Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[Ron Swanson]

Sub Middleton's name in with Kristaps Porzingis and ask yourselves if Boston fans would be showing this kind of zeal in flipping him based on the same exact rationale ("he's on a minutes restriction and it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt again").

Boston has four all-stars at their other positions. The best two of which are young. C's can afford a luxury player like Zinger, even with his injuries. They aren't in a one-year window mode with a superstar (Giannis) like we are.

And if they had faced any sort of non-lottery team competition in the East this year and had lost because they were so thin up front, everyone would be singing an entirely different tune.

In the ongoing debate, I'm still in the retool mode, assuming at this point Giannis would be willing to accept it. I understand though the belief that holding pat with our big 3 and hoping for the best might be the preferred route. It all comes to down to what other teams would offer for Middleton.

He won't, and that's pretty much the end of this discussion. But even putting that aside, this isn't the NFL. Lot of posters on here love to throw around the "re-tool" word because it's less scary than "rebuild", but it's not a reality that you're just gonna trade all your old, good players for younger guys, take a step back for a year, then magically reappear as a top contender in 2025. That's just not how the NBA works.

[JonHeist]

once again

nobody is offering **** for Middleton

there isn't even one semi-reasonable trade proposal around him out there

and no we aren't trading him for harrison barnes or jeremi grant

[Daver]

Sub Middleton's name in with Kristaps Porzingis and ask yourselves if Boston fans would be showing this kind of zeal in flipping him based on the same exact rationale ("he's on a minutes restriction and it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt again").

Boston has four all-stars at their other positions. The best two of which are young. C's can afford a luxury player like Zinger, even with his injuries. They aren't in a one-year window mode with a superstar (Giannis) like we are.

And if they had faced any sort of non-lottery team competition in the East this year and had lost because they were so thin up front, everyone would be singing an entirely different tune.

In the ongoing debate, I'm still in the retool mode, assuming at this point Giannis would be willing to accept it. I understand though the belief that holding pat with our big 3 and hoping for the best might be the preferred route. It all comes to down to what other teams would offer for Middleton.

He won't, and that's pretty much the end of this discussion. But even putting that aside, this isn't the NFL. Lot of posters on here love to throw around the "re-tool" word because it's less scary than "rebuild", but it's not a reality that you're just gonna trade all your old, good players for younger guys, take a step back for a year, then magically reappear as a top contender in 2025. That's just not how the NBA works.

And if they had faced any sort of non-lottery team competition in the East this year and had lost because they were so thin up front, everyone would be singing an entirely different tune

This absolutely agree on.They basically had the easist path to a finals appereance of sny eastern conference team in a long long time.I mean injured hest team very injured cavs team( which by how close some of those scores were) might of easily had a different outcome then the pacers.This team is not unbeatable.Thry rode the wave of playing against injured teams to the finals

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

ok...ive been sold.

we need to trade khris for bobby simmons and jamal magliore.
then brook for monta because we need a another shot creator

lillard
monta
bobby
giannis
magliore

star power! ......am i doing it right?

[fansinceforever]

This whole off-season everyone on this board has been trying to figure out ways to move him. The only debate is what's his value to other teams, not whether or not he should be traded.

I don’t think it’s fair to lump in everyone who doesn’t post daily on the topic. Just so you know, volume posting does not equal majority opinion.

I got it. I don't think every post I make has to come with several caveats. A lot of what's posted here is hyperbole.

[buckboy]

Damn, didn't realise Klay is 34. I'm not sure what sort of deal he's expecting but he seems like a dude that isn't ready to accept reality that he has hit the role player age of his career.

Guess who’s only five months younger.

Your grandkid?

[fansinceforever]

once again

nobody is offering **** for Middleton

there isn't even one semi-reasonable trade proposal around him out there

and no we aren't trading him for harrison barnes or jeremi grant

Why?

[raferfenix]

The Bulls took calls on Caruso, but never made them. According to a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bulls have received offers from multiple teams, consisting of multiple protected first-round picks ahead of the 2024 Trade Deadline. One of those deals included a pick that ended up in the top-10 of the 2024 Draft, the source said. The Golden State Warriors were among teams who made a strong offer for Caruso, multiple sources confirmed.

Ultimately, they declined.

Internally, the Bulls party line was that they would have to start searching for a Caruso replacement from the moment they traded him. That may have been fine in a rebuild, which lead executive Arturas Karnisovas admitted ownership supported.

However, the source indicated that there was a mandate from the Reinsdorfs to fight for the Playoffs. That, no doubt, impacted the front office’s decision making when it came to pulling the trigger on any Caruso deal.

The best solution is to move Caruso now, even if he cannot generate the same return as he would have at the previous trade deadline. Caruso’s impact on a bargain deal made him a compelling trade target. But the reason he generated such strong offers was because he had two playoff runs left on his current deal. Now, that number is cut in half. Will similar offers be available in the final season of his contract or on an extension? Or have they missed their opportunity to sell Caruso at his highest point?

Still, he holds considerable value. His bird rights alone should be particularly attractive to over-the-cap contenders. Trading him now, as opposed to waiting until the 2025 Trade Deadline, would avoid the risk of any potential injury or declines in performance while securing assets for potential rebuild or retool.

The Bulls have let nearly all of their assets turn into liabilities. They can’t let the same happen with Caruso.

https://allchgo.com/alex-carusos-future-with-the-chicago-bulls/

[fansinceforever]

NBA Champion 2021 Portis > whatever peak Smart was.

2022 Portis was goated till Bud benched him for the Disney tapping chest giant

Bobby was great and he is a champion but let's not forget he was benched in an earlier series bc he was absolutely killing us.

This whole off-season everyone on this board has been trying to figure out ways to move him. The only debate is what's his value to other teams, not whether or not he should be traded.

People are thinking of trying to trade Bobby because he comprises one of the very few tradeable assets we have outside of Giannis/Dame/Khris. It's not out of a desperate desire to trade him.

My point isn't that the board is desperately trying to trade him. It's that he's seen by very few as a necessary piece to a team with, I presume, championship aspirations. So, why would we expect to trade for a legit starter by moving him?

Especially one who doesn't have inadequacies defensively that often are highlighted in the playoffs.

[Bernman]

The Bulls took calls on Caruso, but never made them. According to a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bulls have received offers from multiple teams, consisting of multiple protected first-round picks ahead of the 2024 Trade Deadline. One of those deals included a pick that ended up in the top-10 of the 2024 Draft, the source said. The Golden State Warriors were among teams who made a strong offer for Caruso, multiple sources confirmed.

Ultimately, they declined.

Internally, the Bulls party line was that they would have to start searching for a Caruso replacement from the moment they traded him. That may have been fine in a rebuild, which lead executive Arturas Karnisovas admitted ownership supported.

However, the source indicated that there was a mandate from the Reinsdorfs to fight for the Playoffs. That, no doubt, impacted the front office’s decision making when it came to pulling the trigger on any Caruso deal.

The best solution is to move Caruso now, even if he cannot generate the same return as he would have at the previous trade deadline. Caruso’s impact on a bargain deal made him a compelling trade target. But the reason he generated such strong offers was because he had two playoff runs left on his current deal. Now, that number is cut in half. Will similar offers be available in the final season of his contract or on an extension? Or have they missed their opportunity to sell Caruso at his highest point?

Still, he holds considerable value. His bird rights alone should be particularly attractive to over-the-cap contenders. Trading him now, as opposed to waiting until the 2025 Trade Deadline, would avoid the risk of any potential injury or declines in performance while securing assets for potential rebuild or retool.

The Bulls have let nearly all of their assets turn into liabilities. They can’t let the same happen with Caruso.

https://allchgo.com/alex-carusos-future-with-the-chicago-bulls/

That explains why they're like the Bucks under Kohl. They have the same front office dynamic, demanding they fight to make the playoffs, w/ a roster that's not young nor near contenders. Their leadership says they'd need to replace Caruso immediately. Why?

For our purposes now, it tells us they're not reasonable trade partners. Better look in other directions.

[Licensed to Il]

The Bulls took calls on Caruso, but never made them. According to a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bulls have received offers from multiple teams, consisting of multiple protected first-round picks ahead of the 2024 Trade Deadline. One of those deals included a pick that ended up in the top-10 of the 2024 Draft, the source said. The Golden State Warriors were among teams who made a strong offer for Caruso, multiple sources confirmed.

Ultimately, they declined.

Internally, the Bulls party line was that they would have to start searching for a Caruso replacement from the moment they traded him. That may have been fine in a rebuild, which lead executive Arturas Karnisovas admitted ownership supported.

However, the source indicated that there was a mandate from the Reinsdorfs to fight for the Playoffs. That, no doubt, impacted the front office’s decision making when it came to pulling the trigger on any Caruso deal.

The best solution is to move Caruso now, even if he cannot generate the same return as he would have at the previous trade deadline. Caruso’s impact on a bargain deal made him a compelling trade target. But the reason he generated such strong offers was because he had two playoff runs left on his current deal. Now, that number is cut in half. Will similar offers be available in the final season of his contract or on an extension? Or have they missed their opportunity to sell Caruso at his highest point?

Still, he holds considerable value. His bird rights alone should be particularly attractive to over-the-cap contenders. Trading him now, as opposed to waiting until the 2025 Trade Deadline, would avoid the risk of any potential injury or declines in performance while securing assets for potential rebuild or retool.

The Bulls have let nearly all of their assets turn into liabilities. They can’t let the same happen with Caruso.

https://allchgo.com/alex-carusos-future-with-the-chicago-bulls/

That explains why they're like the Bucks under Kohl. They have the same front office dynamic, demanding they fight to make the playoffs, w/ a roster that's not young nor near contenders. Their leadership says they'd need to replace Caruso immediately. Why?

For our purposes now, it tells us they're not reasonable trade partners. Better look in other directions.

Im certainly not defending the Bulls, but not dealing a starter for a protected pick in a bad draft with all the speculation of not knowing where it would fall is not a reason to crap on a front office. They could still trade Caruso for a better pick in the days ahead. The Bulls probably will blow this, but they haven’t as of right now.

[Bernman]

Im certainly not defending the Bulls, but not dealing a starter for a protected pick in a bad draft with all the speculation of not knowing where it would fall is not a reason to crap on a front office. They could still trade Caruso for a better pick in the days ahead. The Bulls probably will blow this, but they haven’t as of right now.

I'm just going by what was relayed in the article, which was they had to replace Caruso in the role immediately as if they're some kind of contender, and that they had a mandate to at least be the 10th best of 15 teams in the weaker conference (lol).

Incidentally, it's ironic the Reinsdorfs are like this now, because I recall them actually selling when they were the 6th seed, because they didn't think they were contenders that season. Talk about a 180.

[SupremeHustle]

A lot of the trades you guys post kind wastes another season for Giannis but I have one that guarantees he'd get a ring next year.





Please don't ban me.

[Frank Nova]

A lot of the trades you guys post kind wastes another season for Giannis but I have one that guarantees he'd get a ring next year.





Please don't ban me.

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[MickeyDavis]

A lot of the trades you guys post kind wastes another season for Giannis but I have one that guarantees he'd get a ring next year.





Please don't ban me.

[ShootingtheJ]

Agreed. You can load manage perfectly during the season and still have someone get hurt in April. But you have to play the odds and lessen the workload of Giannis, Khris and Dame. Ramp up bench minutes even at the cost of some wins.

This is where we miss Bud and his system. It produced more wins than the talent probably indicated.

That said, as we come up on the three year anniversary of the title, our roster is not a pretty sight compared to then. Three years is a long time in the NBA.

Giannis - Three years older and injuries stacking up. And he's now got the big family (good for him, but anyone with three kids will tell you that you lose your edge for awhile when they're young)

Middleton - Ditto as Giannis.
Dame - Jrue - Dame is better, but he forces us into needing better defenders
Brook - Love the guy, but he's clearly lost a major step.

Pat - He was always a system player, but he can't produce in the system anymore
Bobby - Bobby is actually better than 2021 I think.

PJ - Dumbest mistake this ownership group has made. Giving him a 2/$20 deal was all we needed. Haven't replaced him with Crowder or anyone else.
Donte - Injured at the end of 2021, but we'd love him now
Bryn Forbes - Beasley - sort of a wash here
Jeff Teague - Green and Ajax sort of a wash

Getting regular season wins likely involves our big three playing some decent minutes.

Giannis just finished scoring 30 ppg while shooting 60% from the floor. He's still improving. Past the big 3, Brook, and Bobby, the rest of that team was a disaster.

Pat the one guy that's went backwards.

That team didn't have a single athlete like AJJ.

It's time to cash in Bobby to get a 5th starter, but disturbing the core is so unnecessary.

As for Bud, who cares about regular season record or seeding. Get ready for the playoffs.

[James1980]

-6 wins haha

[Matches Malone]

A lot of the trades you guys post kind wastes another season for Giannis but I have one that guarantees he'd get a ring next year.





Please don't ban me.

[SupremeHustle]

A lot of the trades you guys post kind wastes another season for Giannis but I have one that guarantees he'd get a ring next year.





Please don't ban me.

My past coming back to haunt me.

[German Athens]

So, is Julius Randle going to be the depressed value all-star talent this off-season?

This isn’t the direction I’d go, but brook and Bobby for Randle?