**NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0**

[dolphinatik]

What if the heat have an opportunity to trade down for a team that wants to draft bronny ahead of the Lakers should they do it or draft for the Lakers for their 2nd round pick and they pick for us 2 slots later

[greg4012]

Pacome Dadiet has a SG's game and a PF's frame. He will still be 18 on draft night.

He measured 6'7.75 without shoes with a 6'9 wingspan and a wild 8'11.5 standing reach, weighing in at 217 pounds with clear room to add muscle (and likely explosiveness along with it) to his frame. He went through a late growth spurt in the past year to get to his 6'8 height, which usually indicates a little more coordination and power will follow.

Dadiet's 8'11.5 standing reach is the 6th longest of any non-center prospect with listed measurements for this draft (20th longest overall). The 5 ahead of him are all PFs with clear big man games.

At 217 pounds at 18 years old, Dadiet weighs the 14th most of any non-center with listed measurements for this draft. Only 4 of those 14 players are under 20 years old. All are clear PF prospects except Dadiet and maybe Tidjane Salaun (projected top 10 pick).

The blend of baseline skills and size, youth, and physical and developmental upside is outstanding.

This article gives a good deep dive into Dadiet's game, including how he compares to Salaun across numerous metrics:

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/pacome-to-dadiet-projecting-pacome

[greg4012]

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If Bub's physicality and strength continues catching up after his late growth spurt, one would hope that could lead to better paint penetration and finishing. Without that weakness he's a REALLY nice PG prospect.

[IceColdCubano]

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Collier may be the best advantage creator in this draft

The most difficult thing there to improve in the game is the Isolation statistic. Everything else comes can be improved if you posses the physical tools to do them. Collier is the second worst on that, because while physically he can create separation due to his handling, quicness(which is adamant from his ballscreen percentages), his inability to shoot off the dribble, or on faceup drops his iso significantly. Rob and Reed clear him significantly. Topic being slower, and not having a good shot is hurting his isolation game significantly being the worst of the group.

Remember just because you have a high advantage creation percentage does not mean it translates to you taking full use of those opportunities.

[greg4012]

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Collier may be the best advantage creator in this draft

The most difficult thing there to improve in the game is the Isolation statistic. Everything else comes can be improved if you posses the physical tools to do them. Collier is the second worst on that, because while physically he can create separation due to his handling, quicness(which is adamant from his ballscreen percentages), his inability to shoot off the dribble, or on faceup drops his iso significantly. Rob and Reed clear him significantly. Topic being slower, and not having a good shot is hurting his isolation game significantly being the worst of the group.

Remember just because you have a high advantage creation percentage does not mean it translates to you taking full use of those opportunities.

Yup that's def tied directly to shooting and is the spacing dynamic at play.

Collier's upside case has always been about him needing his shooting to come around to be enough of a threat to have defenders not just drop on him.

We'll see if he gets there. Mixed signals and it's always hard to project.

Whether Collier can be the guy or not, this iteration of the Miami squad has been starving for advantage creation and for someone to be able to collapse the defense.

[HeatingUp3]

So who are our options whom i can scout on youtube?

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[lastb1ckman]

Pacome Dadiet has a SG's game and a PF's frame. He will still be 18 on draft night.

He measured 6'7.75 without shoes with a 6'9 wingspan and a wild 8'11.5 standing reach, weighing in at 217 pounds with clear room to add muscle (and likely explosiveness along with it) to his frame. He went through a late growth spurt in the past year to get to his 6'8 height, which usually indicates a little more coordination and power will follow.

Dadiet's 8'11.5 standing reach is the 6th longest of any non-center prospect with listed measurements for this draft (20th longest overall). The 5 ahead of him are all PFs with clear big man games.

At 217 pounds at 18 years old, Dadiet weighs the 14th most of any non-center with listed measurements for this draft. Only 4 of those 14 players are under 20 years old. All are clear PF prospects except Dadiet and maybe Tidjane Salaun (projected top 10 pick).

The blend of baseline skills and size, youth, and physical and developmental upside is outstanding.

This article gives a good deep dive into Dadiet's game, including how he compares to Salaun across numerous metrics:

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/pacome-to-dadiet-projecting-pacome

I haven't looked him up yet. What's his player comp?

[DayofMourning]

An interesting bit on Dadiet's wingspan being believed to be 7'2" but it looks like it was measured at 6'9".

[DayofMourning]

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2024-nba-mock-draft-v7

Matas to the Blazers would be something. Take that Cronin!

[lastb1ckman]

So who are our options whom i can scout on youtube?

There's footage of a guy looking at a full game of Edey vs Ware that I posted a few days ago. It's on youtube. Ware held up alright in the first half, but Edey REALLY went off in the 2nd.

[greg4012]

An interesting bit on Dadiet's wingspan being believed to be 7'2" but it looks like it was measured at 6'9".

Yup 6'9 wingspan and the 6th longest standing reach among all non-centers in the draft at nearly 9 feet. The only 5 forwards with longer standing reach than him are all true PF prospects. His standing reach has him reaching higher than prospects like Filipowski (C/PF), Risacher, Buzelis, Tyler Smith, Da Silva, Oso Ighodaro (center), PJ Hall (PF/C)

Considering his SG/SF game he has one of the best physical builds for positional play in this draft IMO

[greg4012]

Pacome Dadiet has a SG's game and a PF's frame. He will still be 18 on draft night.

He measured 6'7.75 without shoes with a 6'9 wingspan and a wild 8'11.5 standing reach, weighing in at 217 pounds with clear room to add muscle (and likely explosiveness along with it) to his frame. He went through a late growth spurt in the past year to get to his 6'8 height, which usually indicates a little more coordination and power will follow.

Dadiet's 8'11.5 standing reach is the 6th longest of any non-center prospect with listed measurements for this draft (20th longest overall). The 5 ahead of him are all PFs with clear big man games.

At 217 pounds at 18 years old, Dadiet weighs the 14th most of any non-center with listed measurements for this draft. Only 4 of those 14 players are under 20 years old. All are clear PF prospects except Dadiet and maybe Tidjane Salaun (projected top 10 pick)

The blend of baseline skills and size, youth, and physical and developmental upside is outstanding.

This article gives a good deep dive into Dadiet's game, including how he compares to Salaun across numerous metrics:

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/pacome-to-dadiet-projecting-pacome

I haven't looked him up yet. What's his player comp?

TBH it's hard for me to say, especially given his lower minutes/usage role (15 mpg for his pro team in Germany). Comparing his tape, role and production from this season to other prospects' tapes, he has a lot of on-court play style & production similarities to freshman Devin Booker at Kentucky. He has the frame of wings like Nic Batum and Paul George, with enough glimpses of handle (former PG) and scoring ability at 3 levels. He's mentioned he models his game after players like Paul George.

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I don't expect him to be as quick as Booker, and TBD if he can continue to develop to be as explosive as either Paul George (doubtful) or peak Batum (maybe). But, I do think his game is based in having a reliable jumper with a high release point that he can get to on any part of the court and a strong wing frame with an advanced enough handle to get to the spots he needs to on the court.

Can't bank on the upside case, but considering all the tools Dadiet has to work with at the age of 18, I'd expect as a baseline a floor spacing wing that can shoot from 3 at volume with at least adequate defense.

I'd bet that Miami would turn him into an off-ball movement shooter (the Duncan program) in addition to developing his on-ball scoring ability.

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Matchup with Zaccharie Risacher

Damn I would love to by a fly on the wall for Miami' workouts with some of these prospects.

[greg4012]

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Collier may be the best advantage creator in this draft

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[lastb1ckman]

An interesting bit on Dadiet's wingspan being believed to be 7'2" but it looks like it was measured at 6'9".

First Topic, now him? What's with these euro prospects putting out phoney wingspan before the draft cycle?

6'9" isn't bad for his height, but 7'2" would have been top end outlier length. That's center length.

[DayofMourning]

An interesting bit on Dadiet's wingspan being believed to be 7'2" but it looks like it was measured at 6'9".

First Topic, now him? What's with these euro prospects putting out phoney wingspan before the draft cycle?

6'9" isn't bad for his height, but 7'2" would have been top end outlier length. That's center length.

He must have narrow shoulders because his standing reach is pretty impressive. Nearly 9 feet.

[DayofMourning]

Collier worked out with the 76ers. Hmmmm. Our Butler trade partners putting some work in for us?

[twix2500]

If I am looking for a player with scoring potential. I am looking for a player who can score without a screen or pick. Also a player who can score without space.

[Wiltside]

An interesting bit on Dadiet's wingspan being believed to be 7'2" but it looks like it was measured at 6'9".

First Topic, now him? What's with these euro prospects putting out phoney wingspan before the draft cycle?

6'9" isn't bad for his height, but 7'2" would have been top end outlier length. That's center length.

Let’s not say this is a Euro specific thing. Plenty of American prospects have had the same. Didn’t Collier go from 6’5” to 6’2”?

[rate_]

If I am looking for a player with scoring potential. I am looking for a player who can score without a screen or pick. Also a player who can score without space.

Collier and Dillingham