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2024 Draft Thread - Part II

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1061 » by closg00 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 7:53 pm

DCZards wrote:Yeah…both Iverson and Kyrie are freaks. AI with his athleticism, speed and toughness and Irving with his ballhandling and dexterity. Little inaccurate—and unfair—to compare Dillingham with either one of them.

I do agree with the Trae Young comparison, although Trae looks to be a better passer while Dilly, as crazy as it sounds, may actually turn out to be a better all-around scorer than Young.


My point in mentioning Iverson/Kyrie is to counter the narrative that Rob is too-small to be successful, or even be the best player in this draft, it is not a literal comparison.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1062 » by doclinkin » Sun Jun 2, 2024 7:59 pm

Still my guy. Stephon Castle in the year before UConn.



Puff piece but it has footage of Castle vs Bronny, Ace Bailey, Collier, winning with the Team USA U18 squad, and for the East at the McDonald's all american game.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1063 » by DCZards » Sun Jun 2, 2024 8:15 pm

nate33 wrote:I just took a good look at Isaiah Collier and I find myself intrigued. He seems like a real boom/bust prospect. I'm a sucker for guys who can get to the rim at will, and he is definitely one of them. A skill like that can make you an All-Star if you can put everything else together.

Overall, he has too many issues for me to take him with a pick in the 10-15 range (that we might conceivably obtain in a Kuzma trade), but I am fascinated enough with his physical profile and penetration ability that I would love to take a risk on him with a lower pick and hope the development staff can fix his deficiencies. I see him mocked at 17, 19 and 14 at Tankathon, Ringer and CBS Sports respectively, which is probably a bit high. But if he falls into the low 20's so that we can move up from #26 to get him at a low cost, I might consider it. There is a possibility that he evolves into a Baron Davis type of player.

I said in an earlier post that I thought Collier’s ability to get to the basket almost at will would serve him well at the next level. I also believe that that ability will result in him being a top 15 pick.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1064 » by closg00 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 8:22 pm

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nate33 wrote:I just took a good look at Isaiah Collier and I find myself intrigued. He seems like a real boom/bust prospect. I'm a sucker for guys who can get to the rim at will, and he is definitely one of them. A skill like that can make you an All-Star if you can put everything else together.

Overall, he has too many issues for me to take him with a pick in the 10-15 range (that we might conceivably obtain in a Kuzma trade), but I am fascinated enough with his physical profile and penetration ability that I would love to take a risk on him with a lower pick and hope the development staff can fix his deficiencies. I see him mocked at 17, 19 and 14 at Tankathon, Ringer and CBS Sports respectively, which is probably a bit high. But if he falls into the low 20's so that we can move up from #26 to get him at a low cost, I might consider it. There is a possibility that he evolves into a Baron Davis type of player.

I said in an earlier post that I thought Collier’s ability to get to the basket almost at will would serve him well at the next level. I also believe that that ability will result in him being a top 15 pick.


Agree, he has that Brunson body-type.
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Post#1065 » by doclinkin » Sun Jun 2, 2024 8:24 pm

nate33 wrote:Kyrie was 27 pounds heavier than Dillingham. He was also .75-inches taller and had 1-inch superior wingspan. Kyrie also happens to be perhaps the most skilled basketball player of all time. I don't think Kyrie's success means that Dillingham will be successful.


Off the point. The point was the position of ballhandling shot creator has been debased the past few years, as teams look more for length and passing from all positions instead of relying on a heavy usage ballhandler. We have begun to swing away from small combo guards who are finding less room to operate, but that means only the true dribbling magicians will be able to succeed at the position.

Guys like RDills know how to play among giants, and have had to compensate. Kyrie or Mike Conley succeed not because of those 10-20 lbs they have over a guy like DIllingham but because of their skill set. Regardless of their size on defense they are playable because they make teams better around them. They elevate the play of the Bigs and allow you to play underskilled guys in the front court. You trade their backcourt size for frontcourt dominance. IF you can play enough size around them at every other position. Generally the small ballhandler is a liability though not just on defense, but because it is easier to stop the point of attack on a team that relies on a high usage dribble and dish guy.

It's still a lot of fun to watch the little And-1/playground attack guard who can scramble through traffic than to watch four rangy guys pitching the ball around the outside looking for an opening or jacking up shots from three. Dillingham is dynamic. On the right team he will be a hassle to deal with.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1066 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Jun 2, 2024 11:58 pm

So far, Holland strikes me as the guy most likely to reach stardom.

I'd like to see the Wizards draft Risacher and trade back with whoever agrees to draft Ron Holland.

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1067 » by Ed Wood » Mon Jun 3, 2024 12:02 am

I would tend to agree that Holland is one of the few options that seems to be taking the kind of swing that the picks toward the front end of your average draft are expected to offer. I think Topic is the other option (assuming Sarr isn't available) who has a clearer route to a player who plays a larger part in elevating a roster, but I suppose I would just have to defer to those better equipped to know whether the medicals should push him farther down.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1068 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 3, 2024 12:56 am

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nate33 wrote:Kyrie was 27 pounds heavier than Dillingham. He was also .75-inches taller and had 1-inch superior wingspan. Kyrie also happens to be perhaps the most skilled basketball player of all time. I don't think Kyrie's success means that Dillingham will be successful.


Off the point. The point was the position of ballhandling shot creator has been debased the past few years, as teams look more for length and passing from all positions instead of relying on a heavy usage ballhandler. We have begun to swing away from small combo guards who are finding less room to operate, but that means only the true dribbling magicians will be able to succeed at the position.

Guys like RDills know how to play among giants, and have had to compensate. Kyrie or Mike Conley succeed not because of those 10-20 lbs they have over a guy like DIllingham but because of their skill set. Regardless of their size on defense they are playable because they make teams better around them. They elevate the play of the Bigs and allow you to play underskilled guys in the front court. You trade their backcourt size for frontcourt dominance. IF you can play enough size around them at every other position. Generally the small ballhandler is a liability though not just on defense, but because it is easier to stop the point of attack on a team that relies on a high usage dribble and dish guy.

It's still a lot of fun to watch the little And-1/playground attack guard who can scramble through traffic than to watch four rangy guys pitching the ball around the outside looking for an opening or jacking up shots from three. Dillingham is dynamic. On the right team he will be a hassle to deal with.


I think folks forget (I have too in the past) that it's a game of skill. Size & athleticism obviously matters but skill outweighs all. Ideally you'd want a team of interchangeable 6-9 guys that can create, shoot & defend at high levels but that simply does not exist and your pretty lucky if you have just one of those guys. The really skilled guys tend to be shorter. EPM - one of the better stat measurement tools publicly available is dominated by point guards 6-3 or shorter. Steph Curry, Dame Lillard, De'Aaron Fox, Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Tyrese Maxey, Jamal Murray. All of these guys would be significantly dinged in recent draft cycles for their size/defense while non-shooters like Dyson Daniels, Anthony Black & Stephon Castle have been propped up.

In reality, the two-way PG only exists in theory. Teams typically require their PGs the be the offensive engine. A PG that gets drafted for his defense first almost always ends up off the ball or as a backup. Even the great Marcus Smart - which everyone loves to use as an example - typically plays as a 2. Guys like Jalen Suggs with modest ball skill but a ferocious defender slide over to the 2 because they aren't skilled or shoot well enough to run an offense. A guy like Castle faces the same shift he doesn't force teams to guard him.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1069 » by gesa2 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:27 am

So DAT out of

Steph Curry, Dame Lillard, De'Aaron Fox, Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Tyrese Maxey, Jamal Murray

Who do you think Dillingham will be as good or better on defense?
Making extreme statements like "only" sounds like there are "no" Jokics in this draft? Jokic is an engine that was drafted in the 2nd round. Always a chance to see diamond dropped by sloppy burgular after a theft.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1070 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:39 am

gesa2 wrote:So DAT out of

Steph Curry, Dame Lillard, De'Aaron Fox, Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Tyrese Maxey, Jamal Murray

Who do you think Dillingham will be as good or better on defense?


He'll start off as the worst because he's a rookie :D

Obviously he needs to gain some weight and get stronger.

That list btw includes guys who at one time or another were terrible on D. Maxey is still pretty bad.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1071 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jun 3, 2024 4:00 am

Good episode of No Ceilings

Including prospects like Dadiet & Flowers... This is why I want more picks in this draft., there is a lot of potential.

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1072 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jun 3, 2024 4:03 am

doclinkin wrote:Still my guy. Stephon Castle in the year before UConn.



Puff piece but it has footage of Castle vs Bronny, Ace Bailey, Collier, winning with the Team USA U18 squad, and for the East at the McDonald's all american game.




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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1073 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jun 3, 2024 4:31 am

I'd love to snag Zacharie Perrin at 51.




19 yr old, 6-11 PF from France.

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Perrin is a high energy forward who impacts all aspects of the game. The former Illinois recruit has a solid frame and is a naturally strong player who isn’t afraid to throw his weight around. He’s also a decisive and quick mover, screener and cutter who always looks like he knows what he’s doing on the court and makes good, quick decisions.

He’s not an elite level athlete or above the rim player but is very crafty, tough and skilled.

He’s got a decent perimeter shot, can face-up and beat his man off the bounce and gets above with rim with his size and length.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1074 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 6:58 am

A guy to keep an eye on in the second round
Ajay Mitchell form uc Santa Barbara!
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Post#1075 » by Frichuela » Mon Jun 3, 2024 12:26 pm

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1076 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:24 pm

Interesting stats there^
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Post#1078 » by Jay81 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:42 pm

we need to hope Atlanta takes Rischacher...or trade down. I would take reed sheppard at 2 before Rischacher
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1079 » by NatP4 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:43 pm

closg00 wrote:Interesting stats there^


Are they?

Can’t really compare NCAA players to an 18/19 year old playing in French pro A/Eurocup.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1080 » by TGW » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:46 pm

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I asked this on the draft board, but who is the better prospect-Castle or Anthony Black. Got a couple of responses who prefered Black and I think one person said Castle.

I wasn't a fan of Black and I'm not a fan of Castle. Castle reminds me of Marcus Smart, who is a good player. I just couldn't fathom taking Marcus Smart with the second pick in any draft.
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