Mitch Available!?

[Fat Kat]

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[ctorres]

Would make me so sad to lose Mitch

He has one of the best contracts in the league

Is it his fault he misses games if he is doing everything he is asked to do by the organization?

I thought iHart and Mitch were best friends.

Maybe their friendship isn't the same ever since iHart became the starting center and took Mitch's spot?

Ideally Mitch should be coming off the bench, but maybe Mitch doesn't want that and would rather start for another team than come off the bench for iHart.

[thebuzzardman]

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Mitch getting traded for Richaun Holmes or Marvin Begley.

Hate to see it.

[HopelessKnick]

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Yep, like we discussed here, the Wizards make sense as a trading partner as they'd have some disproportional interest in getting control over their pick back. With Kuzma and Avdija they have two players that could be of use for the Knicks that are both on good contracts.

We can see again that obvious and clear model of how the Knicks' FO operates: A good contract for any incoming players is an absolute must. Kuzma on 23mill. a year (declining) is a good one for a player that is a good allrounder and has no glaring weakness. Sure you'd like him to be a better shooter but he is a solid scorer, defender and playmaker. I do however wonder whether the talks are focused on Avdija since his 15mill. contract is a perfect match salary-wise. If the trade is for Kuzma we'd have to add someone to Mitch as there is a 10mill. gap in contracts....any ideas?

[thebuzzardman]

Waiting for the Shamet & pick swap trade to be announced. Wizards also get their protected 1st back.

Buzztrodamus

[thebuzzardman]

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Yep, like we discussed here, the Wizards make sense as a trading partner as they'd have some disproportional interest in getting control over their pick back. With Kuzma and Avdija they have two players that could be of use for the Knicks that are both on good contracts.

We can see again that obvious and clear model of how the Knicks' FO operates: A good contract for any incoming players is an absolute must. Kuzma on 23mill. a year (declining) is a good one for a player that is a good allrounder and has no glaring weakness. Sure you'd like him to be a better shooter but he is a solid scorer, defender and playmaker. I do however wonder whether the talks are focused on Avdija since his 15mill. contract is a perfect match salary-wise. If the trade is for Kuzma we'd have to add someone to Mitch as there is a 10mill. gap in contracts....any ideas?

Bogs, Mitch, 2 picks, for Deni, Tyus (ignoring that neither want to be Knicks playing 15 mpg)

[HopelessKnick]

Would make me so sad to lose Mitch

He has one of the best contracts in the league

Is it his fault he misses games if he is doing everything he is asked to do by the organization?

I thought iHart and Mitch were best friends.

Maybe their friendship isn't the same ever since iHart became the starting center and took Mitch's spot?

Ideally Mitch should be coming off the bench, but maybe Mitch doesn't want that and would rather start for another team than come off the bench for iHart.

No but also not the organization's fault. Ultimately some players are just injury prone and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Mitch is the longest tenured Knicks, so it is not like the Knicks traded him first chance they had....in fact they have been patient but the recurrent injuries are just devastating for the franchise. It is nothing personal at all but at one point one has to make a solid business decision for the team.

[HopelessKnick]

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Yep, like we discussed here, the Wizards make sense as a trading partner as they'd have some disproportional interest in getting control over their pick back. With Kuzma and Avdija they have two players that could be of use for the Knicks that are both on good contracts.

We can see again that obvious and clear model of how the Knicks' FO operates: A good contract for any incoming players is an absolute must. Kuzma on 23mill. a year (declining) is a good one for a player that is a good allrounder and has no glaring weakness. Sure you'd like him to be a better shooter but he is a solid scorer, defender and playmaker. I do however wonder whether the talks are focused on Avdija since his 15mill. contract is a perfect match salary-wise. If the trade is for Kuzma we'd have to add someone to Mitch as there is a 10mill. gap in contracts....any ideas?

Bogs, Mitch, 2 picks, for Deni, Tyus (ignoring that neither want to be Knicks playing 15 mpg)

If Mitch gets traded and a SF comes back then I do believe there will be solid playing time available. Isaiah and Precious would be the primary Centers while Randle and Kuzma or Avdija or OG would man the 4 (and 3) along with Hart.

One question: Can Bogs contract be combined with another one?

[RHODEY]

If Mitch destination is indeed New Orleans, it would be cool for him to go back to his hometown. Make no mistake folks, Mitch is an injury prone player but New Orleans is in dire need of a starting 5. Surely they give us one of their nice 3 and D wing defenders for a starting center.

Option # 1
Herb Jones for Mitch and 1 FRP

Option # 2
Larry Nance, Jose Alvarado and # 21 for Mitch and # 24

Option # 3
Trey Murphy , Jordan Hawkins for Mitch and 1 FRP

For option # 1Why do you have us giving them the pick? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Because Herb Jones is on a nice contract. He is basically a cheaper version of Mikal Bridges
49% FG% | 41% 3pt | 87% FT
1st All-Defense team and 5th DPOY for 2024

If Mitch plays 70+ games, he has a chance to be a DPOY candidate, all-defender... but he has not.

For the Knicks, he would be our insurance if OG goes down again. He can also play the 4 spot if need be. He's always been a starter with NO, so I'm not sure how acceptable for him to come off the bench. After writing this, I would think we would need to give up another pick.

No need to explain on Jones abilities...yeah he's nice...but one could argue they need Mitch more than we need Jones.

[thebuzzardman]

Yep, like we discussed here, the Wizards make sense as a trading partner as they'd have some disproportional interest in getting control over their pick back. With Kuzma and Avdija they have two players that could be of use for the Knicks that are both on good contracts.

We can see again that obvious and clear model of how the Knicks' FO operates: A good contract for any incoming players is an absolute must. Kuzma on 23mill. a year (declining) is a good one for a player that is a good allrounder and has no glaring weakness. Sure you'd like him to be a better shooter but he is a solid scorer, defender and playmaker. I do however wonder whether the talks are focused on Avdija since his 15mill. contract is a perfect match salary-wise. If the trade is for Kuzma we'd have to add someone to Mitch as there is a 10mill. gap in contracts....any ideas?

Bogs, Mitch, 2 picks, for Deni, Tyus (ignoring that neither want to be Knicks playing 15 mpg)

If Mitch gets traded and a SF comes back then I do believe there will be solid playing time available. Isaiah and Precious would be the primary Centers while Randle and Kuzma or Avdija or OG would man the 4 (and 3) along with Hart.

One question: Can Bogs contract be combined with another one?

Not sure about Bogs contract. Can Tyus, if he's a S&T as a FA as part of this?

[Richard4444]

Yep, like we discussed here, the Wizards make sense as a trading partner as they'd have some disproportional interest in getting control over their pick back. With Kuzma and Avdija they have two players that could be of use for the Knicks that are both on good contracts.

We can see again that obvious and clear model of how the Knicks' FO operates: A good contract for any incoming players is an absolute must. Kuzma on 23mill. a year (declining) is a good one for a player that is a good allrounder and has no glaring weakness. Sure you'd like him to be a better shooter but he is a solid scorer, defender and playmaker. I do however wonder whether the talks are focused on Avdija since his 15mill. contract is a perfect match salary-wise. If the trade is for Kuzma we'd have to add someone to Mitch as there is a 10mill. gap in contracts....any ideas?

Bogs, Mitch, 2 picks, for Deni, Tyus (ignoring that neither want to be Knicks playing 15 mpg)

If Mitch gets traded and a SF comes back then I do believe there will be solid playing time available. Isaiah and Precious would be the primary Centers while Randle and Kuzma or Avdija or OG would man the 4 (and 3) along with Hart.

One question: Can Bogs contract be combined with another one?

Any trade that we have to aggregate outgoing salaries would hard cap us on the second apron.

[Meat]

Agreed

Mitch makes like 16 mil per and if we give iHart 18 mil that’s 34 mil per year in the center position

Embiid makes like 50 mil so I don’t see why we can’t keep both

because embid gives you 35points and mitch\ihart gives you 12 combined on a team that already struggles to score

34 million for 48 minutes of good center production is super cheap. You don’t have to compare it to Embiid. Compare it to any average playoff level team.

average playoff team isnt the goal, they're already an average playoff team, you have min\maxing if you want to win it all

[NoDopeOnSundays]

If Mitch destination is indeed New Orleans, it would be cool for him to go back to his hometown. Make no mistake folks, Mitch is an injury prone player but New Orleans is in dire need of a starting 5. Surely they give us one of their nice 3 and D wing defenders for a starting center.

Option # 1
Herb Jones for Mitch and 1 FRP

Option # 2
Larry Nance, Jose Alvarado and # 21 for Mitch and # 24

Option # 3
Trey Murphy , Jordan Hawkins for Mitch and 1 FRP

For option # 1Why do you have us giving them the pick? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Because Herb Jones is on a nice contract. He is basically a cheaper version of Mikal Bridges
49% FG% | 41% 3pt | 87% FT
1st All-Defense team and 5th DPOY for 2024

If Mitch plays 70+ games, he has a chance to be a DPOY candidate, all-defender... but he has not.

For the Knicks, he would be our insurance if OG goes down again. He can also play the 4 spot if need be. He's always been a starter with NO, so I'm not sure how acceptable for him to come off the bench. After writing this, I would think we would need to give up another pick.

The Pelicans aren't trading Herb Jones, and if they did it wouldn't be for Mitch.


You guys need more realistic targets.

[Jeffrey]

Yep, like we discussed here, the Wizards make sense as a trading partner as they'd have some disproportional interest in getting control over their pick back. With Kuzma and Avdija they have two players that could be of use for the Knicks that are both on good contracts.

We can see again that obvious and clear model of how the Knicks' FO operates: A good contract for any incoming players is an absolute must. Kuzma on 23mill. a year (declining) is a good one for a player that is a good allrounder and has no glaring weakness. Sure you'd like him to be a better shooter but he is a solid scorer, defender and playmaker. I do however wonder whether the talks are focused on Avdija since his 15mill. contract is a perfect match salary-wise. If the trade is for Kuzma we'd have to add someone to Mitch as there is a 10mill. gap in contracts....any ideas?

Bogs, Mitch, 2 picks, for Deni, Tyus (ignoring that neither want to be Knicks playing 15 mpg)

If Mitch gets traded and a SF comes back then I do believe there will be solid playing time available. Isaiah and Precious would be the primary Centers while Randle and Kuzma or Avdija or OG would man the 4 (and 3) along with Hart.

One question: Can Bogs contract be combined with another one?

In a way getting Kuzma is also like kicking that can down the road. Next year, they can wait for a star to shake out if there's none this offseason.

[thebuzzardman]

Bogs, Mitch, 2 picks, for Deni, Tyus (ignoring that neither want to be Knicks playing 15 mpg)

If Mitch gets traded and a SF comes back then I do believe there will be solid playing time available. Isaiah and Precious would be the primary Centers while Randle and Kuzma or Avdija or OG would man the 4 (and 3) along with Hart.

One question: Can Bogs contract be combined with another one?

Any trade that we have to aggregate outgoing salaries would hard cap us on the second apron.

So there is no trade that can land the Knicks Bridges or PG...or basically anyone not a role player, correct?

[nyk2017]

Bogs, Mitch, 2 picks, for Deni, Tyus (ignoring that neither want to be Knicks playing 15 mpg)

If Mitch gets traded and a SF comes back then I do believe there will be solid playing time available. Isaiah and Precious would be the primary Centers while Randle and Kuzma or Avdija or OG would man the 4 (and 3) along with Hart.

One question: Can Bogs contract be combined with another one?

In a way getting Kuzma is also like kicking that can down the road. Next year, they can wait for a star to shake out if there's none this offseason.

As we are finding out this year, we can only kick the can down so many times. Eventually, the salary cap becomes a problem and we become a Phoenix type of situation. This is the summer to set the team up for the next 3 years. We have Josh Hart, DDV, Brunson, Randle on reasonable contracts. We are going to have to pay OG $35 million and iHart $18-20 million. Waiting another year means having Brunson and Randle on bigger contracts. At that point, you have to start breaking up the team to get another superstar. This offseason we can get PG, Ingram without giving up the core.

I say, we trade Mitch and 25th pick for Kennard and 9th pick.

Trade Bogdanovic, Kennard, 9th pick and another FRP for Ingram.

Figure out this year if Ingram is a good fit on this team and go from there.

[The KnicksFix]

Nah man, we keep Mitch, who else is gonna D up embiid and Giannis? I say we keep him

[dakomish23]

If Mitch destination is indeed New Orleans, it would be cool for him to go back to his hometown. Make no mistake folks, Mitch is an injury prone player but New Orleans is in dire need of a starting 5. Surely they give us one of their nice 3 and D wing defenders for a starting center.

Option # 1
Herb Jones for Mitch and 1 FRP

Option # 2
Larry Nance, Jose Alvarado and # 21 for Mitch and # 24

Option # 3
Trey Murphy , Jordan Hawkins for Mitch and 1 FRP

For option # 1Why do you have us giving them the pick? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Because Herb Jones is on a nice contract. He is basically a cheaper version of Mikal Bridges
49% FG% | 41% 3pt | 87% FT
1st All-Defense team and 5th DPOY for 2024

If Mitch plays 70+ games, he has a chance to be a DPOY candidate, all-defender... but he has not.

For the Knicks, he would be our insurance if OG goes down again. He can also play the 4 spot if need be. He's always been a starter with NO, so I'm not sure how acceptable for him to come off the bench. After writing this, I would think we would need to give up another pick.

And big wings who can defend and shoot are at a crazy premium.

Thank you for making the comparison. I never thought to compare the two. Makes me want Herb Jones even more. I had him as a target at the deadline when there were fake rumors going around. But giving up Mitch should get us close to the asking price (if not enough by himself, idk how Mitch is viewed by NOP) - especially if they decide to stick with Ingram

Mikal
19.6 PPG 4.5 RPG 3.6 APG 1.0 SPG 0.4 BPG
43.6% on 15.6 FGA
37.2% on 7.2 3PA
81.4% on 3.9 FTA

Herb Jones
11.0 PPG 3.6 RPG 2.6 APG 1.4 SPG 0.8 BPG
49.8% on 7.7 FGA
41.8% on 3.6 3PA
86.7% on 2.1 FTA

[HarthorneWingo]

For option # 1Why do you have us giving them the pick? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Because Herb Jones is on a nice contract. He is basically a cheaper version of Mikal Bridges
49% FG% | 41% 3pt | 87% FT
1st All-Defense team and 5th DPOY for 2024

If Mitch plays 70+ games, he has a chance to be a DPOY candidate, all-defender... but he has not.

For the Knicks, he would be our insurance if OG goes down again. He can also play the 4 spot if need be. He's always been a starter with NO, so I'm not sure how acceptable for him to come off the bench. After writing this, I would think we would need to give up another pick.

And big wings who can defend and shoot are at a crazy premium.

Thank you for making the comparison. I never thought to compare the two. Makes me want Herb Jones even more. I had him as a target at the deadline when there were fake rumors going around. But giving up Mitch should get us close to the asking price (if not enough by himself, idk how Mitch is viewed by NOP) - especially if they decide to stick with Ingram

Mikal
19.6 PPG 4.5 RPG 3.6 APG 1.0 SPG 0.4 BPG
43.6% on 15.6 FGA
37.2% on 7.2 3PA
81.4% on 3.9 FTA

Herb Jones
11.0 PPG 3.6 RPG 2.6 APG 1.4 SPG 0.8 BPG
49.8% on 7.7 FGA
41.8% on 3.6 3PA
86.7% on 2.1 FTA

The difference is in usage and attempts. I would argue that Mikal’s efficiency would go up with us while Herb probably stays the same. Maybe Jones improves but he’s come off the bench whereas Mikal starts.

Obviously Jones comes much cheaper and would be a great fit off the bench

[HopelessKnick]

If Mitch gets traded and a SF comes back then I do believe there will be solid playing time available. Isaiah and Precious would be the primary Centers while Randle and Kuzma or Avdija or OG would man the 4 (and 3) along with Hart.

One question: Can Bogs contract be combined with another one?

Any trade that we have to aggregate outgoing salaries would hard cap us on the second apron.

So there is no trade that can land the Knicks Bridges or PG...or basically anyone not a role player, correct?

Not sure this is correct but this is my understanding: Bogs makes 19million next year. In a trade a 25% difference in salaries is allowed which would gives us a +- 4.75mill. margin in straight up trades. Like you could trade Bogs somewhere for a player making 23.75mill. which basically is the range some star players are at. Not all-star or superstar players but guys like Kuzma (23.5mill.) for example. Interestingly DJM makes 25mill. which means that almost any reasonable trade for him would have to include an aggregation of salaries putting us at the second apron. By virtue of these cap rules you can pretty much exclude the Knicks from any DJM trade for example.....of course this is all assuming I'm understanding things correctly. I originally thought the aggregation thing only applies to the Bogs contract...