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shackles10 wrote:redslastlaugh wrote:Justin Edwards has big James Young energy. I hope a team above us takes him to push a better prospect down.zoyathedestroya wrote:One of these guys a future Celtics legend?
James Young was actually a good college player though lol.
Hal14 wrote:There was a mock I saw the other day that had us taking Filipowski at 30. As you can see, I'm pretty high on him. And I do think he'd be a good fit here. I don't want to get my hopes up, because he's probably not gonna fall that far and we're probably trading out of the 1st round. But that would be awesome if we got Flip.
djFan71 wrote:Hal14 wrote:There was a mock I saw the other day that had us taking Filipowski at 30. As you can see, I'm pretty high on him. And I do think he'd be a good fit here. I don't want to get my hopes up, because he's probably not gonna fall that far and we're probably trading out of the 1st round. But that would be awesome if we got Flip.
The Ringer just updated theirs and has us passing on Filipowski for Shannon at 30 and Flip going 31. Two mocks say he's available = it's happening!!!! I definitely wouldn't hate it. They still have Zyon Pullin for us at 54.
phincsfan wrote:shackles10 wrote:redslastlaugh wrote:Justin Edwards has big James Young energy. I hope a team above us takes him to push a better prospect down.
James Young was actually a good college player though lol.
We all got tricked into that pick. He turned out to be the epitome of "lazy".
Hal14 wrote:djFan71 wrote:Hal14 wrote:There was a mock I saw the other day that had us taking Filipowski at 30. As you can see, I'm pretty high on him. And I do think he'd be a good fit here. I don't want to get my hopes up, because he's probably not gonna fall that far and we're probably trading out of the 1st round. But that would be awesome if we got Flip.
The Ringer just updated theirs and has us passing on Filipowski for Shannon at 30 and Flip going 31. Two mocks say he's available = it's happening!!!! I definitely wouldn't hate it. They still have Zyon Pullin for us at 54.
Woah, interesting that 2 mocks have Flip falling that far. So yeah, maybe it happens.
Shannon would be very interesting for us too. Obviously, I have him ranked pretty high as well. He's kind of like my guy Jamir Watkins, who I had ranked as a lottery pick before he decided to go back to college.
Watkins I think has better playmaking, better shot blocking, better at running PnR, and is about a year younger.
But Shannon might be a little bit better shooter.
Shannon would be an intriguing piece to add. For wings off the bench, you'd have Hauser (the elite shooter, offers very little off the dribble, lacks athleticism, strength, explosiveness, decent defender but doesn't really create turnovers) and Shannon (very athletic, very explosive, strong, creates lots of turnovers on D, really good at driving to the basket and pressuring the rim) so could be a nice mix with the 2 of them off the bench.
It would kind of be a bummer to draft a wing (to Shak's point) it would block Walsh and make it harder for him to get an opportunity. But some folks on here (and on Twitter) who watched Walsh in the g league more than I did this season say he's still 2 yrs away from being able to really contribute on a contender..
It'll be interesting to see if we hear news about any more of these higher ranked guys who could potentially fall to 30th pick (Holmes, Flip, Tyson, Shannon, etc.) working out for the Celtics over the next week or so leading up to the draft. If we keep bringing in more fringe guys, I feel like that's probably a sign that pick 30 will get traded.
djFan71 wrote:Hal14 wrote:There was a mock I saw the other day that had us taking Filipowski at 30. As you can see, I'm pretty high on him. And I do think he'd be a good fit here. I don't want to get my hopes up, because he's probably not gonna fall that far and we're probably trading out of the 1st round. But that would be awesome if we got Flip.
The Ringer just updated theirs and has us passing on Filipowski for Shannon at 30 and Flip going 31. Two mocks say he's available = it's happening!!!! I definitely wouldn't hate it. They still have Zyon Pullin for us at 54.
Hal14 wrote:djFan71 wrote:Hal14 wrote:There was a mock I saw the other day that had us taking Filipowski at 30. As you can see, I'm pretty high on him. And I do think he'd be a good fit here. I don't want to get my hopes up, because he's probably not gonna fall that far and we're probably trading out of the 1st round. But that would be awesome if we got Flip.
The Ringer just updated theirs and has us passing on Filipowski for Shannon at 30 and Flip going 31. Two mocks say he's available = it's happening!!!! I definitely wouldn't hate it. They still have Zyon Pullin for us at 54.
Woah, interesting that 2 mocks have Flip falling that far. So yeah, maybe it happens.
Shannon would be very interesting for us too. Obviously, I have him ranked pretty high as well. He's kind of like my guy Jamir Watkins, who I had ranked as a lottery pick before he decided to go back to college.
Watkins I think has better playmaking, better shot blocking, better at running PnR, and is about a year younger.
But Shannon might be a little bit better shooter.
Shannon would be an intriguing piece to add. For wings off the bench, you'd have Hauser (the elite shooter, offers very little off the dribble, lacks athleticism, strength, explosiveness, decent defender but doesn't really create turnovers) and Shannon (very athletic, very explosive, strong, creates lots of turnovers on D, really good at driving to the basket and pressuring the rim) so could be a nice mix with the 2 of them off the bench.
It would kind of be a bummer to draft a wing (to Shak's point) it would block Walsh and make it harder for him to get an opportunity. But some folks on here (and on Twitter) who watched Walsh in the g league more than I did this season say he's still 2 yrs away from being able to really contribute on a contender..
It'll be interesting to see if we hear news about any more of these higher ranked guys who could potentially fall to 30th pick (Holmes, Flip, Tyson, Shannon, etc.) working out for the Celtics over the next week or so leading up to the draft. If we keep bringing in more fringe guys, I feel like that's probably a sign that pick 30 will get traded.
playa-hater wrote:Obviously now that we got the Title out of the way we can move on to more important things. Building this Dynasty through this draft.. Let's Gooooo!!
keevsnick1 wrote:Hal14 wrote:djFan71 wrote:The Ringer just updated theirs and has us passing on Filipowski for Shannon at 30 and Flip going 31. Two mocks say he's available = it's happening!!!! I definitely wouldn't hate it. They still have Zyon Pullin for us at 54.
Woah, interesting that 2 mocks have Flip falling that far. So yeah, maybe it happens.
Shannon would be very interesting for us too. Obviously, I have him ranked pretty high as well. He's kind of like my guy Jamir Watkins, who I had ranked as a lottery pick before he decided to go back to college.
Watkins I think has better playmaking, better shot blocking, better at running PnR, and is about a year younger.
But Shannon might be a little bit better shooter.
Shannon would be an intriguing piece to add. For wings off the bench, you'd have Hauser (the elite shooter, offers very little off the dribble, lacks athleticism, strength, explosiveness, decent defender but doesn't really create turnovers) and Shannon (very athletic, very explosive, strong, creates lots of turnovers on D, really good at driving to the basket and pressuring the rim) so could be a nice mix with the 2 of them off the bench.
It would kind of be a bummer to draft a wing (to Shak's point) it would block Walsh and make it harder for him to get an opportunity. But some folks on here (and on Twitter) who watched Walsh in the g league more than I did this season say he's still 2 yrs away from being able to really contribute on a contender..
It'll be interesting to see if we hear news about any more of these higher ranked guys who could potentially fall to 30th pick (Holmes, Flip, Tyson, Shannon, etc.) working out for the Celtics over the next week or so leading up to the draft. If we keep bringing in more fringe guys, I feel like that's probably a sign that pick 30 will get traded.
I would like Filipowski. He seems like a smart, glue guy type offensive player who projects to be able to shoot the three and we know how much the Celtics like that sort of guy.
He's a lacking in length for a center, only a 6'11 wingspan and 8'11 standing reach. Might hurt him on defense, but he does seem to play both hard and smart on that end.
He has a remarkably similar physical profile to Kelly Olynyk in terms of measurements, and that guy has had a long career as a rotation level guy.
Hal14 wrote:Ok, so the more I think about it..and the more I watch this celtics team play playoff games (and NBA finals games) and also watch other playoff games, the more I think that I don't want to draft anyone with this pick who is a non-shooter.
A big reason for our success (and the success of other teams like OKC and DEN) is having all 5 guys who can shoot, pass and put the ball on the floor.
The exception is guys like Gobert, Lively, Gafford and to some extent Kornet, who compensate for their lack of shooting by providing enough value on offense (catch lobs, set screens, score from dunker's spot, score off put-backs, etc.) and on defense (rim protection).
With that in mind, these are the types of players I would be targeting with this pick if I'm Boston:
-A big..either a true 5 man or a guy who can play some small ball 5 mins but also play the 4. But either way, I'd prefer someone who can shoot or at least catch lobs (like Jesse Edwards)..but I think we all know that it might be a good idea to add a big, with Al's age, KP's injuries & Kornet and Tillman hitting free agency..
-A wing. Now this part is kind of a hot take. Now that I think it'd be a good idea to get a wing. But specifically, I think a wing who can not only shoot but also *create* shots, for themself and others would be ideal. I just think that so much of the shot creation burden falls on the Jays. Off the bench, everyone (for the most part) is either shooting specialist or a defensive specialist. We don't really have a "wing scorer" / shot creator specialist. And I think sometimes that causes our offense (when the bench unit is in) to be kind of stagnant and can have some stretches where the buckets are hard to come by. And then the other team goes on a run, or we have to put 1 (or both) of the Jays back in..and they don't end up getting enough rest, so then they're less effective/efficient when they're in the game.
Also, Hauser lacks strength, speed and athleticism. Pritchard lacks size and athleticism. Both of them sometimes struggle with on ball defense.
So a wing who can shoot, create, and has more strength/speed/athleticism would be nice.
Who's that guy? Could be someone like Terrence Shannon Jr, Jaylen Wells, Jaylon Tyson, Nikola Djurisic, Ja'Kobe Walter. Off the top of my head, those are the main ones I think of. Perhaps Kevin McCullar Jr as well. Before they decided to return to college, I would've included Hunter Sallis and jamir Watkins in there.
Doesn't seem like Brad wants this type of guy though, since we didn't really have anyone like this on this year's team off the bench (unless you maybe count Banton but his shooting was not good enough so I don't really count him for this) and we haven't had any of these guys in for a pre-draft workout.
We did work out Dillon Jones and Judah Mintz, who can both create shots for themselves and others pretty well. But both of them have concerns about their shooting (and to a less extent, concerns about their defense too).
Reports are saying we're bringing in 6 guys for a workout today. I'm very curious if any of the guys I just named (Wells, Djurisic, Tyson, Walter, McCullar, Shannon) are among the guys coming in today.
Walter I know is a long shot since he's projected in like the 11-21 range.
Djurisic is very intriguing to me. He checks a lot of boxes. Good size at 6'8". He can handle the ball like a guard. Actually played a bit of PG this season (as did Tyson and in small doses Shannon did as well). Djurisic is good at creating shots for himself and for others. Can run PnR, can drive it to the rim, has a decent "bag". Can shoot it pretty well. Has pretty good strength and athleticism. The defense is just okay. He's not a bad defender but not a good one either. I think we can coach him up to be playable on that end - especially since he's still pretty young - only 20 yrs old.
And it seems like a good chance Djurisic will still be there at 30. A mock I just saw (today's bleacher report mock) has him going 42nd to Charlotte. Seems like that 35-45 range is where I see him going a lot of the times. But I have him as the 19th best prospect in this draft. Perhaps we could trade down from the 30th pick and snag him in that 35-45 range..saving some money, getting some assets..and if we take him in the 2nd round, that gives us the flexibility of not having to give him a guaranteed contract - since he's an overseas player, we could even stash him for a year or 2, if we're thinking he';s not quite ready yet or if the roster is so deep/talented that there isn't really any mins for him right away.
keevsnick1 wrote:Hal14 wrote:djFan71 wrote:The Ringer just updated theirs and has us passing on Filipowski for Shannon at 30 and Flip going 31. Two mocks say he's available = it's happening!!!! I definitely wouldn't hate it. They still have Zyon Pullin for us at 54.
Woah, interesting that 2 mocks have Flip falling that far. So yeah, maybe it happens.
Shannon would be very interesting for us too. Obviously, I have him ranked pretty high as well. He's kind of like my guy Jamir Watkins, who I had ranked as a lottery pick before he decided to go back to college.
Watkins I think has better playmaking, better shot blocking, better at running PnR, and is about a year younger.
But Shannon might be a little bit better shooter.
Shannon would be an intriguing piece to add. For wings off the bench, you'd have Hauser (the elite shooter, offers very little off the dribble, lacks athleticism, strength, explosiveness, decent defender but doesn't really create turnovers) and Shannon (very athletic, very explosive, strong, creates lots of turnovers on D, really good at driving to the basket and pressuring the rim) so could be a nice mix with the 2 of them off the bench.
It would kind of be a bummer to draft a wing (to Shak's point) it would block Walsh and make it harder for him to get an opportunity. But some folks on here (and on Twitter) who watched Walsh in the g league more than I did this season say he's still 2 yrs away from being able to really contribute on a contender..
It'll be interesting to see if we hear news about any more of these higher ranked guys who could potentially fall to 30th pick (Holmes, Flip, Tyson, Shannon, etc.) working out for the Celtics over the next week or so leading up to the draft. If we keep bringing in more fringe guys, I feel like that's probably a sign that pick 30 will get traded.
I would like Filipowski. He seems like a smart, glue guy type offensive player who projects to be able to shoot the three and we know how much the Celtics like that sort of guy.
He's a lacking in length for a center, only a 6'11 wingspan and 8'11 standing reach. Might hurt him on defense, but he does seem to play both hard and smart on that end.
He has a remarkably similar physical profile to Kelly Olynyk in terms of measurements, and that guy has had a long career as a rotation level guy.
Hal14 wrote:Ok, so the more I think about it..and the more I watch this celtics team play playoff games (and NBA finals games) and also watch other playoff games, the more I think that I don't want to draft anyone with this pick who is a non-shooter.
A big reason for our success (and the success of other teams like OKC and DEN) is having all 5 guys who can shoot, pass and put the ball on the floor.
The exception is guys like Gobert, Lively, Gafford and to some extent Kornet, who compensate for their lack of shooting by providing enough value on offense (catch lobs, set screens, score from dunker's spot, score off put-backs, etc.) and on defense (rim protection).
With that in mind, these are the types of players I would be targeting with this pick if I'm Boston:
-A big..either a true 5 man or a guy who can play some small ball 5 mins but also play the 4. But either way, I'd prefer someone who can shoot or at least catch lobs (like Jesse Edwards)..but I think we all know that it might be a good idea to add a big, with Al's age, KP's injuries & Kornet and Tillman hitting free agency..
-A wing. Now this part is kind of a hot take. Now that I think it'd be a good idea to get a wing. But specifically, I think a wing who can not only shoot but also *create* shots, for themself and others would be ideal. I just think that so much of the shot creation burden falls on the Jays. Off the bench, everyone (for the most part) is either shooting specialist or a defensive specialist. We don't really have a "wing scorer" / shot creator specialist. And I think sometimes that causes our offense (when the bench unit is in) to be kind of stagnant and can have some stretches where the buckets are hard to come by. And then the other team goes on a run, or we have to put 1 (or both) of the Jays back in..and they don't end up getting enough rest, so then they're less effective/efficient when they're in the game.
Also, Hauser lacks strength, speed and athleticism. Pritchard lacks size and athleticism. Both of them sometimes struggle with on ball defense.
So a wing who can shoot, create, and has more strength/speed/athleticism would be nice.
Who's that guy? Could be someone like Terrence Shannon Jr, Jaylen Wells, Jaylon Tyson, Nikola Djurisic, Ja'Kobe Walter. Off the top of my head, those are the main ones I think of. Perhaps Kevin McCullar Jr as well. Before they decided to return to college, I would've included Hunter Sallis and jamir Watkins in there.
Doesn't seem like Brad wants this type of guy though, since we didn't really have anyone like this on this year's team off the bench (unless you maybe count Banton but his shooting was not good enough so I don't really count him for this) and we haven't had any of these guys in for a pre-draft workout.
We did work out Dillon Jones and Judah Mintz, who can both create shots for themselves and others pretty well. But both of them have concerns about their shooting (and to a less extent, concerns about their defense too).
Reports are saying we're bringing in 6 guys for a workout today. I'm very curious if any of the guys I just named (Wells, Djurisic, Tyson, Walter, McCullar, Shannon) are among the guys coming in today.
Walter I know is a long shot since he's projected in like the 11-21 range.
Djurisic is very intriguing to me. He checks a lot of boxes. Good size at 6'8". He can handle the ball like a guard. Actually played a bit of PG this season (as did Tyson and in small doses Shannon did as well). Djurisic is good at creating shots for himself and for others. Can run PnR, can drive it to the rim, has a decent "bag". Can shoot it pretty well. Has pretty good strength and athleticism. The defense is just okay. He's not a bad defender but not a good one either. I think we can coach him up to be playable on that end - especially since he's still pretty young - only 20 yrs old.
And it seems like a good chance Djurisic will still be there at 30. A mock I just saw (today's bleacher report mock) has him going 42nd to Charlotte. Seems like that 35-45 range is where I see him going a lot of the times. But I have him as the 19th best prospect in this draft. Perhaps we could trade down from the 30th pick and snag him in that 35-45 range..saving some money, getting some assets..and if we take him in the 2nd round, that gives us the flexibility of not having to give him a guaranteed contract - since he's an overseas player, we could even stash him for a year or 2, if we're thinking he';s not quite ready yet or if the roster is so deep/talented that there isn't really any mins for him right away.
165bows wrote:Did the Celtics work out Jaedon LeDee? There's another big 4/5 I could really see Brad liking this guy, Brad loves dudes that are strong!!
Hal14 wrote:165bows wrote:Did the Celtics work out Jaedon LeDee? There's another big 4/5 I could really see Brad liking this guy, Brad loves dudes that are strong!!
I don't think so - not yet.
But they're bringing in 6 guys for a workout today. Might bring more in over the next few days leading up to the draft.
It wouldn't surprise me if they brought in Ledee since they seem to be bringing in a lot of these PF/small ball 5 types..and older prospects, and prospects who have suspect shooting.
I actually just saw an article the other day where Ledee said the player who watches a lot and thinks he can try to play a role like them in the NBA is Xavier Tillman..