2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 5

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

My gut says we'll pick TDS because he's the most "nba ready" & they want to sell hope to the fans asap.

So they'll pick the guy who can impact winning the quickest. I obv hope to be wrong and that if one of the better PGs fall that we snatch them up but that's just the feeling that I get. Personally if we have to take a "bigger wing", out of the realistic ones (I don't see Saluan falling) I'd take Tyler Smith ahead of Tyson & Furphy. I like Tyson's craftiness off the dribble so I won't be upset if we took hi but his wingspan worries me that he'll ever be able to defend & Furphy has the athleticism to make up for some of his lack of wingspan too. Not that I think Smith is a great defender but he at least has the physical tools to work with and I just think offensively he might have the greatest ceiling of the bunch.

Personally I'm not that thrilled by the wings expected in our range and again would hope we snatch one of the better guards instead but it looks like it's gonna be a wing and that would be my current preference but also my guess who I think the FO actually drafts in the end (if he's not taken by one of LAL or PHI first).

It's going to be Nikola D. or Dadiet

[Rapsfan07]

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

My gut says we'll pick TDS because he's the most "nba ready" & they want to sell hope to the fans asap.

So they'll pick the guy who can impact winning the quickest. I obv hope to be wrong and that if one of the better PGs fall that we snatch them up but that's just the feeling that I get. Personally if we have to take a "bigger wing", out of the realistic ones (I don't see Saluan falling) I'd take Tyler Smith ahead of Tyson & Furphy. I like Tyson's craftiness off the dribble so I won't be upset if we took hi but his wingspan worries me that he'll ever be able to defend & Furphy has the athleticism to make up for some of his lack of wingspan too. Not that I think Smith is a great defender but he at least has the physical tools to work with and I just think offensively he might have the greatest ceiling of the bunch.

Personally I'm not that thrilled by the wings expected in our range and again would hope we snatch one of the better guards instead but it looks like it's gonna be a wing and that would be my current preference but also my guess who I think the FO actually drafts in the end (if he's not taken by one of LAL or PHI first).

I really REALLY hope we don't waste either of our picks on Da Silva.

I want to like Carrington so bad but I don't know... I think it's the fact that he doesn't really take contact and we already have a PG in Quickley who generates most of his offense from the behind the arc. I really want a guard that's a little more scrappy, quick and tough and can get into the middle of the defense. It's why I fell in love with Carter from the getgo but I imagine he's probably lottery bound at this point.

[PhilBlackson]

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

My gut says we'll pick TDS because he's the most "nba ready" & they want to sell hope to the fans asap.

So they'll pick the guy who can impact winning the quickest. I obv hope to be wrong and that if one of the better PGs fall that we snatch them up but that's just the feeling that I get. Personally if we have to take a "bigger wing", out of the realistic ones (I don't see Saluan falling) I'd take Tyler Smith ahead of Tyson & Furphy. I like Tyson's craftiness off the dribble so I won't be upset if we took hi but his wingspan worries me that he'll ever be able to defend & Furphy has the athleticism to make up for some of his lack of wingspan too. Not that I think Smith is a great defender but he at least has the physical tools to work with and I just think offensively he might have the greatest ceiling of the bunch.

Personally I'm not that thrilled by the wings expected in our range and again would hope we snatch one of the better guards instead but it looks like it's gonna be a wing and that would be my current preference but also my guess who I think the FO actually drafts in the end (if he's not taken by one of LAL or PHI first).

It's going to be Nikola D. or Dadiet

If they took one of those guys it would be at 31 and low-key I actually like Djurisic. He just seems like he knows how to play the game & has a good understanding of how to find the pockets in a defence. My only knock on him is even though he's 6'7, physically he looks more like a "taller SG" than a natural SF and of course we already have 2 SGs (RJ & Dick). LIke Tyson & Furphy, he doesn't have much of a wingspan.

Personally I hope we take one of the PGs or Ware vs forcing the fit of drafting a wing just because it's the most pressing need but I guess we'll see in a few weeks how it pans out.

[PhilBlackson]

Spoiler:

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

My gut says we'll pick TDS because he's the most "nba ready" & they want to sell hope to the fans asap.

So they'll pick the guy who can impact winning the quickest. I obv hope to be wrong and that if one of the better PGs fall that we snatch them up but that's just the feeling that I get. Personally if we have to take a "bigger wing", out of the realistic ones (I don't see Saluan falling) I'd take Tyler Smith ahead of Tyson & Furphy. I like Tyson's craftiness off the dribble so I won't be upset if we took hi but his wingspan worries me that he'll ever be able to defend & Furphy has the athleticism to make up for some of his lack of wingspan too. Not that I think Smith is a great defender but he at least has the physical tools to work with and I just think offensively he might have the greatest ceiling of the bunch.

Personally I'm not that thrilled by the wings expected in our range and again would hope we snatch one of the better guards instead but it looks like it's gonna be a wing and that would be my current preference but also my guess who I think the FO actually drafts in the end (if he's not taken by one of LAL or PHI first).

I really REALLY hope we don't waste either of our picks on Da Silva.

I want to like Carrington so bad but I don't know... I think it's the fact that he doesn't really take contact and we already have a PG in Quickley who generates most of his offense from the behind the arc. I really want a guard that's a little more scrappy, quick and tough and can get into the middle of the defense. It's why I fell in love with Carter from the getgo but I imagine he's probably lottery bound at this point.

I'm with you! I've stated on multiple occasions that Bub would be my pick but I just don't believe our FO likes players with edge, they like the "high character" guys AND he's a SG when really that's what both RJ & Dick should be although they're being forced to play SF at times - hence my belief (based on who they've brought in) that they'll again draft for need vs BPA (as they claim they will).

Personally I'd take one of Bub (top of my list) or Ware or whichever PG Miami didn't take (ie/ Collier or Carter) aka the best players available. BUT the fact that they are so adamantly looking at wings makes me think they're desperate to fill the need as quickly as possible to be "more competitive" again and as such will take the most NBA ready of the bunch, but again hoping to be wrong.

[islandboy53]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

Kel'el Ware, Jaylon Tyson, Dillon Jones among potential draftees on Raptors workout list so far.

[Indeed]

Mogbo seems like a Precious type prospect and that's a positive. A first glance, he seems to be undersized for the C position, but he's built very well and he has the long wingspan which should allow him to defend the position like Precious does. He's bouncy and versatile and he can extend his defense to the perimeter which is a big positive. His offense is basically limited to dunks, but he seems to have a better feel for the game compared to Precious. Mogbo posted 5 assists per 40 which is pretty great for a player at his position. His efficiency, his rebounding, his defense, his playmaking all seems to be pretty positive. Definitely worth a look at 31.

Have been saying that, or better comparion would be an older James Johnson (he will be 22?). I think his passing is good, and may able to play our style. The question is his shooting. I have him over Dunn because of potential.

[Indeed]

Edey's problem with Scottie is that Scottie needs to run because he can't create well for himself in the half court, and Edey needs the ball walked up the court so that he can get there. It's not an ideal fit. The reason to take Edey is he might translate and be good enough to build a team around, with the second reason he is the BPA at 19 in a draft where there's probably only 10 guys worth remember in 10 years.

I still think Edey will go between 8-15.

I think the major draw of Edey for me is the feeling of inevitability Edey provides if he secures the ball in the paint. That was the feeling watching Purdue all season. Don't let Edey catch it (entry pass or rebound) because if he has two feet in the paint and the ball in both hands, it is either a bucket or a foul. At 7'4 he has very few physical equals (even in the NBA) that do not have to significantly plant/gather/jump to contest with him.

On defence... yeah, he's not going to be much help on five-outs. But he will change paths/angles/shots on drives. Not to Wemby's degree, but the NBA is such high-level competition that any alteration you can cause in your opponent is what you are looking for. That's what I have been able to glean from the Minding the Game Podcast.

Edey will be an identifiable asset and in a draft with some serious question marks about asset values, I think that is good enough for the 19th frickin' pick at least. If he goes earlier, good for him.

The only way to integrade Edey with Barnes is Edey gets his 3, and he becomes Lopez next to Giannis.

I dont think Edey will be a full time starter, but his impact on rim protection can be great as a rotational player. At 19 could be a bit high, but it is a weak draft with similar role player potential prospects in that range, so I would not mind the gamble.

[dohboy_24]

Edey is big and strong, but I am not sure he fits our scheme on either end. We use bigs as playmakers on offense (see Kelly Olynyk and Jontay Porter) and Edey to me is perfect for a straight pick and roll offense where guards initiate actions. I'd argue that we don't run a ton of actions that work for him.

He is also not a great passer (negative ast/TO) as his focus has been on scoring, so I don't think he is a plus playmaker.

His best attribute will likely be to sit in the paint for offensive boards, and I think we shifted away from that (Chris Boucher is great at that but stopped using him).

On defense we have aggressive schemes that require pressure and switching to some extent. Edey is a drop coverage big. You can win a lot using that scheme (see the Bucks), but it would require an overhaul of the defense.

Agreed. Hopefully Edey will be selected by a team that will fit his skillset better than ours, but I don't think he's going to be ahead of players like Kel'el Ware, Yves Missi, Kyle Filipowski and perhaps even DaRon Holmes II or Ulrich Chomche on our big man draft board.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I’m ready for Masai to zag and draft Edey at 19

[DreamTeam09]

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

My gut says we'll pick TDS because he's the most "nba ready" & they want to sell hope to the fans asap.

So they'll pick the guy who can impact winning the quickest. I obv hope to be wrong and that if one of the better PGs fall that we snatch them up but that's just the feeling that I get. Personally if we have to take a "bigger wing", out of the realistic ones (I don't see Saluan falling) I'd take Tyler Smith ahead of Tyson & Furphy. I like Tyson's craftiness off the dribble so I won't be upset if we took hi but his wingspan worries me that he'll ever be able to defend & Furphy has the athleticism to make up for some of his lack of wingspan too. Not that I think Smith is a great defender but he at least has the physical tools to work with and I just think offensively he might have the greatest ceiling of the bunch.

Personally I'm not that thrilled by the wings expected in our range and again would hope we snatch one of the better guards instead but it looks like it's gonna be a wing and that would be my current preference but also my guess who I think the FO actually drafts in the end (if he's not taken by one of LAL or PHI first).

I really REALLY hope we don't waste either of our picks on Da Silva.

I want to like Carrington so bad but I don't know... I think it's the fact that he doesn't really take contact and we already have a PG in Quickley who generates most of his offense from the behind the arc. I really want a guard that's a little more scrappy, quick and tough and can get into the middle of the defense. It's why I fell in love with Carter from the get go but I imagine he's probably lottery bound at this point.

De Silva is nice. He'd be a good fit here,

[dohboy_24]

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

What would suggest the FO is targeting a wing at #19?

Considering the wing prospects available around that pick, which prospect they would obviously want to select?

Ja'Kobe Walter
Johnny Furphy
Kyshawn George
Tristan DaSilva
Terrence Shannon Jr
Bobi Klintman
Ryan Dunn
Jaylon Tyson
Dillon Jones
Pacome Dadiet

Of those prospects, how many of them will probably still be available when we pick at #31?

[PhilBlackson]

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

My gut says we'll pick TDS because he's the most "nba ready" & they want to sell hope to the fans asap.

So they'll pick the guy who can impact winning the quickest. I obv hope to be wrong and that if one of the better PGs fall that we snatch them up but that's just the feeling that I get. Personally if we have to take a "bigger wing", out of the realistic ones (I don't see Saluan falling) I'd take Tyler Smith ahead of Tyson & Furphy. I like Tyson's craftiness off the dribble so I won't be upset if we took hi but his wingspan worries me that he'll ever be able to defend & Furphy has the athleticism to make up for some of his lack of wingspan too. Not that I think Smith is a great defender but he at least has the physical tools to work with and I just think offensively he might have the greatest ceiling of the bunch.

Personally I'm not that thrilled by the wings expected in our range and again would hope we snatch one of the better guards instead but it looks like it's gonna be a wing and that would be my current preference but also my guess who I think the FO actually drafts in the end (if he's not taken by one of LAL or PHI first).

I really REALLY hope we don't waste either of our picks on Da Silva.

I want to like Carrington so bad but I don't know... I think it's the fact that he doesn't really take contact and we already have a PG in Quickley who generates most of his offense from the behind the arc. I really want a guard that's a little more scrappy, quick and tough and can get into the middle of the defense. It's why I fell in love with Carter from the get go but I imagine he's probably lottery bound at this point.

De Silva is nice. He'd be a good fit here,

I know he'd be a good "fit", that's the whole reason I explained why I think they will take him. Fit over BPA because they want to be more "competitive" sooner than later.

[PhilBlackson]

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

Which obvious signs would suggest the FO is targeting a wing at #19?

You'd have to dig through the previous draft thread but it showed all the players we've scouting and the obvious majority were wings.

[Rapsfan07]

Spoiler:

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

My gut says we'll pick TDS because he's the most "nba ready" & they want to sell hope to the fans asap.

So they'll pick the guy who can impact winning the quickest. I obv hope to be wrong and that if one of the better PGs fall that we snatch them up but that's just the feeling that I get. Personally if we have to take a "bigger wing", out of the realistic ones (I don't see Saluan falling) I'd take Tyler Smith ahead of Tyson & Furphy. I like Tyson's craftiness off the dribble so I won't be upset if we took hi but his wingspan worries me that he'll ever be able to defend & Furphy has the athleticism to make up for some of his lack of wingspan too. Not that I think Smith is a great defender but he at least has the physical tools to work with and I just think offensively he might have the greatest ceiling of the bunch.

Personally I'm not that thrilled by the wings expected in our range and again would hope we snatch one of the better guards instead but it looks like it's gonna be a wing and that would be my current preference but also my guess who I think the FO actually drafts in the end (if he's not taken by one of LAL or PHI first).

I really REALLY hope we don't waste either of our picks on Da Silva.

I want to like Carrington so bad but I don't know... I think it's the fact that he doesn't really take contact and we already have a PG in Quickley who generates most of his offense from the behind the arc. I really want a guard that's a little more scrappy, quick and tough and can get into the middle of the defense. It's why I fell in love with Carter from the getgo but I imagine he's probably lottery bound at this point.

I'm with you! I've stated on multiple occasions that Bub would be my pick but I just don't believe our FO likes players with edge, they like the "high character" guys AND he's a SG when really that's what both RJ & Dick should be although they're being forced to play SF at times - hence my belief (based on who they've brought in) that they'll again draft for need vs BPA (as they claim they will).

Personally I'd take one of Bub (top of my list) or Ware or whichever PG Miami didn't take (ie/ Collier or Carter) aka the best players available. BUT the fact that they are so adamantly looking at wings makes me think they're desperate to fill the need as quickly as possible to be "more competitive" again and as such will take the most NBA ready of the bunch, but again hoping to be wrong.

I hope you're wrong too lol. Although I do love Tyson a LOT.

It'll obviously all come down to who's on the board but I do have Collier and Carter as the best PGs possible available in our range. The next tier for me was Simpson and Sallis but Sallis withdrew and for wings, other than Tyson and Watkins (also withdrew), I'm curious about Djurisic...I think he could carve out a role in the NBA. Also think Scheierman is going to surprise people.

But back to the point - unless one of Carter or Collier fall, I think we need to go with a big at #19. The quality of bigs drop off significantly IMO after Holmes, Edey and Ware so I don't think they're going to make it to #31. Right now, my guy down there is Simpson. I hope no one picks him up before that.

[DreamTeam09]

I really REALLY hope we don't waste either of our picks on Da Silva.

I want to like Carrington so bad but I don't know... I think it's the fact that he doesn't really take contact and we already have a PG in Quickley who generates most of his offense from the behind the arc. I really want a guard that's a little more scrappy, quick and tough and can get into the middle of the defense. It's why I fell in love with Carter from the get go but I imagine he's probably lottery bound at this point.

De Silva is nice. He'd be a good fit here,

I know he'd be a good "fit", that's the whole reason I explained why I think they will take him. Fit over BPA because they want to be more "competitive" sooner than later.

He easily could be the BPA tho b/c he's nice. Spent 4yrs in college & developed his game. Still room to grow.

[PhilBlackson]

I really REALLY hope we don't waste either of our picks on Da Silva.

I want to like Carrington so bad but I don't know... I think it's the fact that he doesn't really take contact and we already have a PG in Quickley who generates most of his offense from the behind the arc. I really want a guard that's a little more scrappy, quick and tough and can get into the middle of the defense. It's why I fell in love with Carter from the getgo but I imagine he's probably lottery bound at this point.

I'm with you! I've stated on multiple occasions that Bub would be my pick but I just don't believe our FO likes players with edge, they like the "high character" guys AND he's a SG when really that's what both RJ & Dick should be although they're being forced to play SF at times - hence my belief (based on who they've brought in) that they'll again draft for need vs BPA (as they claim they will).

Personally I'd take one of Bub (top of my list) or Ware or whichever PG Miami didn't take (ie/ Collier or Carter) aka the best players available. BUT the fact that they are so adamantly looking at wings makes me think they're desperate to fill the need as quickly as possible to be "more competitive" again and as such will take the most NBA ready of the bunch, but again hoping to be wrong.

I hope you're wrong too lol. Although I do love Tyson a LOT.

It'll obviously all come down to who's on the board but I do have Collier and Carter as the best PGs possible available in our range. The next tier for me was Simpson and Sallis but Sallis withdrew and for wings, other than Tyson and Watkins (also withdrew), I'm curious about Djurisic...I think he could carve out a role in the NBA. Also think Scheierman is going to surprise people.

But back to the point - unless one of Carter or Collier fall, I think we need to go with a big at #19. The quality of bigs drop off significantly IMO after Holmes, Edey and Ware so I don't think they're going to make it to #31. Right now, my guy down there is Simpson. I hope no one picks him up before that.

Personally I don't have a favorite at 31, I'll just be hoping someone projected around the IND pick falls into the 2nd (always seems to happen in most drafts') but I honestly feel like they're gonna take Chomche with that pick.

Then they get their bigger wing with the 1st pick that's ready to contribute (TDS) and the 3rd string development project that Masai flat out said he wanted and then pick up a back up PG in FA (ie/ Jones or Melton) when they let Gary walk (the dude they've been non-commital about for years & when they no longer need to force RJ & Gradey to play SF when they're both actually SGs).

[OAKLEY_2]

Spoiler:

I'm not even daydreaming about drafting Carrington or Walter anymore...it's pretty obvious the FO is targeting a wing.

My gut says we'll pick TDS because he's the most "nba ready" & they want to sell hope to the fans asap.

So they'll pick the guy who can impact winning the quickest. I obv hope to be wrong and that if one of the better PGs fall that we snatch them up but that's just the feeling that I get. Personally if we have to take a "bigger wing", out of the realistic ones (I don't see Saluan falling) I'd take Tyler Smith ahead of Tyson & Furphy. I like Tyson's craftiness off the dribble so I won't be upset if we took hi but his wingspan worries me that he'll ever be able to defend & Furphy has the athleticism to make up for some of his lack of wingspan too. Not that I think Smith is a great defender but he at least has the physical tools to work with and I just think offensively he might have the greatest ceiling of the bunch.

Personally I'm not that thrilled by the wings expected in our range and again would hope we snatch one of the better guards instead but it looks like it's gonna be a wing and that would be my current preference but also my guess who I think the FO actually drafts in the end (if he's not taken by one of LAL or PHI first).

I really REALLY hope we don't waste either of our picks on Da Silva.

I want to like Carrington so bad but I don't know... I think it's the fact that he doesn't really take contact and we already have a PG in Quickley who generates most of his offense from the behind the arc. I really want a guard that's a little more scrappy, quick and tough and can get into the middle of the defense. It's why I fell in love with Carter from the getgo but I imagine he's probably lottery bound at this point.

I'm with you! I've stated on multiple occasions that Bub would be my pick but I just don't believe our FO likes players with edge, they like the "high character" guys AND he's a SG when really that's what both RJ & Dick should be although they're being forced to play SF at times - hence my belief (based on who they've brought in) that they'll again draft for need vs BPA (as they claim they will).

Personally I'd take one of Bub (top of my list) or Ware or whichever PG Miami didn't take (ie/ Collier or Carter) aka the best players available. BUT the fact that they are so adamantly looking at wings makes me think they're desperate to fill the need as quickly as possible to be "more competitive" again and as such will take the most NBA ready of the bunch, but again hoping to be wrong.

Maybe it is because that is where if you hit a home run it can impact winning the most. However, the money should be on Bub/Collier or Edey/Ware. If Edey is there it would be beyond surprising in this draft if they passed on him. But, the most likely to be there are Carrington and Ware. More and more I think they will take and develop Ware. All the working out of wings could be for number 31 and Bobi Klintman is a longbois Raptor through and through. So my expectation on draft night is different than I would like to see. But a Ware-Klintman draft is entirely possible.

[dohboy_24]

You'd have to dig through the previous draft thread but it showed all the players we've scouting and the obvious majority were wings.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

So far the Raptors have held workouts with the following players:

Kel'el Ware, C (top 20)
Joseph Bediako, C (undrafted)

Jonathan Mgobo, PF (2nd round)
Coleman Hawkins, PF (2nd round)
Josh Oduro, PF (undrafted)

Jaylon Tyson, SF (late first/early 2nd)
Dillon Jones, SF (late first/early 2nd)

Reece Beekman, PG (undrafted)
Joseph Girard III, PG (undrafted)

Of the nine (9) prospects we've held workouts with so far, only two of them have been wings and those who were aren't projected to be picked in the range of our #19 pick.

[grant101]

Not overly enthused by any of the names at 31. I think you can find just as good value deeper in the 2nd. I'd be open to using the leverage of picking 1st on the second day and trading back in order to pick up a 2025 2nd or to get off of bad salary

[PhilBlackson]

De Silva is nice. He'd be a good fit here,

I know he'd be a good "fit", that's the whole reason I explained why I think they will take him. Fit over BPA because they want to be more "competitive" sooner than later.

He easily could be the BPA tho b/c he's nice. Spent 4yrs in college & developed his game. Still room to grow.

Maybe so...I don't rule that out. I just like the potential of some of the other guys more, personally I don't love the wings in that range in general. I'd much prefer one of the PGs that should hopefully fall or Ware (and Bub who's actually my favorite but I just don't think our FO likes players with any edge).

But Tristan should be an obvious fit as he's good at reading what to do off ball (which was the clear reason we also drafted Gradey last year) which is the key to opening up the court for Scottie & also getting the most out of his passing so while I like Tyson's creation off the bounce more. I think the FO is going to value off ball movement more & additional length (he's both taller/longer than Tyson) to defend on the perimeter.

My early guess is that we take TDs at 19 & Chomche at 31, those aren't my favorites/choices, it's who I think they take.