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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1241 » by randy84 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:35 pm

Badgerlander wrote:I can’t believe that anyone who watched our defense last year thinks adding another wing defender is redundant? I’d love to grab Shannon too, but i doubt either guy will make it to 33

I can't believe that anyone who watched the Bucks last year doesn't think that there is a need for a center.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1242 » by Badgerlander » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:41 pm

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Badgerlander wrote:I can’t believe that anyone who watched our defense last year thinks adding another wing defender is redundant? I’d love to grab Shannon too, but i doubt either guy will make it to 33

I can't believe that anyone who watched the Bucks last year doesn't think that there is a need for a center.

By all means draft one but whoever it is won’t be ready to start for a few seasons, especially if the team has championship aspirations.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1243 » by randy84 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:48 pm

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Badgerlander wrote:I can’t believe that anyone who watched our defense last year thinks adding another wing defender is redundant? I’d love to grab Shannon too, but i doubt either guy will make it to 33

I can't believe that anyone who watched the Bucks last year doesn't think that there is a need for a center.

By all means draft one but whoever it is won’t be ready to start for a few seasons, especially if the team has championship aspirations.


But a guy that can't shoot is going to be able to start immediately? AJJ couldn't even get on the court with Beasley as your main defender.

If you trying to win now, you can't be developing two guys who are very similar at the same position. They are going to take development time away from each other.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1244 » by Karsenmitsche » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:50 pm

Badgerlander wrote:I can’t believe that anyone who watched our defense last year thinks adding another wing defender is redundant? I’d love to grab Shannon too, but i doubt either guy will make it to 33


especially one that can potentially fill the PJ role we've been searching for since he left.
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Post#1245 » by Karsenmitsche » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:52 pm

I'm all in on a McCain trade-up, absolute perfect fit at the 2. POA defense and elite level shooting.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1246 » by machu46 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:55 pm

Badgerlander wrote:I can’t believe that anyone who watched our defense last year thinks adding another wing defender is redundant? I’d love to grab Shannon too, but i doubt either guy will make it to 33

My guess is it isn’t the good defense people have a problem with but rather the fact that he’s another guy that teams straight up will not guard on the other end. The defensive ceiling with him is obviously very, very high but might just be a better bet to take someone that’s worse defensively while still being solid or good and also having a pulse offensively.


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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1247 » by drone3 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:58 pm

Karsenmitsche wrote:I'm all in on a McCain trade-up, absolute perfect fit at the 2. POA defense and elite level shooting.
McCain would be amazing and unlock our second unit.
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Post#1248 » by RiotPunch » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:03 pm

Karsenmitsche wrote:I'm all in on a McCain trade-up, absolute perfect fit at the 2. POA defense and elite level shooting.

That's a small backcourt, as McCain is the size of Jerryd Bayless. That shot is pure, though. 6MOY kinda guy and Dame's eventual successor.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1249 » by Badgerlander » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:07 pm

randy84 wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
randy84 wrote:I can't believe that anyone who watched the Bucks last year doesn't think that there is a need for a center.

By all means draft one but whoever it is won’t be ready to start for a few seasons, especially if the team has championship aspirations.


But a guy that can't shoot is going to be able to start immediately? AJJ couldn't even get on the court with Beasley as your main defender.

If you trying to win now, you can't be developing two guys who are very similar at the same position. They are going to take development time away from each other.


The front office promised Beasley the starting job to get him to sign here. Andre was starting to prove himself when we fired our coach and then had to prove himself all over again. Not surprised Doc would go with Pat Bev though given their history. Regardless Dunn would replace Crowders 23mpg and 6.2ppg pretty easily as our bigger wing defender. I personally think he would earn even more minutes as the season goes on given his defensive versatility.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1250 » by Karsenmitsche » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:12 pm

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Karsenmitsche wrote:I'm all in on a McCain trade-up, absolute perfect fit at the 2. POA defense and elite level shooting.

That's a small backcourt, as McCain is the size of Jerryd Bayless. That shot is pure, though. 6MOY kinda guy and Dame's eventual successor.


Willing to live with the small backcourt if it means unlocking an elite offense and having someone on the floor who can defend at POA.
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Post#1251 » by randy84 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:16 pm

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Badgerlander wrote:By all means draft one but whoever it is won’t be ready to start for a few seasons, especially if the team has championship aspirations.


But a guy that can't shoot is going to be able to start immediately? AJJ couldn't even get on the court with Beasley as your main defender.

If you trying to win now, you can't be developing two guys who are very similar at the same position. They are going to take development time away from each other.


The front office promised Beasley the starting job to get him to sign here. Andre was starting to prove himself when we fired our coach and then had to prove himself all over again. Not surprised Doc would go with Pat Bev though given their history. Regardless Dunn would replace Crowders 23mpg and 6.2ppg pretty easily as our bigger wing defender. I personally think he would earn even more minutes as the season goes on given his defensive versatility.


The front office didn't promise Beasley the starting job to get him here. That is the classic RealGm made up rumor. When Beasley signed, Grayson Allen was the starting shooting guard next to Jrue Holiday. No one promised Beasley anything except a chance to play with Giannis. Beasley became the starter because Beauchamp couldn't take advantage of the situation.

So Dunn is going to replace Crowder's 23 mpg ahead of Beauchamp? Crowder got a lot of minutes because Mids was limited. I would bet you no matter who drafts Dunn he averages less than 12 minutes a game. I would also bet he spends a lot of time in the G-League trying to fix his shot.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1252 » by randy84 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:26 pm

"His jump shot itself is another weakness. Dunn never warranted respect on the perimeter in college, making just 12 three-pointers on 51 attempts in two seasons. Opponents had no problem sending him to the free-throw line either, as the guard finished his career in Charlottesville a touch under 53 percent on free throws.

Paired with a lacking aggressiveness at times, that low level of efficiency led Dunn to post numerous suspect performances last season — he made one or fewer field goals in six different contests despite playing 20 or more minutes in all of them. Perhaps more worrying, his frailties on offense appeared to worsen as the campaign went on — in Virginia’s final 14 games, Dunn averaged just 5.2 points per game on 10 percent shooting from three-point range and 35.3 percent at the line."

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2024/04/evaluating-ryan-dunns-nba-draft-profile
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1253 » by Badgerlander » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:49 pm

randy84 wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
randy84 wrote:
But a guy that can't shoot is going to be able to start immediately? AJJ couldn't even get on the court with Beasley as your main defender.

If you trying to win now, you can't be developing two guys who are very similar at the same position. They are going to take development time away from each other.


The front office promised Beasley the starting job to get him to sign here. Andre was starting to prove himself when we fired our coach and then had to prove himself all over again. Not surprised Doc would go with Pat Bev though given their history. Regardless Dunn would replace Crowders 23mpg and 6.2ppg pretty easily as our bigger wing defender. I personally think he would earn even more minutes as the season goes on given his defensive versatility.


The front office didn't promise Beasley the starting job to get him here. That is the classic RealGm made up rumor. When Beasley signed, Grayson Allen was the starting shooting guard next to Jrue Holiday. No one promised Beasley anything except a chance to play with Giannis. Beasley became the starter because Beauchamp couldn't take advantage of the situation.

So Dunn is going to replace Crowder's 23 mpg ahead of Beauchamp? Crowder got a lot of minutes because Mids was limited. I would bet you no matter who drafts Dunn he averages less than 12 minutes a game. I would also bet he spends a lot of time in the G-League trying to fix his shot.

You’re right, Horst offered Beas the opportunity to start.
Jon [Horst] is such a great person, we talk a lot, and he was like you have an opportunity to start here.

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Mids should remain limited to try and keep him healthy for the playoffs. If Marjon earns that job then great but he has been inconsistent at best on both ends of the court. I think Dunn walks in the door as our best defender not named Giannis
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1254 » by drone3 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:51 pm

randy84 wrote:"His jump shot itself is another weakness. Dunn never warranted respect on the perimeter in college, making just 12 three-pointers on 51 attempts in two seasons. Opponents had no problem sending him to the free-throw line either, as the guard finished his career in Charlottesville a touch under 53 percent on free throws.

Paired with a lacking aggressiveness at times, that low level of efficiency led Dunn to post numerous suspect performances last season — he made one or fewer field goals in six different contests despite playing 20 or more minutes in all of them. Perhaps more worrying, his frailties on offense appeared to worsen as the campaign went on — in Virginia’s final 14 games, Dunn averaged just 5.2 points per game on 10 percent shooting from three-point range and 35.3 percent at the line."

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2024/04/evaluating-ryan-dunns-nba-draft-profile
Crappy shooting plus getting hacked destroyed his confidence... This is a big deal, probably not worth the risk at #23
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1255 » by SupremeHustle » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:59 pm

One of you guys sometimes does a RealGM board consensus pick for our picks. Can someone do that for a brother so I can check out some of the guys I may have missed? Who do we like?
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1256 » by Ron Swanson » Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:59 pm

randy84 wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
randy84 wrote:I can't believe that anyone who watched the Bucks last year doesn't think that there is a need for a center.

By all means draft one but whoever it is won’t be ready to start for a few seasons, especially if the team has championship aspirations.


But a guy that can't shoot is going to be able to start immediately? AJJ couldn't even get on the court with Beasley as your main defender.

If you trying to win now, you can't be developing two guys who are very similar at the same position. They are going to take development time away from each other.


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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1257 » by emunney » Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:35 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:One of you guys sometimes does a RealGM board consensus pick for our picks. Can someone do that for a brother so I can check out some of the guys I may have missed? Who do we like?


I used to do an aggregated draft board. Could do it again.
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Post#1258 » by emunney » Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:36 pm

We can just do it here. Everybody post your top 30 and I'll add it up on the 25th.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1259 » by jakecronus8 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:37 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:One of you guys sometimes does a RealGM board consensus pick for our picks. Can someone do that for a brother so I can check out some of the guys I may have missed? Who do we like?

There is such a wide spectrum on prospect analysis this year. I think it can easily be a year where a guy people are projecting in the late teens ends up top 5.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27 

Post#1260 » by drone3 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:40 pm

Some at the top could also slide.. Thinking Dillingham and Topic

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