Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[Jailblazers7]

Maxey is very much a Tatum type player to me. So I'm 100% okay with taking the ball out of his hands. He's effective as a ballhandler in fast break scenarios but doesn't really have the creative handles to cook guys off the dribble on command. Also his shot is somewhat easy to block, so taking tough shots like Kyrie does is not something that comes particularly easily for Maxey. That said, he's excellent as a DHO/PnR ball handler with Embiid. I just think if there's 8 seconds left on the shot clock, I'd like someone who can get their own shot consistently as an option for once.

I thought he got noticeably better in isos & attacking mismatches when Embiid was out. I’d like to give him plenty of opportunities to grow into that player but totally fine if we don’t ask that of him full time.

[ProcessDoctor]

If we would have to trade assets for Butler or George, it’s easily Butler for me. At the end of the day it should come down to who you feel better about in the playoffs. Our regular season record would be worse but not by an egregious amount.

[SixthStreet]

If you sign and trade for George, that means you can give him the Clippers max contract? Lol. No thanks.

I'm fine with the switch team unrestricted FA max but not that.

[Covi_Marsh]

I think the Windy report is taken outta context. Sign & trade would only be necessary for a team that doesn’t have cap space to sign George, like NYK or Miami. Philly would have no need to do a sign & trade.

Also using KD as an example is horrible. KD was going to go to Brooklyn for free. Golden State sent KD and a 1st to get back DeAngell Russell. Why would Philly be the one giving up picks?

If George opts in like Harden it would have to be because he couldn’t find a team that would offer him max like Harden situation. Then he would opt in and request a trade out of spite. Philly is offering max tho. You don’t do favors for an organization that refuses to pay you.

[SixthStreet]

Do the Spurs really need Keldon Johnson anymore? Devin Vassell is clearly the wing the Spurs have prioritized. He's got 3 years at $18m, he's a positive value contract. Wonder what draft assets the Spurs would require for him.

[zaz102]

I think the Windy report is taken outta context. Sign & trade would only be necessary for a team that doesn’t have cap space to sign George, like NYK or Miami. Philly would have no need to do a sign & trade.

Also using KD as an example is horrible. KD was going to go to Brooklyn for free. Golden State sent KD and a 1st to get back DeAngell Russell. Why would Philly be the one giving up picks?

If George opts in like Harden it would have to be because he couldn’t find a team that would offer him max like Harden situation. Then he would opt in and request a trade out of spite. Philly is offering max tho. You don’t do favors for an organization that refuses to pay you.

First off, if that PG pushes for that, I'd tell him to kick rocks.

Secondly, I think there is a benefit for him to do it. The Clippers can pay him more money. He could leverage that by telling Morey, he'd go to Philly only if they give him the LA max. The Clippers would obviously benefit from it as well.

Again, I would have no interest in it, but technically could be reasons for all sides.

[Covi_Marsh]

I think the Windy report is taken outta context. Sign & trade would only be necessary for a team that doesn’t have cap space to sign George, like NYK or Miami. Philly would have no need to do a sign & trade.

Also using KD as an example is horrible. KD was going to go to Brooklyn for free. Golden State sent KD and a 1st to get back DeAngell Russell. Why would Philly be the one giving up picks?

If George opts in like Harden it would have to be because he couldn’t find a team that would offer him max like Harden situation. Then he would opt in and request a trade out of spite. Philly is offering max tho. You don’t do favors for an organization that refuses to pay you.

First off, if that PG pushes for that, I'd tell him to kick rocks.

Secondly, I think there is a benefit for him to do it. The Clippers can pay him more money. He could leverage that by telling Morey, he'd go to Philly only if they give him the LA max. The Clippers would obviously benefit from it as well.

Again, I would have no interest in it, but technically could be reasons for all sides.

The Clippers are over the 2nd apron. Are they even allowed to do sign and trades?

[zaz102]

I think the Windy report is taken outta context. Sign & trade would only be necessary for a team that doesn’t have cap space to sign George, like NYK or Miami. Philly would have no need to do a sign & trade.

Also using KD as an example is horrible. KD was going to go to Brooklyn for free. Golden State sent KD and a 1st to get back DeAngell Russell. Why would Philly be the one giving up picks?

If George opts in like Harden it would have to be because he couldn’t find a team that would offer him max like Harden situation. Then he would opt in and request a trade out of spite. Philly is offering max tho. You don’t do favors for an organization that refuses to pay you.

First off, if that PG pushes for that, I'd tell him to kick rocks.

Secondly, I think there is a benefit for him to do it. The Clippers can pay him more money. He could leverage that by telling Morey, he'd go to Philly only if they give him the LA max. The Clippers would obviously benefit from it as well.

Again, I would have no interest in it, but technically could be reasons for all sides.

The Clippers are over the 2nd apron. Are they even allowed to do sign and trades?

From an article I read (not 100% sure its accurate), they can, but they just can't take a player back in sign-and-trade.

[the_process]

If the Sixers accept a player in a S&T, they are hard capped at the 1st apron. Which they wouldn't be able to stay under after re-signing Maxey.

However, George could opt in and demand a trade to Philly, Morey sends the Clippers pick and swap back, and then next summer have full Bird rights on PG to give that 5 year abomination deal.

EDIT: Now that I think about it more, there is an advantage to that scenario if and only if they can stay over the cap. Meaning they would have to find a third party (and possibly fourth?) to take back Tobias and Melton in a S&T scenario (because the Clippers cannot).

[Negrodamus]

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[Mik317]

allegedly LeBron was seen with Josh Harris, Brand and maybe Nurse at a four seasons

[Stanford]

allegedly LeBron was seen with Josh Harris, Brand and maybe Nurse at a four seasons

You're going to have to do better than that

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Do the Spurs really need Keldon Johnson anymore? Devin Vassell is clearly the wing the Spurs have prioritized. He's got 3 years at $18m, he's a positive value contract. Wonder what draft assets the Spurs would require for him.

Been hoping for Keldon Johnson for a while now. I don't think he'd cost much.

[Stanford]

What is Keldon Johnson good at?

[Covi_Marsh]

If the Sixers accept a player in a S&T, they are hard capped at the 1st apron. Which they wouldn't be able to stay under after re-signing Maxey.

However, George could opt in and demand a trade to Philly, Morey sends the Clippers pick and swap back, and then next summer have full Bird rights on PG to give that 5 year abomination deal.

EDIT: Now that I think about it more, there is an advantage to that scenario if and only if they can stay over the cap. Meaning they would have to find a third party (and possibly fourth?) to take back Tobias and Melton in a S&T scenario (because the Clippers cannot).

After that Harden Morey is a fraud Tour, I don’t think anyone would come play for us with a wink wink deal for an extension

[M2J]

I wouldn't be surprised if George has made his mind up that he just can't win with kawhi.... And they're nickeling and diming him. He may already be a done deal.

Sighs

[ProcessDoctor]

If it’s Paul George, keep #16 and sign Melton + Anderson please.


Maxey/Lowry
Melton/Oubre
George/#16
Anderson/(vet min)
Embiid/(vet min)

[Arsenal]

I think the Windy report is taken outta context. Sign & trade would only be necessary for a team that doesn’t have cap space to sign George, like NYK or Miami. Philly would have no need to do a sign & trade.

Also using KD as an example is horrible. KD was going to go to Brooklyn for free. Golden State sent KD and a 1st to get back DeAngell Russell. Why would Philly be the one giving up picks?

If George opts in like Harden it would have to be because he couldn’t find a team that would offer him max like Harden situation. Then he would opt in and request a trade out of spite. Philly is offering max tho. You don’t do favors for an organization that refuses to pay you.

First off, if that PG pushes for that, I'd tell him to kick rocks.

Secondly, I think there is a benefit for him to do it. The Clippers can pay him more money. He could leverage that by telling Morey, he'd go to Philly only if they give him the LA max. The Clippers would obviously benefit from it as well.

Again, I would have no interest in it, but technically could be reasons for all sides.

What I bolded is incorrect. PG cannot get more money from us in a S&T than if we sign him with cap room.

The only possible reason to gift assets to LAC in a S&T is if we want to operate over the cap.

[Negrodamus]

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[zaz102]

I think the Windy report is taken outta context. Sign & trade would only be necessary for a team that doesn’t have cap space to sign George, like NYK or Miami. Philly would have no need to do a sign & trade.

Also using KD as an example is horrible. KD was going to go to Brooklyn for free. Golden State sent KD and a 1st to get back DeAngell Russell. Why would Philly be the one giving up picks?

If George opts in like Harden it would have to be because he couldn’t find a team that would offer him max like Harden situation. Then he would opt in and request a trade out of spite. Philly is offering max tho. You don’t do favors for an organization that refuses to pay you.

First off, if that PG pushes for that, I'd tell him to kick rocks.

Secondly, I think there is a benefit for him to do it. The Clippers can pay him more money. He could leverage that by telling Morey, he'd go to Philly only if they give him the LA max. The Clippers would obviously benefit from it as well.

Again, I would have no interest in it, but technically could be reasons for all sides.

What I bolded is incorrect. PG cannot get more money from us in a S&T than if we sign him with cap room.

The only possible reason to gift assets to LAC in a S&T is if we want to operate over the cap.

You might be right, but maybe you can help me understand what I'm missing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2024/05/06/paul-george-has-all-the-leverage-over-the-clippers-ahead-of-free-agency/

"George has been eligible to sign a four-year extension worth up to roughly $221.1 million with the Clippers all season, but he has yet to do so. "

"The Sixers can offer George a four-year max deal worth up to a projected $212.2 million, which is only $8.9 million shy of the most that the Clippers can offer. "

The above reads to me like the Clippers can offer him $8.9M more. I'm not sure if that includes his player option year.

Based on your comment, I'm assuming I'm misinterpreting this and will make some assumptions- If he is extends, it includes his PO year making it a 5-year deal and there's some rule out there you can't sign and trade after an extension. If this is true, then he would opt out and then he can only sign the same deal the Sixers can offer him.

Or am I totally off here?