Another GOAT poll - this time with multiple selections (3)

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Who is the GOAT? (pick 3)

Bird
17
6%
Duncan
11
4%
Kareem
58
21%
LeBron
49
18%
Magic
8
3%
MJ
82
29%
Russell
35
13%
Shaq
4
1%
Wilt
6
2%
Other (Bryant/Olajuwon/Curry/Jokic etc.)
8
3%
 
Total votes: 278

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Another GOAT poll - this time with multiple selections (3) 

Post#1 » by TheNG » Sat Jun 1, 2024 9:39 am

Yes, I know - there were multiple threads about it in the past, but most of them had only 1 option to vote in the poll. This is all nice, but doesn't give the full picture.
This time we will do it with 3 votes per person - so let's see how it affects the results.
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Post#2 » by TheNG » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:29 pm

Interesting results so far
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Post#3 » by PassMeTheBall » Sat Jun 1, 2024 7:37 pm

Jordan
Kareem
Russell
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Post#4 » by scrabbarista » Sat Jun 1, 2024 9:16 pm

I don't see anyone other than MJ, LBJ, and KAJ, other than possibly Duncan, but that requires some unusual thinking.

I have Jokic 12th as of the end of the 2024 playoffs. If he'd won the title, I probably would have him 10th. He's just a tad behind Curry now, but Curry obviously has had like seven more years age-wise, so Jokic will blow waaaaay past him if he plays a long time. Top five is definitely in range for Jokic. I'm so curious how the rest of his career goes!
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Re: Another GOAT poll - this time with multiple selections (3) 

Post#5 » by Maxthirty » Sat Jun 1, 2024 9:26 pm

It’s LeBron, Kareem, and MJ. Anything else is sour grapes.
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Post#6 » by Yoshun » Sat Jun 1, 2024 9:28 pm

LeBron is 4th in this poll?

Come on guys.
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Post#7 » by TheNG » Sun Jun 2, 2024 3:39 pm

Yoshun wrote:LeBron is 4th in this poll?

Come on guys.

It seems like more than half of the voters so far didn't vote for him. It's a little surprising.
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Post#8 » by HomoSapien » Sun Jun 2, 2024 3:44 pm

Maxthirty wrote:It’s LeBron, Kareem, and MJ. Anything else is sour grapes.


That's my three, but to put Bill Russell in the top three doesn't feel like sour grapes to me.
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Post#9 » by NZB2323 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 3:46 pm

Jordan, Lebron, and Kareem all have multiple MVPs, multiple Finals MVPs, dominance, 2 way play, are well rounded, and have longevity.
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Post#10 » by NZB2323 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 3:48 pm

Yoshun wrote:LeBron is 4th in this poll?

Come on guys.


I voted for him, and now he’s tied for 3rd with Bill Russell. It’s not exactly a travesty.
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Post#11 » by Loneshot » Sun Jun 2, 2024 3:50 pm

Wow, Russell with 19 votes... definitely a nostalgia/respect votes. I'm sure the comp was competitive for that time, but there were far fewer teams to play against. Anyone that won titles when there were about 10 teams can't be in this debate.
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Post#12 » by xdrta+ » Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:01 pm

Loneshot wrote:Wow, Russell with 19 votes... definitely a nostalgia/respect votes. I'm sure the comp was competitive for that time, but there were far fewer teams to play against. Anyone that won titles when there were about 10 teams can't be in this debate.


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Post#13 » by The-Stallion70 » Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:14 pm

LeBron is the most talented player of all time. MJ is the most accomplished and best player of all time IMO.
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Post#14 » by Maxthirty » Sun Jun 2, 2024 4:38 pm

HomoSapien wrote:
Maxthirty wrote:It’s LeBron, Kareem, and MJ. Anything else is sour grapes.


That's my three, but to put Bill Russell in the top three doesn't feel like sour grapes to me.


Yeah, I was going to make a note regarding Russell. I still think it’s a bit of a stretch, but it’s understandable to have Bill in there.
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Post#15 » by bledredwine » Sun Jun 2, 2024 7:06 pm

What people overlook-

Peak
Jordan
Wilt/Kareem
the rest (I've got Bird, but many would argue Lebron, Kobe, whatever)

Winning championships/records
Russell/Jordan (era adjusted)
Magic/Kareem (relative to years played)
Duncan/Kobe
Bird belongs way up there, but I realize I'm probably along on this.
the rest

Achievements
Jordan/Kareem
Lebron/Russell
the rest
Longevity
Kareem/Lebron
Malone/KG/Duncan

Stats
Jordan/Wilt
Lebron/Oscar
the rest

Of course, there's intangibles/competitive mindset and leadership as well. I imagine Russell would be very high on this list as would Bird/MJ.

And the very last needs to be era adjusted so it's hard to say.
:o LeBron is 0-7 in game winning/tying FGs in the finals. And is 20/116 or 17% in game winning/tying FGs in the 4th/OT for his career. That's historically bad :o
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Post#16 » by Yoshun » Sun Jun 2, 2024 7:16 pm

NZB2323 wrote:
Yoshun wrote:LeBron is 4th in this poll?

Come on guys.


I voted for him, and now he’s tied for 3rd with Bill Russell. It’s not exactly a travesty.


Nope, but when I posted he was like 12 votes behind Bill Russell.
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Re: Another GOAT poll - this time with multiple selections (3) 

Post#17 » by PassMeTheBall » Sun Jun 2, 2024 7:45 pm

bledredwine wrote:What people overlook-

Peak
Jordan
Wilt/Kareem
the rest (I've got Bird, but many would argue Lebron, Kobe, whatever)

Winning championships/records
Russell/Jordan (era adjusted)
Magic/Kareem (relative to years played)
Duncan/Kobe
Bird belongs way up there, but I realize I'm probably along on this.
the rest

Achievements
Jordan/Kareem
Lebron/Russell
the rest
Longevity
Kareem/Lebron
Malone/KG/Duncan

Stats
Jordan/Wilt
Lebron/Oscar
the rest

Of course, there's intangibles/competitive mindset and leadership as well. I imagine Russell would be very high on this list as would Bird/MJ.

And the very last needs to be era adjusted so it's hard to say.


After reading this which I agree with quite a bit of it, who were the 3 you voted for? Or you couldn't decide?
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Post#18 » by TheNG » Mon Jun 3, 2024 3:59 am

So it seems doing a poll with 3 votes instead of 1 changes the "usual" results a little
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Re: Another GOAT poll - this time with multiple selections (3) 

Post#19 » by bledredwine » Mon Jun 3, 2024 10:59 am

PassMeTheBall wrote:
bledredwine wrote:What people overlook-

Peak
Jordan
Wilt/Kareem
the rest (I've got Bird, but many would argue Lebron, Kobe, whatever)

Winning championships/records
Russell/Jordan (era adjusted)
Magic/Kareem (relative to years played)
Duncan/Kobe
Bird belongs way up there, but I realize I'm probably along on this.
the rest

Achievements
Jordan/Kareem
Lebron/Russell
the rest
Longevity
Kareem/Lebron
Malone/KG/Duncan

Stats
Jordan/Wilt
Lebron/Oscar
the rest

Of course, there's intangibles/competitive mindset and leadership as well. I imagine Russell would be very high on this list as would Bird/MJ.

And the very last needs to be era adjusted so it's hard to say.


After reading this which I agree with quite a bit of it, who were the 3 you voted for? Or you couldn't decide?


For me, I prioritize who played “better basketball” and great ceiling raisers above longevity, so my three are Jordan, Kareem and Bird. I think that Bird in his prime was the only player similar to MJ in that he resembled an unfair video game player.

With these three, you felt that they always had control over the game, regardless of quarter. Jordan was sometimes a slow starter, but he chose to be since he didn’t play point and couldn’t get teammates involved as easily as anyone with a point role.
:o LeBron is 0-7 in game winning/tying FGs in the finals. And is 20/116 or 17% in game winning/tying FGs in the 4th/OT for his career. That's historically bad :o
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Re: Another GOAT poll - this time with multiple selections (3) 

Post#20 » by hauntedcomputer » Mon Jun 3, 2024 12:02 pm

Loneshot wrote:Wow, Russell with 19 votes... definitely a nostalgia/respect votes. I'm sure the comp was competitive for that time, but there were far fewer teams to play against. Anyone that won titles when there were about 10 teams can't be in this debate.


Yeah he was just a role player. His role was winning championships at every level.

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