that Tatum can be extended to a max deal (of course that is what he will get) considering he has one year guaranteed plus a 2nd year player option?
2) Same question with Porzingis, except he was just extended this past offseason and has 2 fully guaranteed years left.
3) If I'm not mistaken, once a team is over the 2nd apron, they have no access to TPE's or any kind of exceptions. Is this correct?

1. This summer
2. Porzingis was already extended
3. Celtics have access to zero exceptions.

3. Cs will have access to veteran's minimum exception, second round exception, and TPEs created within season.

Thanks for the correction. So at least they have some flexibility though limited.
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Post#399 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu May 30, 2024 7:02 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:1. This summer
2. Porzingis was already extended
3. Celtics have access to zero exceptions.

3. Cs will have access to veteran's minimum exception, second round exception, and TPEs created within season.

Thanks for the correction. So at least they have some flexibility though limited.

Very limited lol.

Why bringing back the guys they already have could be a priority unless they find better players/fits who will agree to the minimum.
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