Bulls trade Alex Caruso to OKC for Josh Giddey

[kodo]

Not gonna happen, but I would love a new season with Demar S&T'd for something, Vuc traded, and the Bulls start the new season with Coby/Lavine/Giddey/#11. We won't be competitive, but we'll keep our San Antonio pick while watching younger players develop.

[bullskokie]

Not gonna happen, but I would love a new season with Demar S&T'd for something, Vuc traded, and the Bulls start the new season with Coby/Lavine/Giddey/#11. We won't be competitive, but we'll keep our San Antonio pick while watching younger players develop.

+1

[madvillian]

Horrific trade.

We just saw Giddey be absolutely unplayable vs the Mavs in the playoffs.

He's 22 years old. If he ends up being awful then they won't resign him - just like they wouldn't have resigned Caruso. If he continues to improve then Bulls have the right to match. Either way, this is the start of a blow-up and tank which is the right move.

I don't know how you could say that with much certainty. That said, I hope you're right.

[MGB8]

Giddey doesn’t put up the assist numbers that he did if the above Anne dotes are accurate.

Anyway, in theory, Giddey fits next to Coby + LaVine + Pat. In contrast, no real scenario where he fits well with DDR. Does this mean that AKME is pivoting, giving up on trading LaVine (for zero value) and resigning DDR (at excess cost)?

The question is whether the Bulls are trading LaVine AND DeRozan, not whether they are trading LaVine OR DeRozan.

LaVine is gone and it’s mind-boggling to keep seeing people think otherwise. The only way LaVine is back is if the Bulls literally cannot find anyone to take him or would need to attach assets to move him.

Which may well be the case. There may be zero key for LaVine out there. Reports of the Bulls going to 15 teams and offering Zach for packages they come up are the opposite of encouraging on that front - they suggest that despite the FO being fairly obviously desperate to move Zach for anything of marginal value… they can’t (and instead would have to attach assets).

[Ice Man]

Seems like a good deal to me. He's a young player with obvious talent who got left behind on a stacked young team. I don't see how we could have received more.

A good deal for OKC, too!

[Jo Jo English]

The more I think about this trade, the more I am coming around on it. I just wish we had moved on from Caruso sooner (when his value was higher) and that the Bulls could have squeezed a bit of draft capital out of OKC.

Giddey is an interesting youngster with a decent amount of upside. It will be interesting to watch him with a change of scenery. Hopefully this signals the Bulls are all-in on a rebuild.

[Markksman_24]

[Guru]

What the hell? I wasn't expecting that.

Per 36 last year Giddey averaged 18, 9, and 7 with a steal and a block with a 55 TS%

He's a stat sheet stuffer and looks like our Lonzo replacement as a big playmaking PG. Not sure about his defense, but hopefully he continues to improve his shot.

I kinda like it? I hate losing Caruso and I really wish we could have gotten some kind of picks as well, but taking a gamble on a big, young PG who can do a little bit of everything isn't terrible.

I'll refrain from making any underage jokes.

Maybe now we'll look to dump Lonzo for whatever we can get.

I am Giddey about it

[coldfish]

Caruso was Chicago's second or third best player last year. If someone wanted a rebuild, this is it.

I have long thought that the players a team should target are recent disappointing draft picks. Draft picks themselves are fantastically overvalued. This fits the bill.

Overall, tough trade to swallow from a fan's standpoint. Caruso was one of the few bright spots the last few years. That said, at least this signals the end of continuity.

[Dan Z]

What is GIddey good at? He's pretty tall (with Jimmy G arms) and I guess is a decent ball handler/passing vision for the size? And I guess being his age 22 season is a plus? I'll try and find ways to convince myself there is upside here as I'm a glutton for punishment from this franchise.

His shot improved every year since he got drafted, so there's that. But it's still not good. Also, wasn't he benched during the playoffs this year?

[Dan Z]

Caruso was Chicago's second or third best player last year. If someone wanted a rebuild, this is it.

I have long thought that the players a team should target are recent disappointing draft picks. Draft picks themselves are fantastically overvalued. This fits the bill.

Overall, tough trade to swallow from a fan's standpoint. Caruso was one of the few bright spots the last few years. That said, at least this signals the end of continuity.

I said this in response to another post: We won't know if AK is rebuilding until we see what happens with DDR.

[DuckIII]

Hate to be this guy but i'm pretty positive 21 year old Giddey would go #1 in this years draft. I'm thrilled with this haul. I hope they announce picks later but hey, this is a good young player who we have team control over and who's game theoretically can improve other pieces on our roster with his playmaking. Lets give him the keys, anything has been better than what we've been watching.

That's the most noteworthy downside in my view. We don't really have team control. This is the last year of his deal.

And we can match any deal he gets.

Ah, yes. Thank you.

[DuckIII]

Hate to be this guy but i'm pretty positive 21 year old Giddey would go #1 in this years draft. I'm thrilled with this haul. I hope they announce picks later but hey, this is a good young player who we have team control over and who's game theoretically can improve other pieces on our roster with his playmaking. Lets give him the keys, anything has been better than what we've been watching.

That's the most noteworthy downside in my view. We don't really have team control. This is the last year of his deal.

He's restricted though where AC wasn't. The rookie max for what his upside is and brings potentially is better than AC at 25 million a year in his 30s

You guys are right and thanks for correcting me. I don't know why I thought he was unrestricted after this year.

[Guru]

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[Dan Z]

That's the most noteworthy downside in my view. We don't really have team control. This is the last year of his deal.

And we can match any deal he gets.

Ah, yes. Thank you.

That's another reason why I'd rather AK trade Caruso for a pick in the draft (maybe more?). I think the unknown quantity on a longer contract (at a decent price) is a better move (risk?) for the long term future of the team.

[DuckIII]

There is a roughly a zero percent chance of Zach being on the roster.

Giddey was brought in to be the starting PG.

Bingo.

Impacts the draft as well. I think we can put the Carter rumors to bed unless AK plans on trading one of Coby or Ayo.

Idk, Billy likes 3 guard lineups and the team now lacks a POA defender. Carter fills that need.

Ayo is a POA defender. He's not AC, but he's very good. I just don't see us taking a guard in the draft anymore. Not with the 11th pick anyway. I guess a defender like Carter maybe, just maybe, because Giddey can play the 3.

[MGB8]

What is GIddey good at? He's pretty tall (with Jimmy G arms) and I guess is a decent ball handler/passing vision for the size? And I guess being his age 22 season is a plus? I'll try and find ways to convince myself there is upside here as I'm a glutton for punishment from this franchise.

His shot improved every year since he got drafted, so there's that. But it's still not good. Also, wasn't he benched during the playoffs this year?

Not good… but better than DeRozan at 34% on mid (not high) volume. Doesn’t have a huge TO volume (3 per 36, compared to 7 assist per 36). Handle does need some improvement, but Coby showed that can happen. Vision and passing is really, really good. Shoots pretty darn well from 0-3, but not great from 3-10. But that is another thing that has a reasonable possibility of improving; a bit more core strength and learned savvy… “finding his shots…”

[RedBulls23]

AC had more value than this, but when you have a bad EVP dealing with a great EVP, obviously the bad EVP gets swindled.

Giddey got benched because he can't defend or shoot in,
the playoffs, and the Bulls decide to trade their best asset for him? On top of him being a terrible fit with DeMar and Vuc.

[nomorezorro]

giddey only having one year on his rookie deal is an incentive to legitimately turn this roster over and acquire players who are complementary to his game

ideally, we should be trying to find out as soon as possible if it's realistic to expect him to function as the primary ballhandler on a team that's good. we probably can't build a team that's good next season, but we can at least try to get a glimpse at what he looks like under optimal conditions for him — that means surrounding him with shooters, lob threats, and guys who can run in transition.

right now, the only guys we have under contract who took more than 4 3pa per game last season are coby, zach and vuc. there's a good chance zach is gone by the time the season starts, and vuc stunk at shooting last year.

[Ben Wilson25]

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