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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#241 » by esqtvd » Mon May 27, 2024 8:28 pm

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esqtvd wrote:Ballmer is worth almost $150 billion. It's impossible to spend enough on the Clippers for him to ever feel it. $100 million is pocket change. In fact, Ballmer has already paid over $350 million in luxury tax over the last 3 years!

But yes, his fellow owners have screwed him bigtime with the new CBA. He has no way to improve his team. As it stands now, he can't even buy a second-round pick or sign FAs. Not even an MLE.

As for "playing the kids," it's the same ol', same ol'. They already showed what they're made of this year, blowing big lead after big lead. These aren't prospects, they're rejects. It's not about "playing the kids" so much, it's about playing THESE kids
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And if you look at the playoffs right now, younger teams and players are beat to hell too. So I'm not hoping for the Over the Hill Gang to magically stay healthy and seriously contend. That ship has sailed. I'm hoping to win 45 games and not be a total joke. And I think that's going to be Ballmer's strategy too.


    In the end, if their choices are "pay George the max or let him walk," the former is ultimately the right call. They simply don't have an alternative for all of the short- and long-term risks such a contract would carry. This is their team. They don't have a backdoor path into rebuilding. They don't have an in-house replacement. They are stuck with this aging and expensive group, and no matter how much it costs, that group is only viable if George is part of it.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/clippers-reportedly-hoping-paul-george-takes-less-than-the-max-which-is-an-enormous-and-unnecessary-risk/

That was during garbage time. But I do know that it took three hall of famers, KD, Booker, and Beal, who were desperately fighting to stay out of the play in- had to play 40 minutes each to eek out a win late in the 4th against a Bones and Boston led Clippers team. Along with Kobe, Kai Jones, and Jordan Miller we got some talent -but they don't get minutes at all. I know you hate our kids but I'm not going to look at other youngsters glued to the bench on other teams and say they're better when they get way more opportunity to play than our youth. Grabbing Harden, playing PJ and Russ along with other issues like injuries and lack of effort still resulted in a first round exit. Too old they get injured and complacent from big paydays. Too young and they run out of gas. So basically just play the guys that should play and hope for the best imo.


I don't necessarily want to run it back with the Over the Hill Gang, I'm just saying that it's in character for Ballmer. I'm not surprised if he's sniffing around CP3 or Lowry. [Beard was lousy after the ASB and although he led the Clips in scoring in the playoffs, he was near the bottom in plus/minus again. I didn't hate him but the man just LEAKS points.]

As for the kids, it wasn't all garbage time. Bones, Kobe and Boston all got minutes with the big boys. It's just a fact about them being drafted so low in the first place, or dumped by their original team, or performing so poorly when they DID get some burn. I'd rather be wrong; I just see no indication I am. As for the rest like Jordan Miller, there are a ton of guys who did just as well or better down in G-League and they're not going anywhere either. I think he will get a chance, but hey, he turns 25 next January. He SHOULD be outclassing 20-year-olds.

As for that Phoenix game that the Suns won by 16, Bones was minus-7, Boston was minus-15 and Kobe was minus-30. Hardly encouraging. [Tucker was plus+13 lol.] The memory plays tricks. :-?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202404100LAC.html


But if PG bolts--Philly sportstalk is saying the Sixers will offer him the max--I suppose we'll find out who's right and wrong.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#242 » by Clemenza » Tue May 28, 2024 6:54 am

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clipperlover wrote:Did Paul George disappoint in Games 5 and 6 of the playoffs? Absolutely.

It wasn't just two games. He was even worse in Game 3 than in Games 5 and 6, and even his "good" games were really more like good halves. That 33-point game you're touting, he did almost all his scoring in the first half and vanished in the second half as we nearly blew the lead. It's year in and year out with PG, he shrinks in the playoffs more often than not.

They kept trying to run the offense through Kawhi in Game 3 and he couldn't even move nor dribble. Nobody got it going in that game.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#243 » by KL2 » Tue May 28, 2024 6:14 pm

Gotta love the off season.

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#244 » by MartinToVaught » Tue May 28, 2024 6:43 pm

Another 34-year-old who can't handle the playoffs or clutch situations. It'll be like PG never left. :roll:

I've never seen a front office deeper in denial than this one.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#245 » by KL2 » Tue May 28, 2024 6:46 pm

He’s from SoCal too. That’s another cherry on top for them. They can’t help themselves.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#246 » by MartinToVaught » Tue May 28, 2024 8:05 pm

KL2 wrote:He’s from SoCal too. That’s another cherry on top for them. They can’t help themselves.

He has the same mentality as PG too.

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#247 » by madmaxmedia » Tue May 28, 2024 9:39 pm

Clemenza wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:
clipperlover wrote:Did Paul George disappoint in Games 5 and 6 of the playoffs? Absolutely.

It wasn't just two games. He was even worse in Game 3 than in Games 5 and 6, and even his "good" games were really more like good halves. That 33-point game you're touting, he did almost all his scoring in the first half and vanished in the second half as we nearly blew the lead. It's year in and year out with PG, he shrinks in the playoffs more often than not.

They kept trying to run the offense through Kawhi in Game 3 and he couldn't even move nor dribble. Nobody got it going in that game.


It's a shame because he played reasonably well in Game 2, his midrange was working but his 3 ball was even flatter than usual. Like maybe we still lose the series after losing Kawhi, but man a 2-0 lead would have given us a great chance.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#248 » by Ballings7 » Tue May 28, 2024 10:26 pm

KL2 wrote:Gotta love the off season.

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I think Demar would be best off the bench in a Ginobili-like role.. but without Harden or PG, and probably Russ' too.

I don't think DeMar is what the team needs if PG or Harden aren't here.

He isn't a reliable floor spacer, or defender. He has gotten better from 3P from the few that he does take, but overall isn't reliable there.

I do like his game from a playmaker and mid-range standpoint -- but I'd pass. DeMar is better on a team like Minnesota, Miami, or Denver as a 6th man.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#249 » by madmaxmedia » Wed May 29, 2024 2:03 am

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I think Demar would be best off the bench in a Ginobili-like role.. but without Harden or PG, and probably Russ' too.

I don't think DeMar is what the team needs if PG or Harden aren't here.

He isn't a reliable floor spacer, or defender. He has gotten better from 3P from the few that he does take, but overall isn't reliable there.

I do like his game from a playmaker and mid-range standpoint -- but I'd pass. DeMar is better on a team like Minnesota, Miami, or Denver as a 6th man.


I don't disagree with anything you said. But here's the case for a guy like DDR to help make up for PG (if we lost him to either FA or trade):
1. We're not contending for a title anyway, we just want to try to have a competitive product on the floor without giving up more future assets.
2. He'll be cheaper to acquire since he's older.

I don't know what the asking price would be on a sign-and-trade, but he'd be a good empty calories stop gap that might actually be getable for us.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#250 » by KL2 » Wed May 29, 2024 4:35 pm

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What was Frank saying just a few weeks ago? They’re not naive to think they can run it all back and all will be good? BS number 1483526 from him.

Only this team thinks changing out the 12/13/14 man on the roster who never plays year after year is progress.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#251 » by MartinToVaught » Wed May 29, 2024 5:02 pm

Can't wait for Intuit to be half-empty at best after they set the franchise back even further this offseason in the naive belief that it will sell tickets. Ballmer and Frank will look like complete idiots, though I don't expect they'll realize it.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#252 » by KL2 » Wed May 29, 2024 10:29 pm

You get an extension. You get an extension. You get one. You too. You’re all getting one.

This one is deserved. The PJ Tucker one is going to hit hard too.

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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#253 » by wakelaunch1 » Wed May 29, 2024 11:17 pm

KL2 wrote:You get an extension. You get an extension. You get one. You too. You’re all getting one.

This one is deserved. The PJ Tucker one is going to hit hard too.

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The barn is on fire when the leader will throw money at anything. Hes the guy in the bar who buys rounds for all the ladies and goes home alone. No accountability for this money. He thinks by him being there that somehow improves the situation. these people he is picking have no clue what they are doing nor a plan. its all reactionary and hyperbole.

Everyone knows the reason the Heat are successful. They build and develop talent. They have a coach that plays the right guys vs the best guys. They know when to get off of a player and rebuild.

I think the Clippers organization underestimates the fan base and why they like them. It was never about the stars.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#254 » by MartinToVaught » Wed May 29, 2024 11:24 pm

KL2 wrote:You get an extension. You get an extension. You get one. You too. You’re all getting one.

Can't wait for our remaining draft picks to be moved down to the end of the first round because our idiot owner and GM are oblivious to the new CBA. :roll:
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#255 » by MartinToVaught » Wed May 29, 2024 11:34 pm

wakelaunch1 wrote:I think the Clippers organization underestimates the fan base and why they like them. It was never about the stars.

Well said. We cheered for Loy Vaught, for Piatkowski, for Miles and QRich, so on and so forth. None of these guys were superstars, but they were beloved players anyway. If it was all about stars and glory-hunting, we'd all just be Laker fans and save ourselves from a lifetime of heartbreak.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#256 » by JustBuzzin » Thu May 30, 2024 1:26 am

Is a PG sign n trade possible?

Would love to get him in Charlotte to mentor Brandon Miller and he makes us a playoff team.

I would sign n trade Miles Bridges if possible.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#257 » by esqtvd » Thu May 30, 2024 2:14 am

JustBuzzin wrote:Is a PG sign n trade possible?

Would love to get him in Charlotte to mentor Brandon Miller and he makes us a playoff team.

I would sign n trade Miles Bridges if possible.


In a sign and trade, first the player is choosing where to sign. No way PG chooses NBA Siberia while the Sixers and several others will be happy to give him the max.
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Post#258 » by Roscoe Sheed » Thu May 30, 2024 2:30 am

wakelaunch1 wrote:
KL2 wrote:You get an extension. You get an extension. You get one. You too. You’re all getting one.

This one is deserved. The PJ Tucker one is going to hit hard too.

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The barn is on fire when the leader will throw money at anything. Hes the guy in the bar who buys rounds for all the ladies and goes home alone. No accountability for this money. He thinks by him being there that somehow improves the situation. these people he is picking have no clue what they are doing nor a plan. its all reactionary and hyperbole.

Everyone knows the reason the Heat are successful. They build and develop talent. They have a coach that plays the right guys vs the best guys. They know when to get off of a player and rebuild.

I think the Clippers organization underestimates the fan base and why they like them. It was never about the stars.


you don't think Zubac deserves an extension? He had a very solid season
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#259 » by Roscoe Sheed » Thu May 30, 2024 2:32 am

MartinToVaught wrote:
wakelaunch1 wrote:I think the Clippers organization underestimates the fan base and why they like them. It was never about the stars.

Well said. We cheered for Loy Vaught, for Piatkowski, for Miles and QRich, so on and so forth. None of these guys were superstars, but they were beloved players anyway. If it was all about stars and glory-hunting, we'd all just be Laker fans and save ourselves from a lifetime of heartbreak.

I get your point- I really enjoyed the 48 win team in 18-19, but I like the current team too- Kawhi should be commended for selecting the Clippers and PG too for wanting to play in LA- this is one of the few times that star players have deliberately selected the Clippers. The only other time I can think of it was Baron Davis and he wasn't nearly on their level (at least not Kawhi's). I think these guys want to be successful, but it just hasn't worked out yet.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#260 » by JustBuzzin » Thu May 30, 2024 3:07 am

esqtvd wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Is a PG sign n trade possible?

Would love to get him in Charlotte to mentor Brandon Miller and he makes us a playoff team.

I would sign n trade Miles Bridges if possible.


In a sign and trade, first the player is choosing where to sign. No way PG chooses NBA Siberia while the Sixers and several others will be happy to give him the max.
Not even to mentor his young protege in Brandon Miller? :(

PG leading us to the playoffs he would be treated like a king.

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