An early summer 2024 thread

[Clemenza]

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[MartinToVaught]

Looks like he did this before without going full 163-329.

Guess we can stop acting like a rebuild has to be full 163-329.

Let's also not pretend like 163-329 wasn't bookended by 17 championships before it and another one after it. I don't feel bad at all that Laker fans finally had to go through some down years like every other fanbase in the NBA does sometimes.

The Process is a terrible example too. Most Sixers fans were objectively more excited and engaged with those teams than they were for Jrue, Hawes and Thad Young winning 35 games every year.

Truth be told, I would gladly sign up for 163-329 with a championship afterwards. The joy and relief of finally getting that ring would more than make up for the previous years. Real misery is having an aging treadmill team with the bleakest future in the sport and an owner who's too much of a fanboy to fire the people who are running his franchise into the ground.

[Quake Griffin]

If he doesn't want to rebuild at 68, what's he going to do at ages 71-73?

Sign 36 year old Kawhi to a 5 year deal?

[KL2]

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The younger guys.

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[esqtvd]

Looks like he did this before without going full 163-329.

Guess we can stop acting like a rebuild has to be full 163-329.

Let's also not pretend like 163-329 wasn't bookended by 17 championships before it and another one after it. I don't feel bad at all that Laker fans finally had to go through some down years like every other fanbase in the NBA does sometimes.

The Process is a terrible example too. Most Sixers fans were objectively more excited and engaged with those teams than they were for Jrue, Hawes and Thad Young winning 35 games every year.

Truth be told, I would gladly sign up for 163-329 with a championship afterwards. The joy and relief of finally getting that ring would more than make up for the previous years. Real misery is having an aging treadmill team with the bleakest future in the sport and an owner who's too much of a fanboy to fire the people who are running his franchise into the ground.

Well, Ballmer isn't up for 17-win seasons. And Philly wasn't either, lol. It was a disgrace. I can't argue with unfacts.

The Lakers did at least manage to draft some interesting young talent, though. Which we can't.

[esqtvd]

I was hoping Nico would come back on a minimum deal because his family wants to be in LA and that's pretty much all we might be able to offer. But it looks like Philly might be willing to put up some real coin.

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/nba-free-agency-sixers-nico-batum-kelly-oubre-kyle-lowry-20240602.html

Batum, who the Sixers acquired via a trade from the Los Angeles Clippers on Nov. 1, made $11.7 million last season. The team holds his Bird rights and has a cap hold of $17.5 million on the 35-year-old.

The Sixers feel like they will be able to work something out with him in free agency. The 6-foot-8, 230-pound forward didn’t expect to like Philadelphia, but ended up loving it here. And Embiid made it known to Batum what he expects him to do.

“You’re coming back to the Sixers,” he told his good friend while interrupting his media scrum following the season-ending Game 6 first-round loss to the New York Knicks on May 6.

That’s because the 16-year veteran was a great fit. He doesn’t need the ball to make an impact on offense. Defensively, Batum wasn’t just one of the team’s best perimeter defenders. He was able to guard all five positions for the Sixers.

As a result, he’s at the top of Sixers’ priority list for retaining free agents. However, he's a candidate for a little more money than originally expected on a shorter deal.

[wakelaunch1]

I was hoping Nico would come back on a minimum deal because his family wants to be in LA and that's pretty much all we might be able to offer. But it looks like Philly might be willing to put up some real coin.

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/nba-free-agency-sixers-nico-batum-kelly-oubre-kyle-lowry-20240602.html

Batum, who the Sixers acquired via a trade from the Los Angeles Clippers on Nov. 1, made $11.7 million last season. The team holds his Bird rights and has a cap hold of $17.5 million on the 35-year-old.

The Sixers feel like they will be able to work something out with him in free agency. The 6-foot-8, 230-pound forward didn’t expect to like Philadelphia, but ended up loving it here. And Embiid made it known to Batum what he expects him to do.

“You’re coming back to the Sixers,” he told his good friend while interrupting his media scrum following the season-ending Game 6 first-round loss to the New York Knicks on May 6.

That’s because the 16-year veteran was a great fit. He doesn’t need the ball to make an impact on offense. Defensively, Batum wasn’t just one of the team’s best perimeter defenders. He was able to guard all five positions for the Sixers.

As a result, he’s at the top of Sixers’ priority list for retaining free agents. However, he's a candidate for a little more money than originally expected on a shorter deal.

good for him. Embiid makes things easier for Batum. Hes not a great rebounder but fits well with someone like Embiid who can gobble up rebounds. Its a better fit than the Clippers honestly

[Quake Griffin]

When can we start trying to build for a championship again?

2030?
Not going to dignify any discussion about Nicolas Batum here like that's going to get us a parade.

[esqtvd]

I was hoping Nico would come back on a minimum deal because his family wants to be in LA and that's pretty much all we might be able to offer. But it looks like Philly might be willing to put up some real coin.

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/nba-free-agency-sixers-nico-batum-kelly-oubre-kyle-lowry-20240602.html

Batum, who the Sixers acquired via a trade from the Los Angeles Clippers on Nov. 1, made $11.7 million last season. The team holds his Bird rights and has a cap hold of $17.5 million on the 35-year-old.

The Sixers feel like they will be able to work something out with him in free agency. The 6-foot-8, 230-pound forward didn’t expect to like Philadelphia, but ended up loving it here. And Embiid made it known to Batum what he expects him to do.

“You’re coming back to the Sixers,” he told his good friend while interrupting his media scrum following the season-ending Game 6 first-round loss to the New York Knicks on May 6.

That’s because the 16-year veteran was a great fit. He doesn’t need the ball to make an impact on offense. Defensively, Batum wasn’t just one of the team’s best perimeter defenders. He was able to guard all five positions for the Sixers.

As a result, he’s at the top of Sixers’ priority list for retaining free agents. However, he's a candidate for a little more money than originally expected on a shorter deal.

good for him. Embiid makes things easier for Batum. Hes not a great rebounder but fits well with someone like Embiid who can gobble up rebounds. Its a better fit than the Clippers honestly

Even at 35, I think he would start over Mann. The numbers are similar but Batum has legit PF size and can guard 1-5. Kawhi took a lot of banging as the de facto 4.

Nico has made about $200M in the NBA. He might not go to the highest bidder.

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OTOH, I don't know how he feels about Ballmer giving him the Blake treatment. I'm not big on trading people who signed with you willingly as UFAs. Especially without asking them.

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[Quake Griffin]

When can we start trying to build for a championship again?

Please advise.

2030?

[Captain Ballmer]

When can we start trying to build for a championship again?

Please advise.

2030?

We already trying bro. Harden-Zu is our floor raisers. Kawhi is ceiling. We just need to invest the system. No Russ, No Plumlee, No Tucker. Hopefully PG13 opt-in to get traded some over the cap team like Miami? New York? Get Herro or Randle to take some burden off the regular season from Kawhi.

[Clemenza]

Intuit is going to be a hot ticket and the place to be. Another reason we can't blow it up and do a rebuild right now.

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[jengmann3]

My targets. IDK how to actually get it done.

Reasonable targets
Kyle kuzma
Collin Sexton
Ben Simmons
Andre Drummond

Unreasonable targets
Darius Garland
Trae Young

[Sofia]

What are we gonna do with T Mann? Like, mid to long term? How much more are we expecting from him? Is it time to move on?

He’s now 5 seasons in and only averages 0.9 3pm and 0.6 steals in 22 minutes per game across 71 starts. PER is 13.0 and VORP is 0.2

This time next year he’ll be 29, a free agent, and a cap hold of $17m.

[KL2]

What are we gonna do with T Mann? Like, mid to long term? How much more are we expecting from him? Is it time to move on?

He’s now 5 seasons in and only averages 0.9 3pm and 0.6 steals in 22 minutes per game across 71 starts. PER is 13.0 and VORP is 0.2

This time next year he’ll be 29, a free agent, and a cap hold of $17m.

He is what he is. No sign of improvement at this stage. Regardless of stats you could count on him for energy and hustle. No consistency there anymore.

They’ve deemed him untouchable the last 2 seasons so don’t expect him to be traded. He’s the one draft pick they’ve hit on in the last 5 years so they think of him as MJ.

They’ll swap out guys like Diabate, Bones, BBJ, maybe Brown with older vets on vet minimum and boast how they improved on the margins.

[ejftw]

My targets. IDK how to actually get it done.

Reasonable targets
Kyle kuzma
Collin Sexton
Ben Simmons
Andre Drummond

Unreasonable targets
Darius Garland
Trae Young

I don't see Kuz nor Sexton as realistic targets. Due to the CBA, neither is Simmons as Clips can't aggregate unless it's in a George opt in and trade move. Drummond could probably be had for the minimum, but who knows if he'd be content being Zu's backup.

Wonder if we can convince Paul that the Nets are gonna take the next step, get Simmons' expiring with, say, the Suns 25 FRP, the worst of the Rockets/Nets 27 FRP and the 6ers 27 FRP.

Of course, that's going under the assumption that George is gone and to try to salvage something out of it.

[Roscoe Sheed]

My targets. IDK how to actually get it done.

Reasonable targets
Kyle kuzma
Collin Sexton
Ben Simmons
Andre Drummond

Unreasonable targets
Darius Garland
Trae Young

I don't see Kuz nor Sexton as realistic targets. Due to the CBA, neither is Simmons as Clips can't aggregate unless it's in a George opt in and trade move. Drummond could probably be had for the minimum, but who knows if he'd be content being Zu's backup.

Wonder if we can convince Paul that the Nets are gonna take the next step, get Simmons' expiring with, say, the Suns 25 FRP, the worst of the Rockets/Nets 27 FRP and the 6ers 27 FRP.

Of course, that's going under the assumption that George is gone and to try to salvage something out of it.

why would anyone want Simmons? He is the most injury prone player in the NBA- even more than Kawhi and Simmons is a very flawed player even when he is healthy

[MartinToVaught]

Intuit is going to be a hot ticket and the place to be. Another reason we can't blow it up and do a rebuild right now.

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Maybe for a couple games until the novelty wears off and everyone remembers how screwed this team is.

Jay-Z literally co-owned the Nets when Barclays opened and they were only 16th in attendance that year. The following year, after the big splashy Pierce/KG trade, they moved down to 17th in attendance. As it turns out, a shiny new arena is not a substitute for competence or winning.

[madmaxmedia]

My targets. IDK how to actually get it done.

Reasonable targets
Kyle kuzma
Collin Sexton
Ben Simmons
Andre Drummond

Unreasonable targets
Darius Garland
Trae Young

I don't see Kuz nor Sexton as realistic targets. Due to the CBA, neither is Simmons as Clips can't aggregate unless it's in a George opt in and trade move. Drummond could probably be had for the minimum, but who knows if he'd be content being Zu's backup.

Wonder if we can convince Paul that the Nets are gonna take the next step, get Simmons' expiring with, say, the Suns 25 FRP, the worst of the Rockets/Nets 27 FRP and the 6ers 27 FRP.

Of course, that's going under the assumption that George is gone and to try to salvage something out of it.

why would anyone want Simmons? He is the most injury prone player in the NBA- even more than Kawhi and Simmons is a very flawed player even when he is healthy

It would be a buy-low reclamation project, if he was at all getable we could maybe send him to a Malibu rehab facility for the summer and hope he can find or reclaim his safe spot/inner warrior.

[madmaxmedia]

What are we gonna do with T Mann? Like, mid to long term? How much more are we expecting from him? Is it time to move on?

He’s now 5 seasons in and only averages 0.9 3pm and 0.6 steals in 22 minutes per game across 71 starts. PER is 13.0 and VORP is 0.2

This time next year he’ll be 29, a free agent, and a cap hold of $17m.

He is what he is. No sign of improvement at this stage. Regardless of stats you could count on him for energy and hustle. No consistency there anymore.

They’ve deemed him untouchable the last 2 seasons so don’t expect him to be traded. He’s the one draft pick they’ve hit on in the last 5 years so they think of him as MJ.

They’ll swap out guys like Diabate, Bones, BBJ, maybe Brown with older vets on vet minimum and boast how they improved on the margins.

He's a really solid NBA player who is a great team guy who could find a role on almost any team. And unlike much of our team, still in the middle of his prime. So we hold onto him unless we get a really good trade offer, or he becomes too expensive to keep.