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Post#321 » by FarBeyondDriven » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:57 pm

Castle is the perfect fit next to Poole. It just makes too much sense not to happen.
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Post#322 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:26 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:Castle is the perfect fit next to Poole. It just makes too much sense not to happen.


I don't Wizards are planning to build around Poole so that would be the flaw with that thought.
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Post#323 » by shi-woo » Sat Jun 15, 2024 5:12 am

He reminds me a lot of a young Derrick White, and think that's his ceiling. It took a while, but White eventually got there as a complete plaer. He worked on his PG skills and defense his first few years, moving without the ball when Murray came up, and then his shooting when he got to Boston.

I think Castle will need to go to a good team with a solid coach to maximize his talents in the same mold as White.

Some might not like that comp, but White has essentially been a 3rd option for a title hopeful team, and ha made back to back ANBA Def 2 teams.

You could do worse in this draft.

After watching Castle at UConn he stood out to me in that he was coach-able, and would fill in any role he was asked. I think if he goes to a team like the Spurs with Pop or HOU with Ime we will see the best of Stephon at the next level.

If he goes to a team like the Wizards we will be looking at a 2nd contract guy, and people will call him a bust.

Best case: Smaller Andre Iguadala
Middle: Less fluid Derrick White
Worst Case: Less crazy Marcus Smart
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Post#324 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:03 am

JMAC3 wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:Castle is the perfect fit next to Poole. It just makes too much sense not to happen.


I don't Wizards are planning to build around Poole so that would be the flaw with that thought.


are you sure? it was this regime that traded for him despite his massive contract and he had a pretty decent 2nd half after getting acclimated, putting up career best numbers, 21-3-6 shooting 36% from three. I know I personally wouldn't have traded for him nor would I build around him but it appears they might disagree. And if they are happy with him and he's in their long-term plans, Castle makes the most sense since he'll compliment Poole and Avdija and provide defense along with Coulibaly to give them a nice core of players and a well-constructed roster. Maybe they trade Kuzma to CLE for Allen or if not, they use the #25 pick on a center and then they'd really give fans a reason to be excited. But they might also just view him as a tank commander and he'll be a movable contract as he hits the middle of his prime when his contract runs out. In that case, hell, they should just take BPA if Poole isn't a consideration at all.
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Post#325 » by JMAC3 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:55 pm

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FarBeyondDriven wrote:Castle is the perfect fit next to Poole. It just makes too much sense not to happen.


I don't Wizards are planning to build around Poole so that would be the flaw with that thought.


are you sure? it was this regime that traded for him despite his massive contract and he had a pretty decent 2nd half after getting acclimated, putting up career best numbers, 21-3-6 shooting 36% from three. I know I personally wouldn't have traded for him nor would I build around him but it appears they might disagree. And if they are happy with him and he's in their long-term plans, Castle makes the most sense since he'll compliment Poole and Avdija and provide defense along with Coulibaly to give them a nice core of players and a well-constructed roster. Maybe they trade Kuzma to CLE for Allen or if not, they use the #25 pick on a center and then they'd really give fans a reason to be excited. But they might also just view him as a tank commander and he'll be a movable contract as he hits the middle of his prime when his contract runs out. In that case, hell, they should just take BPA if Poole isn't a consideration at all.


The rumors were they were willing to move him middle of last year. This offseason the rumors have been they are building around Deni, Bilal. Kuzma is available for multi firsts. Poole is the forgotten man and I think Wizards would move him in a complete salary dump if we are being honest.

Wizards need a real guy to build around Bilal and Deni are more complimentary guys. I would take Topic if I were them and just be bad again but they will probably take Clingan or Sarr.

Them trading Gafford for the 26th pick was just hilariously bad considering his contract.
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Post#326 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:07 pm

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I don't Wizards are planning to build around Poole so that would be the flaw with that thought.


are you sure? it was this regime that traded for him despite his massive contract and he had a pretty decent 2nd half after getting acclimated, putting up career best numbers, 21-3-6 shooting 36% from three. I know I personally wouldn't have traded for him nor would I build around him but it appears they might disagree. And if they are happy with him and he's in their long-term plans, Castle makes the most sense since he'll compliment Poole and Avdija and provide defense along with Coulibaly to give them a nice core of players and a well-constructed roster. Maybe they trade Kuzma to CLE for Allen or if not, they use the #25 pick on a center and then they'd really give fans a reason to be excited. But they might also just view him as a tank commander and he'll be a movable contract as he hits the middle of his prime when his contract runs out. In that case, hell, they should just take BPA if Poole isn't a consideration at all.


The rumors were they were willing to move him middle of last year. This offseason the rumors have been they are building around Deni, Bilal. Kuzma is available for multi firsts. Poole is the forgotten man and I think Wizards would move him in a complete salary dump if we are being honest.

Wizards need a real guy to build around Bilal and Deni are more complimentary guys. I would take Topic if I were them and just be bad again but they will probably take Clingan or Sarr.

Them trading Gafford for the 26th pick was just hilariously bad considering his contract.


yeah, I heard those rumors at the deadline but he really turned things around in the 2nd half and I heard they were pleased so I really have no idea what direction they'll go in. Building a team of #2, #3 and #4 (should they draft Castle) isn't the worst thing in the world for a small market. That's historically been the best these types of teams can expect. And sometimes that's good enough to make the Finals (IND) and actually win if everything falls just right like with the Pistons. If you keep taking risks for #1 and they bust you're losing out on potentially maximizing the #2 and #3 type guys you do have.

they'll draft a better player than Gafford at #26 imo. Move makes sense for a rebuilding team. And they still have Holmes expiring (assuming he opts in) to use as salary in a trade so it gives them option on top of that.
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Post#327 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:24 pm

Stephon Castle has an aversion to shooting the three, I would avoid him in the lottery.
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Post#328 » by bucknut » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:48 pm

With castle....do you believe he was suppressed role due to playing for a stud team and has a lot more upside

OR.....his value looks better playing with a great team as he is not a natural scorer and his strengths fit in better on a good supporting cast

I believe the latter.........and I think most Believe the former

He isn't a great shot creator....his best shot is floaters created by hurleys system. He isn't a great shooter. But he does play d and fill the dirty work on a championship team

At the next level I don't think he has enough to be more then a josh hart best case. He doesn't do anything great on o that's translateable besides be a system guy. Then look at Terrance Shannon ....that guy is ELITE at getting to the rim in transition.
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Post#329 » by SelfishPlayer » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:49 pm

Stephon Castle is a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?
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Post#330 » by JustBuzzin » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:39 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:Stephon Castle is a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?

Nah that's a lazy argument because of the shooting.

Castle brings more to the table with his ability to handle the ball and play 1-3. He also has a higher basketball IQ. MKG shot was broken. Castle doesn't have that hitch on his shot. He proved at the combine his shooting is not as bad as people think.

I think Castle has a Jimmy Butler ceiling if his shot continues to get better. His other skills are already above average.
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Post#331 » by Yuri Vaultin » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:55 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
FarBeyondDriven wrote:Castle is the perfect fit next to Poole. It just makes too much sense not to happen.


I don't Wizards are planning to build around Poole so that would be the flaw with that thought.

If the Wizards are looking to build around Poole, then their problems are worse than I first thought.
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Post#332 » by SelfishPlayer » Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:13 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Stephon Castle is a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?

Nah that's a lazy argument because of the shooting.

Castle brings more to the table with his ability to handle the ball and play 1-3. He also has a higher basketball IQ. MKG shot was broken. Castle doesn't have that hitch on his shot. He proved at the combine his shooting is not as bad as people think.

I think Castle has a Jimmy Butler ceiling if his shot continues to get better. His other skills are already above average.


I'm against taking the ball out of the hands of talented NBA scorers to put it in the hands of someone that is a non scoring threat. It comes across as "hiding" that non scoring threat. The dunker spot and the "pg" position are great places to hide big "point guards" like Ben Simmons that are non scoring threats. Puting them on ball simply takes away opportunities for better scores to attack the defense earlier in the shot clock. Castle is no point guard, he also isn't a scorer. Jimmy Butler was drafted 30th overall, he had to earn the right in the NBA to become an on ball player. Castle is attempting to dictate that. I wouldn't suggest a team trap themselves into a ball dominant non scoring threat high in the draft that is of average NBA size.
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Post#333 » by bucknut » Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:14 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Stephon Castle is a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?

Nah that's a lazy argument because of the shooting.

Castle brings more to the table with his ability to handle the ball and play 1-3. He also has a higher basketball IQ. MKG shot was broken. Castle doesn't have that hitch on his shot. He proved at the combine his shooting is not as bad as people think.

I think Castle has a Jimmy Butler ceiling if his shot continues to get better. His other skills are already above average.


At the time mkg had Scottie pippin comparisons. Was can't miss. Lot taller and longer. Mkg had a decent career though did not live up to expectations. For this draft many in top 10 will be lucky to have a mkg career.

Chance castle is a bust. I don't think he has a mkg career if I had to put a wager on it.
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Post#334 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 17, 2024 1:36 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:Stephon Castle is a smaller Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?

Nah that's a lazy argument because of the shooting.

Castle brings more to the table with his ability to handle the ball and play 1-3. He also has a higher basketball IQ. MKG shot was broken. Castle doesn't have that hitch on his shot. He proved at the combine his shooting is not as bad as people think.

I think Castle has a Jimmy Butler ceiling if his shot continues to get better. His other skills are already above average.


Every 6-6+ wing can be Jimmy Butler if they have the requisite athleticism, insane work ethic and drive lol.

The development of Jimmy and Kawhi post draft is rare. Comparing prospects to these two is basically saying the guy is years away. Castle shot 11 3s per game in HS at 30% and 26% in college but because he can make jumpers in an open gym, folks suddenly buy the shot.
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Post#335 » by KembaWalker » Mon Jun 17, 2024 1:40 am

Does he do anything better than Cody Martin? That’s basically what I see his role as if he lands here at 6

Which wouldn’t be bad, having a healthy Cody Martin would be nice
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Post#336 » by JustBuzzin » Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:10 am

KembaWalker wrote:Does he do anything better than Cody Martin? That’s basically what I see his role as if he lands here at 6

Which wouldn’t be bad, having a healthy Cody Martin would be nice

His role will be bigger due to LaMelo injury history. It wouldn't shock me if he just plays pg once Melo goes down. With the ball in his hands I can see him being much better than Cody.

Cody was playing pg last season and he still looked like the same player even off the ball. That's a low ceiling for Castle probably worst-case scenario.
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Post#337 » by 76ciology » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:19 am

Who’s the last guard who’s not a scorer and can’t shoot 3s that has become an allstar in the NBA?
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Post#338 » by RyugaFan » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:31 am

I think they're assuming Castle will score somehow
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Post#339 » by Chuck Everett » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:27 am

Chuck Everett wrote:Pick him San Antonio. You need a physical defender on the wing aside from Sochan.


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Post#340 » by FarBeyondDriven » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:25 am

Spurs love their bigger guards.

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