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[Knick4Real]

This front office isn’t dumb…. They’re not going after KAT

The KAT rumors might have legs because:

1) Leon promised Dolan he and WWW would get him a "star."
2) Unless someone surprisingly asks out, no other "star" may be available.
3) With our growth, picks, and other assets, the time to make a move for someone is now (before the new rules kick in).
4) Going after KAT would explain why we added former Minny POBO Rokas to our front office.
5) KAT can play the 4 or the 5 and could be the iHart replacement if he goes elsewhere.


The truth is, Minny is a secondary market team that can't afford to keep their current squad together and needs to save money/avoid the tax. With that said, the KNICKS might be able to nab KAT without giving up the farm or even any picks. We could end up having assets remaining for some future deal.

Other names ahead of KAT would be on my off-season wishlist. However, I do see multiple reasons why pursuing him might make sense for Leon.

[HarthorneWingo]

This front office isn’t dumb…. They’re not going after KAT

The KAT rumors might have legs because:

1) Leon promised Dolan he and WWW would get him a "star."
2) Unless someone surprisingly asks out, no other "star" may be available.
3) With our growth, picks, and other assets, the time to make a move for someone is now (before the new rules kick in).
4) Going after KAT would explain why we added former Minny POBO Rokas to our front office.
5) KAT can play the 4 or the 5 and could be the iHart replacement if he goes elsewhere.


The truth is, Minny is a secondary market team that can't afford to keep their current squad together and needs to save money/avoid the tax. With that said, the KNICKS might be able to nab KAT without giving up the farm or even any picks. We could end up having assets remaining for some future deal.

Other names ahead of KAT would be on my off-season wishlist. However, I do see multiple reasons why pursuing him might make sense for Leon.

OG’s a star. He was looking like Kawhi before he got hurt.

[knicksNOTslick]

KAT career 62.3% true shooting is night and day better than Randle's 55.7%.

It would make our offense way more efficient.

They both are super suspect playoff performers and KATs contract means he would have to be the legit #2 behind Brunson.

I would be on the fence. It really depends on what else we would have to give up alongside Randle.

i hate that we have such a hard on for kat man.. i mean i acknowledge he’s probably a much better fit with brunson than randle is but i just don’t see the championship caliber intangibles.. much rather go after a more sure fire 1a type sidekick

If Zion were available he’s the 1a I would want. Injury history and all.

Just between Zion and OG, we could potentially look at a ton of games missed between the 2 of them including the playoffs. We will need a strong bench because we would have a repeat of what happened this year with all the injuries. I'd rather acquire an iron man like Mikal Bridges instead. I can roll the dice on 1 injury prone star on a big contract but more than that, I might have to pass.

[DaGawd]

This front office isn’t dumb…. They’re not going after KAT

The KAT rumors might have legs because:

1) Leon promised Dolan he and WWW would get him a "star."
2) Unless someone surprisingly asks out, no other "star" may be available.
3) With our growth, picks, and other assets, the time to make a move for someone is now (before the new rules kick in).
4) Going after KAT would explain why we added former Minny POBO Rokas to our front office.
5) KAT can play the 4 or the 5 and could be the iHart replacement if he goes elsewhere.


The truth is, Minny is a secondary market team that can't afford to keep their current squad together and needs to save money/avoid the tax. With that said, the KNICKS might be able to nab KAT without giving up the farm or even any picks. We could end up having assets remaining for some future deal.

Other names ahead of KAT would be on my off-season wishlist. However, I do see multiple reasons why pursuing him might make sense for Leon.

OG’s a star. He was looking like Kawhi before he got hurt.

i wouldn’t go that far.. he can’t dribble or great nearly as well as kawhi.. but he had his moments

[HopelessKnick]

I was already on the fence in regards to a KAT for Randle + X swap. If picks were involved it is a clear cut "No" for me. However, ever since learning about the super restrictive rules of this CBA I would firmly reject a KAT move. KAT is not worth more than 40-45mill. a year, overpaying him by close to 10mill. a year is not a recipe for success.

At this point I would be very content if we take the Bogs expiring along with picks for a 2-way PG or wing that plays both ends of the floor. Does not need to be that slam dunk-star trade for me. Actually one could make the very sensible argument that building a team around 1-2 max contracts is more prudent than going the "3 stars route" where the team building around them will be severely impeded.

I do however kind of agree with the notion that if we look at our frontcourt of Mitch, Ihart, Precious and Randle we do lack shooting. In today's NBA it would be good to have at least one reliable shooter in that frontcourt rotation. I think Markannen would work like a treat in a line-up with Brunson-DD-OG-Markannen-IHart......the shooting from 1-4 would be insane and we'd likely still be very solid defensively. I also feel like Markannen is the type of character where one could work a sensible extension at like 4/140mill. type of numbers whereas Randle is probably going to be shooting for like 4/180mill. type numbers. One big reason against Markannen is however that he is very injury prone indeed. Don't know how I'd feel about OG and Markannen being our starting frontcourt. Could really backfire.

[HopelessKnick]

With Houston having reportedly offered to return the entire Nets stack of picks and pick swaps and the Nets having rejected that, I firmly believe we can lay any notion of Bridges joining the Knicks to rest now. If Brookly ever decided to trade Bridges, he will end up in Houston. I think that is becoming very obvious.

Looking at how many 3 and D wings (Williams, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy etc.) have emerged from the draft in the past couple years it is sad to see us not having made any pick there....would have been rather easy to have a really good one on our roster right now.

[sol537]

I would like to try to use Mitch or Bogs and picks to try to pry a guy like Tari Eason or Tre Murphy. Would love that route… young guys with upside… been working so far!

[Spree2Houston]

What was Thibs and KAT's relationship back when Thibs was coaching KAT?

Rocky

Watch on YouTube

I would take Thibs in a fight vs KAT

[Richard4444]

I don't know why people think great young players such as Eason, Murphy, Deni, and Herb Jones are available and cheap. This kind of player is moved in exchange for stars.

[sol537]

I don't know why people think great young players such as Eason, Murphy, Deni, and Herb Jones are available and cheap. This kind of player is moved in exchange for stars.

We found ways to get Brunson, Hart, OG, iHart, and DDV without emptying the warchest. We can figure out ways to get more great young players to add to the mix. Not every great young’ish player is untouchable. Far from it.

[RHODEY]

I don't know why people think great young players such as Eason, Murphy, Deni, and Herb Jones are available and cheap. This kind of player is moved in exchange for stars.

We found ways to get Brunson, Hart, OG, iHart, and DDV without emptying the warchest. We can figure out ways to get more great young players to add to the mix. Not every great young’ish player is untouchable. Far from it.

Right and sometimes teams are in a position where they cant hold on to all their young talent. OKC with Giddy is one example....Obi with us is another

[thebuzzardman]

This front office isn’t dumb…. They’re not going after KAT

The KAT rumors might have legs because:

1) Leon promised Dolan he and WWW would get him a "star."
2) Unless someone surprisingly asks out, no other "star" may be available.
3) With our growth, picks, and other assets, the time to make a move for someone is now (before the new rules kick in).
4) Going after KAT would explain why we added former Minny POBO Rokas to our front office.
5) KAT can play the 4 or the 5 and could be the iHart replacement if he goes elsewhere.


The truth is, Minny is a secondary market team that can't afford to keep their current squad together and needs to save money/avoid the tax. With that said, the KNICKS might be able to nab KAT without giving up the farm or even any picks. We could end up having assets remaining for some future deal.

Other names ahead of KAT would be on my off-season wishlist. However, I do see multiple reasons why pursuing him might make sense for Leon.

OG’s a star. He was looking like Kawhi before he got hurt.

Eh. He's a really good role player.

Like, Bobby Jones was a GREAT player on the 76ers teams, but wasn't really a star.
But any team would want that player.

[Richard4444]

I don't know why people think great young players such as Eason, Murphy, Deni, and Herb Jones are available and cheap. This kind of player is moved in exchange for stars.

We found ways to get Brunson, Hart, OG, iHart, and DDV without emptying the warchest. We can figure out ways to get more great young players to add to the mix. Not every great young’ish player is untouchable. Far from it.

Right and sometimes teams are in a position where they can hold on to all their young by talent. OKC with Giddy is one example....Obi with us is another.

Usually, teams trade young talent in the fourth year. And only when they are not so good. (Obi, Rui, PJ Washington).

I think Giddey can be a part of a bigger trade. He is worth more than a collection of seconds or a low FRP.

[Jeffrey]

I don't know why people think great young players such as Eason, Murphy, Deni, and Herb Jones are available and cheap. This kind of player is moved in exchange for stars.

this right here. Quality role players that has a cheap contract are difficult to get especially teams that have playoff aspirations.

[The Vo Show]

I don't know why people think great young players such as Eason, Murphy, Deni, and Herb Jones are available and cheap. This kind of player is moved in exchange for stars.

We found ways to get Brunson, Hart, OG, iHart, and DDV without emptying the warchest. We can figure out ways to get more great young players to add to the mix. Not every great young’ish player is untouchable. Far from it.

Right and sometimes teams are in a position where they can hold on to all their young by talent. OKC with Giddy is one example....Obi with us is another.

I don't think any of those 4 guys are in that position. Maybe you can get Deni since Washington is trying to rebuild. But Pelicans and Houston probably don't let those guys go.

I think the Pels should just trade BI for Trae Young. It'll bring a lot of roster balance to both teams.

[KnixinSix]

This front office isn’t dumb…. They’re not going after KAT

The KAT rumors might have legs because:

1) Leon promised Dolan he and WWW would get him a "star."
2) Unless someone surprisingly asks out, no other "star" may be available.
3) With our growth, picks, and other assets, the time to make a move for someone is now (before the new rules kick in).
4) Going after KAT would explain why we added former Minny POBO Rokas to our front office.
5) KAT can play the 4 or the 5 and could be the iHart replacement if he goes elsewhere.


The truth is, Minny is a secondary market team that can't afford to keep their current squad together and needs to save money/avoid the tax. With that said, the KNICKS might be able to nab KAT without giving up the farm or even any picks. We could end up having assets remaining for some future deal.

Other names ahead of KAT would be on my off-season wishlist. However, I do see multiple reasons why pursuing him might make sense for Leon.

OG’s a star. He was looking like Kawhi before he got hurt.

Kawhi is a terribly optimistic stretch for OG....he is not in the same stratosphere offensively. He won't develop into that either.

[KnixinSix]

The KAT rumors might have legs because:

1) Leon promised Dolan he and WWW would get him a "star."
2) Unless someone surprisingly asks out, no other "star" may be available.
3) With our growth, picks, and other assets, the time to make a move for someone is now (before the new rules kick in).
4) Going after KAT would explain why we added former Minny POBO Rokas to our front office.
5) KAT can play the 4 or the 5 and could be the iHart replacement if he goes elsewhere.


The truth is, Minny is a secondary market team that can't afford to keep their current squad together and needs to save money/avoid the tax. With that said, the KNICKS might be able to nab KAT without giving up the farm or even any picks. We could end up having assets remaining for some future deal.

Other names ahead of KAT would be on my off-season wishlist. However, I do see multiple reasons why pursuing him might make sense for Leon.

OG’s a star. He was looking like Kawhi before he got hurt.

Eh. He's a really good role player.

Like, Bobby Jones was a GREAT player on the 76ers teams, but wasn't really a star.
But any team would want that player.

More like a Draymond Green role vs an in the prime Kawhi.

[HopelessKnick]

I agree on OG's ceiling. He will be among the best defenders in the league for us for many years but on offense 18points per game is his ceiling. He does not have the smoothness, ballhandling and overall offensive talent to consistently score 20+ points, let alone reach Kawhi territory. Not gonna happen. And I am 100% fine with that. Happy we have him but gotta keep expectations realistic.

[Gert42]

I don't know why people think great young players such as Eason, Murphy, Deni, and Herb Jones are available and cheap. This kind of player is moved in exchange for stars.

We found ways to get Brunson, Hart, OG, iHart, and DDV without emptying the warchest. We can figure out ways to get more great young players to add to the mix. Not every great young’ish player is untouchable. Far from it.

The Pelicans and Rockets have tons of future FRP’s from other teams so I don’t think the Knicks have anything to offer them that they themselves would want to give away.

[Jeffrey]

I agree on OG's ceiling. He will be among the best defenders in the league for us for many years but on offense 18points per game is his ceiling. He does not have the smoothness, ballhandling and overall offensive talent to consistently score 20+ points, let alone reach Kawhi territory. Not gonna happen. And I am 100% fine with that. Happy we have him but gotta keep expectations realistic.

He's Jrue Holiday. Great defender, respected by the league, can score if needed, might be able to get 1 All-Star nod if he has an amazing first half.

35-40m per year sounds about right.