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Post#321 » by Wingy » Wed Jun 5, 2024 8:23 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:Silence when it comes to white privelage is just as damaging as anything, cause she has the platform where she can HELP change the narrative.


A lot of flat out truth to what you wrote on what she could do, and what would best for her to do to serve the greater good. Yet this is also a 22 year old who is privileged we’re talking about, and who may be simply weak compared to Paige or HVL in this regard. Or, maybe she needs a little more time.

Michael Jordan didn’t say **** his whole career about…anything. I’m going to cut her a little slack at this stage for not fixing [edit: “addressing” is a better word, I know you’re reasonable and don’t expect her to fix it] something maybe no player has ever been up against, and at its deepest roots is no fault of hers, nor her league mates.
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Post#322 » by TerrenceClarke » Wed Jun 5, 2024 8:45 pm

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TerrenceClarke wrote:Silence when it comes to white privelage is just as damaging as anything, cause she has the platform where she can HELP change the narrative.


A lot of flat out truth to what you wrote on what she could do, and what would best for her to do to serve the greater good. Yet this is also a 22 year old who is privileged we’re talking about, and who may be simply weak compared to Paige or HVL in this regard. Or, maybe she needs a little more time.

Michael Jordan didn’t say **** his whole career about…anything. I’m going to cut her a little slack at this stage for not fixing [edit: “addressing” is a better word, I know you’re reasonable and don’t expect her to fix it] something maybe no player has ever been up against, and at its deepest roots is no fault of hers, nor her league mates.



Typical excuses when I posted two players still in college that did it. Age is not an excuse at all.

Paige was not even 22 when she did it lol

She is not fighting a war in Russia she is just standing up for what’s right.

The same way black players/ media are defending her in the treatment she is getting …..she can simply return the favor.


But I get it. She is to “weak” for that supposedly right now
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Post#323 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 5, 2024 11:04 pm

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TerrenceClarke wrote:It was said that CC does not play a role in this with the narrative in the WNBA how its her vs the WNBA but she does.

She plays a role in being SILENT on the whats obvious being said by her fans and the likes. She is fully aware of the racism etc being hurled at the black athletes in the WNBA. She is FULLY aware that she has taken the shine away from more accomplished players with all the media attention being given to her.

Imagine a world where CC gets more press than AJa who is destroying the league right now with her play. :nonono:

Silence when it comes to white privelage is just as damaging as anything, cause she has the platform where she can HELP change the narrative.

But all she is doing is playing this victim role which feeds all these racist mofos talking schit. She is playing this woe is me role which is mad corny.

Its why I respect white players like Paige and Hailey, cause they actually use their platforms to change the narrative against black female ballers.


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Hailey Van Lith is a real one, and Paige has Black family members and she doesn't mess around about this stuff at all, that's why i was a fan of hers since before she signed on at UCONN, she's real af. I love those two, I really hope Hailey can turn it around this upcoming season because I felt like Kim Mulkey absolutely did her dirty and part of me thinks it's because Hailey opened her mouth in support of her teammates. I'm so glad Angel is out of LSU, I hope Flau'jae will be alright. I don't trust Kim.

I'm not gonna get on CC for not speaking out, she may be instructed by her PR team not to touch hot button issues, personally I don't know what she thinks.

But you are 100% right. Silence is not helping, especially when people like Aliyah Boston have been met with racist attacks this season. Players like her have to speak up. Cam said exactly what needed to be said and didn't give a damn who doesn't like it. I hope CC comes to a point where she can too.


Dont let the complexion fool ya. Paige is black lol.

Its all keep saying when I see how she acts off the court. :lol:


Word :lol: Paige is kinda like Donte on the Knicks. Homey is technically white....but he ain't "white" :lol: he got that hood in him. But Paige is legit.

Let's just say when I first saw her high school footage, and then found out her step mom and brothers are Black, I was not surprised at ALL :lol:
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Post#324 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 5, 2024 11:13 pm

Wingy wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:Silence when it comes to white privelage is just as damaging as anything, cause she has the platform where she can HELP change the narrative.


A lot of flat out truth to what you wrote on what she could do, and what would best for her to do to serve the greater good. Yet this is also a 22 year old who is privileged we’re talking about, and who may be simply weak compared to Paige or HVL in this regard. Or, maybe she needs a little more time.

Michael Jordan didn’t say **** his whole career about…anything. I’m going to cut her a little slack at this stage for not fixing [edit: “addressing” is a better word, I know you’re reasonable and don’t expect her to fix it] something maybe no player has ever been up against, and at its deepest roots is no fault of hers, nor her league mates.


I'm cutting CC some slack because I feel like she's being handled by her management team to keep her image intact. I don't think she's on some BS either in terms of race or nothing, not after how I saw her with Maya Moore and how she is with her Black teammates. I think CC is kinda awkward tbh, which is perfectly fine!.

Hopefully she will use her platform like her fellow hoopers to speak up, the W is made up of some of our society's most vulnerable members: Black people, Women and LGBTQ.

But i fear also that a certain nasty subsect of our society who is trying to co opt her as the great white hope will try to come after her if she does. It's a lot that goes into this stuff so I prefer to give her grace. Everyone is built differently and this stuff is already toxic as hell.
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Post#325 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 5, 2024 11:17 pm

TC even my sister, who is a casual caught on to Paige real quick when she heard her speak during tourney time, she was doing a sit down with Milaysia Fulwiley I think

"Something is different about her I like her"

"Her momma and brothers are Black"

"Ohhhh! Yeah no wonder!"

Yall, us Black folks can tell when white folks are raised with us or around us :lol: we just -know-.
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Post#326 » by Wingy » Thu Jun 6, 2024 3:15 am

TerrenceClarke wrote:
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TerrenceClarke wrote:Silence when it comes to white privelage is just as damaging as anything, cause she has the platform where she can HELP change the narrative.


A lot of flat out truth to what you wrote on what she could do, and what would best for her to do to serve the greater good. Yet this is also a 22 year old who is privileged we’re talking about, and who may be simply weak compared to Paige or HVL in this regard. Or, maybe she needs a little more time.

Michael Jordan didn’t say **** his whole career about…anything. I’m going to cut her a little slack at this stage for not fixing [edit: “addressing” is a better word, I know you’re reasonable and don’t expect her to fix it] something maybe no player has ever been up against, and at its deepest roots is no fault of hers, nor her league mates.



Typical excuses when I posted two players still in college that did it. Age is not an excuse at all.

Paige was not even 22 when she did it lol

She is not fighting a war in Russia she is just standing up for what’s right.

The same way black players/ media are defending her in the treatment she is getting …..she can simply return the favor.


But I get it. She is to “weak” for that supposedly right now


Yet you went over Paige’s family background in this thread that I wasn’t familiar with before. I had seen some mention of Paige being black somewhere along the way quickly in the past, but honestly didn’t care enough to dig.

Do you think maybe just maybe her family deeply and fundamentally defined who she is? You really think that’s apples to apples to Clark’s life, and expect Clark can pull from that same well of family driven awareness and genuine understanding? How confident are you that Paige is still stepping up and making that same speech if her family dynamics were more like Clark’s? Wonder what the Vegas odds would be on that one.

HVL’s comment is clearly in direct response to a media member’s question about an attack on her teammates. Yet you act like she just stepped out randomly to make some big social stand.

I love Paige’s message, and it makes me an even bigger fan. Kudos to Hailey for speaking up for her teammates. But in the context of Clark and what you think she should do right now, quite frankly, these examples are rubbish.

I hope she finds her voice and can speak to a lot of things when she thinks the time is right. But all things considered, I can’t blame her one bit for focusing on just getting better at her job right now. Because if she can’t do that, so much of what women’s basketball has gained is going to fade away real fast.
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Post#327 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jun 6, 2024 3:28 am

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Post#328 » by DOT » Thu Jun 6, 2024 2:15 pm

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DirtybirdGA wrote:Is Vegas and the Sun on a collision course for the Finals? It seems you can write them in ink.


New York, Minnesota, and Seattle should still have something to say.


I was about to say don't discount my Libs :lol:

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Post#329 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jun 6, 2024 4:20 pm

DOT wrote:
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New York, Minnesota, and Seattle should still have something to say.


I was about to say don't discount my Libs :lol:

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I'll be at the game Sunday, be my third Sun-Liberty game. 0-2 so far, 1-2 in games I've been to overall.


Heh. Let's hope your luck continues :)
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Post#330 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jun 6, 2024 10:08 pm

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Post#331 » by zike_42 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 10:22 pm

Those rankings feel very "massaging the statistics" to get an outcome that will get the most clicks. Using win shares, per wins, spr wins as the metrics is of course going to make the 2-9 Fever players look bad. I find it a really weird way of sorting the rankings.
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Post#332 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 7, 2024 12:08 am

zike_42 wrote:Those rankings feel very "massaging the statistics" to get an outcome that will get the most clicks. Using win shares, per wins, spr wins as the metrics is of course going to make the 2-9 Fever players look bad. I find it a really weird way of sorting the rankings.


It's rage bait.

Brink and Jackson have been going through their growing pains just the same but it's not gonna drive clicks
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Post#333 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 7, 2024 1:30 am

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Post#334 » by TerrenceClarke » Fri Jun 7, 2024 3:05 pm

Love this Energy....

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Post#335 » by TerrenceClarke » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:38 pm

While I love Angel on the SKY....

The Mystics dropped the ball, not getting Angel. She would have done numbers for their attendance and visibility since she is from Baltimore. They slept on what she could have done for their franchise.

That arena was packed because of her homecoming...

The Visibility of the SKY has went up alot since Reese got there.
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Post#336 » by sikma42 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 5:09 pm

Angel Reese is quite the talent. Right now she is extremely raw offensively but is an extraordinary athlete with a big-time motor. Her anticipation, movement and hands on defense are also quite good. If she can develop a better layup/finishing package then she can be a top 15 player or so player in the league.

It's a big if, but she would have to redo her finishing from the ground up. Lot of those shots are just out of control junk shots, which she has prob gotten away with due to her talent level.
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Post#337 » by TerrenceClarke » Fri Jun 7, 2024 5:51 pm

sikma42 wrote:Angel Reese is quite the talent. Right now she is extremely raw offensively but is an extraordinary athlete with a big-time motor. Her anticipation, movement and hands on defense are also quite good. If she can develop a better layup/finishing package then she can be a top 15 player or so player in the league.

It's a big if, but she would have to redo her finishing from the ground up. Lot of those shots are just out of control junk shots, which she has prob gotten away with due to her talent level.



yeah the motor is crazy. You know its Crazy cause she is hanging physically in the paint and getting boards at a elite level. Thats all hustle right there.

She was picking Stewie pockets out the gate with how quick her hands are. She def will be among the league leaders in steals as well.
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Post#338 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:36 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:Love this Energy....



She is such a dork I love it :lol: mean mug em Angel they can't handle it
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Post#339 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:42 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:
sikma42 wrote:Angel Reese is quite the talent. Right now she is extremely raw offensively but is an extraordinary athlete with a big-time motor. Her anticipation, movement and hands on defense are also quite good. If she can develop a better layup/finishing package then she can be a top 15 player or so player in the league.

It's a big if, but she would have to redo her finishing from the ground up. Lot of those shots are just out of control junk shots, which she has prob gotten away with due to her talent level.



yeah the motor is crazy. You know its Crazy cause she is hanging physically in the paint and getting boards at a elite level. Thats all hustle right there.

She was picking Stewie pockets out the gate with how quick her hands are. She def will be among the league leaders in steals as well.


The fact that the she adjusted to the physicality from the NCAAs to the W overnight hasn't gone unnoticed. She is a very special player with a high ceiling for improvement. She's going to become a two way player it's just a matter of when it starts coming together.

Her being under Coach 'spoon's tutelage is just the icing on the cake.
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Post#340 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:47 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:While I love Angel on the SKY....

The Mystics dropped the ball, not getting Angel. She would have done numbers for their attendance and visibility since she is from Baltimore. They slept on what she could have done for their franchise.

That arena was packed because of her homecoming...

The Visibility of the SKY has went up alot since Reese got there.


I agree, but I am keeping my eye on Aaliyah Edwards on that Washington team. She's starting to figure it out, I think she will be an all star sooner than later.

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