The Official 2024 Offseason Thread

[Ghost of Kleine]

Sorry for my confusion man! What's "gross" about this premise that I'm missing here?

Not torwards you of course. I don't like the thought of moving up in this draft. I don't think we have any assets (outside of the 2031 1st) to make it happen and that's worth far far more than moving up 10-12 spots in a weak draft.

I fully understand your perspective man! I mean this draft is pretty shallow and widely perceived as very weak too, which is pretty hard to argue against. And our situation sucks all the more due to how our overly impetuous front office contingent carelessly gave away critical assets in trades rather than negotiating more aggressively. For my part though, it really depends upon how the pick is utilized. I fully believe that our front office will absolutely trade the pick regardless. So if they aren't planning on using it to reacquire a 2025 draft pick in a very loaded draft next summer, then I'd be creatively open to them using it in this draft for the purpose of strengthening our rotation and bench support around our core 5-6.

I can comfortably say this only because I understand that our competitive window and corresponding plans will ultimately be determined this very upcoming season, and IF I'm being brutally honest, even though we'll be more competitive at times creating the illusion of being a quasi contending team, our postseason hopes will again fall short due to our once again not addressing/upgrading key positional weaknesses. I not only want us to keep our 22nd pick, But my motivation for being open to us moving up in the draft is not to trade out of it for a vet using a higher pick we acquired in a trade, but to use that higher pick to trade back for multiple assets to address as many positionally weak areas as possible to give us a stronger foundation as well as cost controlled developmental assets to replenish our depleted cache of tradable assets for the coming years. Because even though this draft is devoid of high-level, impact talent with star potential, it's flush with rotation level and solid contributory bench options with utility and connective skillsets that we've overlooked/ignored for the past half-decade or so in the interest of pursuing vt min cast off options that never panned out and have no trade value.

I also see our front office likely moving KD for assets and pieces at some point this coming season man, once our struggles resurface and the reality of our competitive ceiling (as constructed) sinks in for us. OR even if KD becomes frustrated and asks out! At that point very soon, we'll be pivoting to trying to do a quick reload around Beal and Booker as our remaining pieces. And I believe our front office will strongly target picks in that 25 draft because it's loaded with star-level and/or high-impact talent that could play alongside of Booker and help sustain our competitive years of his prime longer.

So basically these weaker drafts should be to load up on supplemental/complimentary talent to support our stars/ starters. And then we replace our star talent/high-level impact talent that we lose with drafts like the 25' draft from coming trades using KD and other acquired assets we develop and flip.

[King4Day]

Not torwards you of course. I don't like the thought of moving up in this draft. I don't think we have any assets (outside of the 2031 1st) to make it happen and that's worth far far more than moving up 10-12 spots in a weak draft.

I fully understand your perspective man! I mean this draft is pretty shallow and widely perceived as very weak too, which is pretty hard to argue against. And our situation sucks all the more due to how our overly impetuous front office contingent carelessly gave away critical assets in trades rather than negotiating more aggressively. For my part though, it really depends upon how the pick is utilized. I fully believe that our front office will absolutely trade the pick regardless. So if they aren't planning on using it to reacquire a 2025 draft pick in a very loaded draft next summer, then I'd be creatively open to them using it in this draft for the purpose of strengthening our rotation and bench support around our core 5-6.

I can comfortably say this only because I understand that our competitive window and corresponding plans will ultimately be determined this very upcoming season, and IF I'm being brutally honest, even though we'll be more competitive at times creating the illusion of being a quasi contending team, our postseason hopes will again fall short due to our once again not addressing/upgrading key positional weaknesses. I not only want us to keep our 22nd pick, But my motivation for being open to us moving up in the draft is not to trade out of it for a vet using a higher pick we acquired in a trade, but to use that higher pick to trade back for multiple assets to address as many positionally weak areas as possible to give us a stronger foundation as well as cost controlled developmental assets to replenish our depleted cache of tradable assets for the coming years. Because even though this draft is devoid of high-level, impact talent with star potential, it's flush with rotation level and solid contributory bench options with utility and connective skillsets that we've overlooked/ignored for the past half-decade or so in the interest of pursuing vt min cast off options that never panned out and have no trade value.

I also see our front office likely moving KD for assets and pieces at some point this coming season man, once our struggles resurface and the reality of our competitive ceiling (as constructed) sinks in for us. OR even if KD becomes frustrated and asks out! At that point very soon, we'll be pivoting to trying to do a quick reload around Beal and Booker as our remaining pieces. And I believe our front office will strongly target picks in that 25 draft because it's loaded with star-level and/or high-impact talent that could play alongside of Booker and help sustain our competitive years of his prime longer.

So basically these weaker drafts should be to load up on supplemental/complimentary talent to support our stars/ starters. And then we replace our star talent/high-level impact talent that we lose with drafts like the 25' draft from coming trades using KD and other acquired assets we develop and flip.

A few things.

1. I know how to spell towards. Typo. You didn't mention it, but I hate when I don't re-read what I write.
2. I am OK with trading back a few spots if it lands us a 2nd or 2 as well as the first. In this draft, or another.
3. I'm also OK with trading our 2031 pick, unprotected, if it means receiving 3 (no less) future firsts (protected or not).
4. I'm OK with giving Bud a chance with the team this season. I do agree with your point. If we still haven't figured it out by mid-season, it'll never happen. A season and a half is plenty of time for chemistry and lineup configuration. Even with a new coach.
5. The minute our draft and free agency has completed, this team better get together in the summer to work on chemistry.

[McGale JaVee]

What are his playoff numbers?

We don't need 15 SG on this roster. Get over your Beal crush.

The option wasn’t Beal or some awesome wing/big.
We turned a negative contract (CP3) who was becoming unplayable into a UNTRADEABLE OVERPAID ROLEPLAYER.

FTFY

^ this guy gets it. Brad Beal unfortunately was never worth that contract. Mr. 50 games per season and perennial 1st/2nd round exit. Have fun with that.

[bwgood77]

The option wasn’t Beal or some awesome wing/big.
We turned a negative contract (CP3) who was becoming unplayable into a UNTRADEABLE OVERPAID ROLEPLAYER.

FTFY

^ this guy gets it. Brad Beal unfortunately was never worth that contract. Mr. 50 games per season and perennial 1st/2nd round exit. Have fun with that.

Sure, no one is arguing he is near worth his contract, but our cap situation is different and we could have had Paul/Shamet expire and still not had any cap space to do anything, and they were not tradeable in the sense we could get useful players back for a washed Paul making $30 million and an overpaid Shamet.

Booker was the same when he played with no talent, except we were not a 1st/2nd round exit, but one of the worst teams. When Beal played with a decent PG in Wall and a decent guy like Otto Porter, they got to the 2nd round losing to the 60 win Hawks and the 56 win Pacers, both teams that lost to LeBron/Kyrie or LeBron/Wade/Bosh.

We turned terrible contracts into a very good player, despite his contract, which is somewhat irrelevant given we already have two other maxes and are over the cap. We (as fans) are not paying for the tax. He averaged 18/5, shooting over 43% from 3 with over a 60% TS%, which are among his best #s ever. On a team like Washington, or a rebuilding team, that otherwise would have cap space, he's a terrible contract to have, but on a team like ours, over the cap regardless, he's definitely worth what we traded for him given lack of other options.

[TeamTragic]

FTFY

^ this guy gets it. Brad Beal unfortunately was never worth that contract. Mr. 50 games per season and perennial 1st/2nd round exit. Have fun with that.

Sure, no one is arguing he is near worth his contract, but our cap situation is different and we could have had Paul/Shamet expire and still not had any cap space to do anything, and they were not tradeable in the sense we could get useful players back for a washed Paul making $30 million and an overpaid Shamet.

Booker was the same when he played with no talent, except we were not a 1st/2nd round exit, but one of the worst teams. When Beal played with a decent PG in Wall and a decent guy like Otto Porter, they got to the 2nd round losing to the 60 win Hawks and the 56 win Pacers, both teams that lost to LeBron/Kyrie or LeBron/Wade/Bosh.

We turned terrible contracts into a very good player, despite his contract, which is somewhat irrelevant given we already have two other maxes and are over the cap. We (as fans) are not paying for the tax. He averaged 18/5, shooting over 43% from 3 with over a 60% TS%, which are among his best #s ever. On a team like Washington, or a rebuilding team, that otherwise would have cap space, he's a terrible contract to have, but on a team like ours, over the cap regardless, he's definitely worth what we traded for him given lack of other options.

Can we please sticky this post?

[Crives]

FTFY

^ this guy gets it. Brad Beal unfortunately was never worth that contract. Mr. 50 games per season and perennial 1st/2nd round exit. Have fun with that.

Sure, no one is arguing he is near worth his contract, but our cap situation is different and we could have had Paul/Shamet expire and still not had any cap space to do anything, and they were not tradeable in the sense we could get useful players back for a washed Paul making $30 million and an overpaid Shamet.

Booker was the same when he played with no talent, except we were not a 1st/2nd round exit, but one of the worst teams. When Beal played with a decent PG in Wall and a decent guy like Otto Porter, they got to the 2nd round losing to the 60 win Hawks and the 56 win Pacers, both teams that lost to LeBron/Kyrie or LeBron/Wade/Bosh.

We turned terrible contracts into a very good player, despite his contract, which is somewhat irrelevant given we already have two other maxes and are over the cap. We (as fans) are not paying for the tax. He averaged 18/5, shooting over 43% from 3 with over a 60% TS%, which are among his best #s ever. On a team like Washington, or a rebuilding team, that otherwise would have cap space, he's a terrible contract to have, but on a team like ours, over the cap regardless, he's definitely worth what we traded for him given lack of other options.

Only thing to add.. we don’t get Bradley Beal if he’s not “overpaid” and on a NTC…. I try to think of the extra 10-15m we are paying Brad Beal as the cost to acquire.. instead of trading more draft assets that we didn’t have, we took on a higher salary.

[bwgood77]

^ this guy gets it. Brad Beal unfortunately was never worth that contract. Mr. 50 games per season and perennial 1st/2nd round exit. Have fun with that.

Sure, no one is arguing he is near worth his contract, but our cap situation is different and we could have had Paul/Shamet expire and still not had any cap space to do anything, and they were not tradeable in the sense we could get useful players back for a washed Paul making $30 million and an overpaid Shamet.

Booker was the same when he played with no talent, except we were not a 1st/2nd round exit, but one of the worst teams. When Beal played with a decent PG in Wall and a decent guy like Otto Porter, they got to the 2nd round losing to the 60 win Hawks and the 56 win Pacers, both teams that lost to LeBron/Kyrie or LeBron/Wade/Bosh.

We turned terrible contracts into a very good player, despite his contract, which is somewhat irrelevant given we already have two other maxes and are over the cap. We (as fans) are not paying for the tax. He averaged 18/5, shooting over 43% from 3 with over a 60% TS%, which are among his best #s ever. On a team like Washington, or a rebuilding team, that otherwise would have cap space, he's a terrible contract to have, but on a team like ours, over the cap regardless, he's definitely worth what we traded for him given lack of other options.

Can we please sticky this post?

Just realized (or rather a different Suns mod did) that was a duplicate account where he was agreeing with himself...same IP.

[bwgood77]

^ this guy gets it. Brad Beal unfortunately was never worth that contract. Mr. 50 games per season and perennial 1st/2nd round exit. Have fun with that.

Sure, no one is arguing he is near worth his contract, but our cap situation is different and we could have had Paul/Shamet expire and still not had any cap space to do anything, and they were not tradeable in the sense we could get useful players back for a washed Paul making $30 million and an overpaid Shamet.

Booker was the same when he played with no talent, except we were not a 1st/2nd round exit, but one of the worst teams. When Beal played with a decent PG in Wall and a decent guy like Otto Porter, they got to the 2nd round losing to the 60 win Hawks and the 56 win Pacers, both teams that lost to LeBron/Kyrie or LeBron/Wade/Bosh.

We turned terrible contracts into a very good player, despite his contract, which is somewhat irrelevant given we already have two other maxes and are over the cap. We (as fans) are not paying for the tax. He averaged 18/5, shooting over 43% from 3 with over a 60% TS%, which are among his best #s ever. On a team like Washington, or a rebuilding team, that otherwise would have cap space, he's a terrible contract to have, but on a team like ours, over the cap regardless, he's definitely worth what we traded for him given lack of other options.

Only thing to add.. we don’t get Bradley Beal if he’s not “overpaid” and on a NTC…. I try to think of the extra 10-15m we are paying Brad Beal as the cost to acquire.. instead of trading more draft assets that we didn’t have, we took on a higher salary.

Yeah...in addition to that, Book and KD recruited him...not that something like that should definitely matter, but it does.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Not torwards you of course. I don't like the thought of moving up in this draft. I don't think we have any assets (outside of the 2031 1st) to make it happen and that's worth far far more than moving up 10-12 spots in a weak draft.

I fully understand your perspective man! I mean this draft is pretty shallow and widely perceived as very weak too, which is pretty hard to argue against. And our situation sucks all the more due to how our overly impetuous front office contingent carelessly gave away critical assets in trades rather than negotiating more aggressively. For my part though, it really depends upon how the pick is utilized. I fully believe that our front office will absolutely trade the pick regardless. So if they aren't planning on using it to reacquire a 2025 draft pick in a very loaded draft next summer, then I'd be creatively open to them using it in this draft for the purpose of strengthening our rotation and bench support around our core 5-6.

I can comfortably say this only because I understand that our competitive window and corresponding plans will ultimately be determined this very upcoming season, and IF I'm being brutally honest, even though we'll be more competitive at times creating the illusion of being a quasi contending team, our postseason hopes will again fall short due to our once again not addressing/upgrading key positional weaknesses. I not only want us to keep our 22nd pick, But my motivation for being open to us moving up in the draft is not to trade out of it for a vet using a higher pick we acquired in a trade, but to use that higher pick to trade back for multiple assets to address as many positionally weak areas as possible to give us a stronger foundation as well as cost controlled developmental assets to replenish our depleted cache of tradable assets for the coming years. Because even though this draft is devoid of high-level, impact talent with star potential, it's flush with rotation level and solid contributory bench options with utility and connective skillsets that we've overlooked/ignored for the past half-decade or so in the interest of pursuing vt min cast off options that never panned out and have no trade value.

I also see our front office likely moving KD for assets and pieces at some point this coming season man, once our struggles resurface and the reality of our competitive ceiling (as constructed) sinks in for us. OR even if KD becomes frustrated and asks out! At that point very soon, we'll be pivoting to trying to do a quick reload around Beal and Booker as our remaining pieces. And I believe our front office will strongly target picks in that 25 draft because it's loaded with star-level and/or high-impact talent that could play alongside of Booker and help sustain our competitive years of his prime longer.

So basically these weaker drafts should be to load up on supplemental/complimentary talent to support our stars/ starters. And then we replace our star talent/high-level impact talent that we lose with drafts like the 25' draft from coming trades using KD and other acquired assets we develop and flip.

A few things.

1. I know how to spell towards. Typo. You didn't mention it, but I hate when I don't re-read what I write.
2. I am OK with trading back a few spots if it lands us a 2nd or 2 as well as the first. In this draft, or another.
3. I'm also OK with trading our 2031 pick, unprotected, if it means receiving 3 (no less) future firsts (protected or not).
4. I'm OK with giving Bud a chance with the team this season. I do agree with your point. If we still haven't figured it out by mid-season, it'll never happen. A season and a half is plenty of time for chemistry and lineup configuration. Even with a new coach.
5. The minute our draft and free agency has completed, this team better get together in the summer to work on chemistry.

Excellent points man! You're perspective is spot on too.

[Revived]

Read on Twitter

Lowry would fit right in with the Suns from an age perspective.

I really would like to see the Suns trade Booker for someone like Horford or LeBron or something and really commit to it.

[Qwigglez]

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Lowry would fit right in with the Suns from an age perspective.

I really would like to see the Suns trade Booker for someone like Horford or LeBron or something and really commit to it.

If you put the clues together, you'd understand that Charles Barkley is going to be joining the team too. He said next season is his last season broadcasting. Obviously, he is going to get back into basketball shape and win the Suns a ship in 2025-26 season. You heard it here first folks!

I think Lowry stays in the East though.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Watch on YouTube

Batum I like, even Covington too! Prince I think the Lakers will definitely bring back.

[mkot]

Read on Twitter

Lowry would fit right in with the Suns from an age perspective.

I really would like to see the Suns trade Booker for someone like Horford or LeBron or something and really commit to it.

I think he goes back to the Raptors and retires

[bwgood77]

Kyle Lowry *sweepstakes* lol

I think it would be a good signing for the minimum from the championship, leadership, "check ego at door" perspective.

He could be a voice...of someone who HAS won it all, been coached by Spo, etc.

He also played better than I initially thought looking at his numbers/percentages. He's may be as nearly washed as Paul, but he is still shooting nearly 40% from 3. Might also be good if we draft someone like Kolek...or any PG.

[TeamTragic]

Sure, no one is arguing he is near worth his contract, but our cap situation is different and we could have had Paul/Shamet expire and still not had any cap space to do anything, and they were not tradeable in the sense we could get useful players back for a washed Paul making $30 million and an overpaid Shamet.

Booker was the same when he played with no talent, except we were not a 1st/2nd round exit, but one of the worst teams. When Beal played with a decent PG in Wall and a decent guy like Otto Porter, they got to the 2nd round losing to the 60 win Hawks and the 56 win Pacers, both teams that lost to LeBron/Kyrie or LeBron/Wade/Bosh.

We turned terrible contracts into a very good player, despite his contract, which is somewhat irrelevant given we already have two other maxes and are over the cap. We (as fans) are not paying for the tax. He averaged 18/5, shooting over 43% from 3 with over a 60% TS%, which are among his best #s ever. On a team like Washington, or a rebuilding team, that otherwise would have cap space, he's a terrible contract to have, but on a team like ours, over the cap regardless, he's definitely worth what we traded for him given lack of other options.

Can we please sticky this post?

Just realized (or rather a different Suns mod did) that was a duplicate account where he was agreeing with himself...same IP.

Stix agreeing with his own post?

[bwgood77]

Can we please sticky this post?

Just realized (or rather a different Suns mod did) that was a duplicate account where he was agreeing with himself...same IP.

Stix agreeing with his own post?

Yeah, quoted himself and then wrote:

^ this guy gets it.

[TeamTragic]

Just realized (or rather a different Suns mod did) that was a duplicate account where he was agreeing with himself...same IP.

Stix agreeing with his own post?

Yeah, quoted himself and then wrote:

^ this guy gets it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

That's encouraging!

[mkot]

Read on Twitter

That's encouraging!

Didn't we have like the best odds at coming out of the West the last offseason?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

That's encouraging!

Didn't we have like the best odds at coming out of the West the last offseason?

I think it was like 3rd best odds, but honestly can't remember. But this does put our consensus competitive ceiling into perspective more barring an anomalously successful offseason.