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2024 Draft Thread - Part II

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1361 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 9:30 pm

TGW wrote:
nate33 wrote:My dream draft scenario:

Trade Kuzma for Giddey and the HOU 2025 FRP
Trade #2 to San Antonio for #8 and the ATL 2025 FRP
Draft Holland at #8 (or Buzelis if Holland is gone)
Draft Holmes at #26

We land one of the few guys with actual star upside in Holland, while also adding two 2025 picks that are likely to be in 8-16 range. We field a lineup where Kispert is the oldest guy in the rotation, try to develop young guys, and tank for 2025:

PG Giddey/Butler
SG Poole/Kispert
SF Deni/Kispert
PF Holland/Holmes
C Bagley/Vukcevic


You gotta problem with Bilal? :P


Yup. Forgot Bilal. So:

PG Giddey/Butler
SG Poole/Kispert
SF Deni/Kispert
PF Bilal/Holland/Holmes
C Bagley/Vukcevic/Holmes

Not a lot of shooting in that starting lineup so maybe it would have to be:
PG Poole/Butler
SG Kispert/Giddey
SF Deni/Kispert
PF Bilal/Holland/Holmes
C Bagley/Vukcevic/Holmes

Eh. Not sure it matters. There's not much shooting on the whole team outside of Poole and Kispert.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1362 » by AFM » Fri Jun 7, 2024 10:05 pm

yeah that team is brick city
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1363 » by badinage » Fri Jun 7, 2024 11:33 pm

What’s wrong with Clingan?

Methinks we’re seeing what he can’t do instead of seeing what he can.

He’s also not a finished product.

7-3 in shoes. 280. A shutdown center inside. Makes smart plays. Efficient.

On offense, still a WIP. But he’ll score a little on rolls and putbacks. And maybe the shot develops.

His development from freshman year to sophomore year — it’s almost Hakeem-like. Massive jump to the player who dominated the inside in the NCAA tourney.

Two titles in two years.

If this is Marc Gasol — and that’s who I see so far as a comp — that’s a player.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1364 » by NatP4 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:10 am

Edey scored some garbage time points against him
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1365 » by Benjammin » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:13 am

I'd rather have Clingan at this point than Risacher for what it's worth.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1366 » by AFM » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:19 am

I don't want any of these bums....straight up. draft full of bums... like I said before I wouldnt trade Deni for the #1 pick. bunch of BUMS!!!!
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1367 » by DCZards » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:21 am

I can see why Clingan would be appealing to some teams. He does a lot of good things that impacts winning and, based on recent videos of him shooting, I expect him to eventually be at least an average 3pt shooter.

I don’t necessarily want to see the Zards take him with the second pick tho.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1368 » by gesa2 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:32 am

I trust our front office so I won’t be upset if we take Clingan. But my hope is that working him out is a smokescreen to get someone to trade up with us instead of Houston for him
Making extreme statements like "only" sounds like there are "no" Jokics in this draft? Jokic is an engine that was drafted in the 2nd round. Always a chance to see diamond dropped by sloppy burgular after a theft.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1369 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:16 am

New CBS Sports Mock Draft has Wizards taking Reed Sheppard at 2.


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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1370 » by nate33 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:09 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:New CBS Sports Mock Draft has Wizards taking Reed Sheppard at 2.




I'd be okay with this. The draftnik expert on the video made an astute observation. He compared Sheppard to Curry - not that he would become as great as Curry because you never predict that kind of greatness - but simply that Steph Curry had the same exact concerns. People were so worried about what Curry couldn't do, because he was small with a limited wingspan and questionable PG skills, that they failed to properly appreciate what Curry could do.

Sheppard clearly has a floor of a Grayson Allen/Divincenzo type of shooting guard, but they don't appreciate his ceiling. What if a team manages to leverage his shooting and have him run around the court off of screens like Curry? He presumably won't score 30 like Curry, but he could still bend a defense.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1371 » by NatP4 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:16 am

nate33 wrote:Sheppard clearly has a floor of a Grayson Allen/Divincenzo type of shooting guard


Based on what?
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1372 » by closg00 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 11:50 am

Following up about Tyler Smith, Kevin Broom’s YODA puts him as a FRP.
https://www.bulletsforever.com/2024/6/8/24173998/nba-draft-2024-forward-prospects-washington-wizards
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1373 » by Dat2U » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:02 pm

nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:New CBS Sports Mock Draft has Wizards taking Reed Sheppard at 2.




I'd be okay with this. The draftnik expert on the video made an astute observation. He compared Sheppard to Curry - not that he would become as great as Curry because you never predict that kind of greatness - but simply that Steph Curry had the same exact concerns. People were so worried about what Curry couldn't do, because he was small with a limited wingspan and questionable PG skills, that they failed to properly appreciate what Curry could do.

Sheppard clearly has a floor of a Grayson Allen/Divincenzo type of shooting guard, but they don't appreciate his ceiling. What if a team manages to leverage his shooting and have him run around the court off of screens like Curry? He presumably won't score 30 like Curry, but he could still bend a defense.


Steph would not have been Steph without his ball-skill. He had the ball on a string in college. His handle was significantly advanced. That's why he could be a shot creator without elite athleticism and being undersized. Reed doesn't have that at all. I like Reed alot but I think he's more of a deluxe complimentary piece than a guy capable of taking over NBA games.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1374 » by doclinkin » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:19 pm

badinage wrote:What’s wrong with Clingan?

Methinks we’re seeing what he can’t do instead of seeing what he can.

He’s also not a finished product.

7-3 in shoes. 280. A shutdown center inside. Makes smart plays. Efficient.

On offense, still a WIP. But he’ll score a little on rolls and putbacks. And maybe the shot develops.

His development from freshman year to sophomore year — it’s almost Hakeem-like. Massive jump to the player who dominated the inside in the NCAA tourney.

Two titles in two years.

If this is Marc Gasol — and that’s who I see so far as a comp — that’s a player.


I like Clingan fine. I think his passing is an underappreciated aspect of his game. Maybe he gets comfortable shooting an outside shot, or even a midrange above the FT line. If so it weaponizes his passing. I like the Gasol analogy, hopefully he gets a jumper sooner than Marc did to expand his game beyond the paint.

Defensively talking heads were discussing how mobile they thought he was guarding both outside and in. However the combine showed him to be notably slow-footed. I noticed in watching Stephon Castle highlights how often Clingan was marooned on the 3pt line where Castle ended up switching to defend the roll man all the way in and force the miss. Or Castle stifled the penetration long enough for Clingan to recover. But his mobility in a short space is excellent. He pivots and adjusts well under the cylinder, and looks like he'll be able to dance on the edge of those 3 second violations, defending a few players at once with size and rotation and length.

If I nitpick, I don't like his hands in traffic or under the basket. He bobbles receptions and misses putbacks when crowded. Maybe he gets stronger and is less likely to be jostled, I do see a risk in him adding muscle mass since he is one of those true giant types and has already had leg injury issues. That's the vulnerability of the biggest of the big. (A reason I'm so high on Edey is that despite a heavy load he has been durable and healthy). Medical staff will want a close look.

I have other guys I like better at #2, but he no question adds to a team's win total. Fills a need. I'd take him on a trade back. OTOH Sounds like Atlanta loves him and may trade out of #1 to take him a little lower so if we want him then #2 is the spot. I dunno. I would not cry if he's the pick. Positional length, BBIQ check. Upside, if he adds to his offense, sure.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1375 » by doclinkin » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:34 pm

Dat2U wrote:
nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:New CBS Sports Mock Draft has Wizards taking Reed Sheppard at 2.




I'd be okay with this. The draftnik expert on the video made an astute observation. He compared Sheppard to Curry - not that he would become as great as Curry because you never predict that kind of greatness - but simply that Steph Curry had the same exact concerns. People were so worried about what Curry couldn't do, because he was small with a limited wingspan and questionable PG skills, that they failed to properly appreciate what Curry could do.

Sheppard clearly has a floor of a Grayson Allen/Divincenzo type of shooting guard, but they don't appreciate his ceiling. What if a team manages to leverage his shooting and have him run around the court off of screens like Curry? He presumably won't score 30 like Curry, but he could still bend a defense.


Steph would not have been Steph without his ball-skill. He had the ball on a string in college. His handle was significantly advanced. That's why he could be a shot creator without elite athleticism and being undersized. Reed doesn't have that at all. I like Reed alot but I think he's more of a deluxe complimentary piece than a guy capable of taking over NBA games.


And he is clear about that himself:



Humble guy, sure, but every answer he credits his teammates' gravity with his ability to get those open shots. They make his game look easy because of what they can do with the ball. Yes, he made the shots, but he was not doubled and no team sent its best defender after him. He was not breaking his man down with deceptive footwork and dynamic ballhandling. What he did to at an elite level is perceive the court and time things exactly right. He is a savant in his sense of the kairotic moment. The understanding of the right thing to do at the right time. That is where he wins or loses in the NBA. The best PGs in the game excel in that, but he will need to add shifty handling to his game to really take advantage of it especially since he doesn't have great size. He's still a bucket in an offball role, knows how to use screens and picks to get open for that splitsecond. Makes the smart relay pass to the open guy. I like him next to Deni and on a team with Euro style ball movement. Again, another candidate I wish I could get while picking up another asset. But I'm greedy. I don't know if Dawkins takes him since he's on the flipside of the positional length and upside potential equation. Is there growth in his game? Assists and usage % yes. Again, I don't hate what he brings to the table.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1376 » by payitforward » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:45 pm

AFM wrote:I don't want any of these bums....straight up. draft full of bums... like I said before I wouldnt trade Deni for the #1 pick. bunch of BUMS!!!!

I can't wait tfor a couple of years to pass, so I can remind you that you wrote this! :)
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1377 » by payitforward » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:45 pm

Benjammin wrote:I'd rather have Clingan at this point than Risacher for what it's worth.

I'm with you on that.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1378 » by machu46 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:57 pm

NatP4 wrote:Edey scored some garbage time points against him


Edey scored a pretty fair amount in regular time too, particularly at the beginning of the game. He definitely feasted on UConn's backups a bit in the second half though. I think Clingan played him pretty well but had too many situations where he allowed Edey to seal him off deep in the paint and that allowed Edey to get some easy buckets. Some simply impressive hooks in there too where I think Clingan defended him well but still gave up the points.
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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1379 » by tontoz » Sat Jun 8, 2024 2:07 pm

Having watched Kentucky several times I don't buy the narrative that Sheppard was just the beneficiary of open shots created by teammates. A lot of his shots were contested and/ or off the dribble.

I think if anything his production might have been limited by having so many mouths to feed. When he actually decided to play aggressively and look for his own shot, he went off.

While he doesn't have the handles that Steph does his release is much higher. His pullup j is money and he doesn't need much space to get it off.

Mark Price is a much better comparison. Price wasn't as athletic as Sheppard. I don't think Price ever dunked in a game.

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Re: 2024 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#1380 » by Frichuela » Sat Jun 8, 2024 2:28 pm

Risacher (and Salaun) max vert is pretty bad…Dadiet is decent.

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