Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25

[hugepatsfan]

Last year's regular season minutes per game:

Tatum - 35.7
Brown - 33.5
Holiday - 32.8
White - 32.6
Porzinigs - 29.6
Horford 26.8
Pritchard - 22.3
Hauser - 22.0

That's about 235 minutes per game combined. Even in a world where all 8 of those guys played 82 games at those minutes totals you still have about a 13 minutes per game for someone else to play. And then of course we all know that those guys won't all play 82, so whoever the guy filling that role is will actually get to play more minutes per game. I'd even venture to guess that Holiday/Porzinigs/Horford all see a 1-2 minute per game reduction even.

Let's just say we did sign a guy like Hayward or any other "big name" vet... he'd probably play 20 minutes per game in the regular season when you factor in missed games across the roster. Playoff rotation is a different story, but Pritchard was removed from the rotation by the end of the DAL series because his size limitations are always going to be an issue against teams that have a great iso threat. So it's not like Hayward (or some other vet) couldn't take his 8th man role from him in the playoffs if he earns it.

EDIT: I don't really want Hayward, just using him as an example since he gets brought up a lot.

[phincsfan]

FREE WALSH!!

Walsh may earn most of the minutes Oshae got.
Springer could maybe take what Svi got.
I guess I’d like a 3/4, 4, or 4/5 in FA and/or the draft?

Jrue/White/JB/JT/KP
Pritch/Springer/Hauser/Tillman/Kornet
JD/??/Walsh/??/Queta
fill in one ?? with a vet min guy like Covington or Josh Richardson and the other with a draft pick or other vet min guy - or leave spot 15 blank
Done
—-> of course, you have to resign Luke and Xavier in this scenario, and like JD enough to sign him to the big squad. And Springer gets this one year golden crack at making it — we’ll see if he can establish himself!

Feet to the fire, let them play.

[ConstableGeneva]

Hauser is extension-eligible and the team could offer him a deal that tops out around $78 million over four years. The Celtics also could decline his team option this month, making Hauser a restricted free agent, which might pave the way to match any reasonable offer he receives on the open market.

The danger there is that a rival could make the sort of big-money offer that Boston simply cannot match given its long-term salary commitment.

Hauser’s future is the most prickly of any player in Boston’s top eight. He might simply be too expensive for them after this season. The question is whether the team takes one more low-money year, or attempts to roll the dice a bit in hopes of extending that stay.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/celtics-roster-decisions-nba-free-agency/624144/

[chakdaddy]

Reading an ESPN article on the CBA and apron restrictions - it sounds like the biggest problems are for teams on the cusp who want to add a final piece. Which is good for a defending champion who is happy to stand pat. Biggest issue will be taxes in a few years, but Al and Jrue will be near retirement by then. Could be hard to replace them, making drafting and developing talent important long term - even if those guys can't be aggregated and flipped anymore.

[phincsfan]

Last year's regular season minutes per game:

Tatum - 35.7
Brown - 33.5
Holiday - 32.8
White - 32.6
Porzinigs - 29.6
Horford 26.8
Pritchard - 22.3
Hauser - 22.0

That's about 235 minutes per game combined. Even in a world where all 8 of those guys played 82 games at those minutes totals you still have about a 13 minutes per game for someone else to play. And then of course we all know that those guys won't all play 82, so whoever the guy filling that role is will actually get to play more minutes per game. I'd even venture to guess that Holiday/Porzinigs/Horford all see a 1-2 minute per game reduction even.

Let's just say we did sign a guy like Hayward or any other "big name" vet... he'd probably play 20 minutes per game in the regular season when you factor in missed games across the roster. Playoff rotation is a different story, but Pritchard was removed from the rotation by the end of the DAL series because his size limitations are always going to be an issue against teams that have a great iso threat. So it's not like Hayward (or some other vet) couldn't take his 8th man role from him in the playoffs if he earns it.

EDIT: I don't really want Hayward, just using him as an example since he gets brought up a lot.

I'd like to see Sam and Payton bumped up to 25mpg each and KP bumped down a tad. That 26 mpg was a sweet spot for AL and it showed because he was fresh in the playoffs. But also because no series went more than 5 games.

[ConstableGeneva]

Cs need to luck into drafting a Draymond, a 2nd rounder who escapes everyone in the draft for some reason then becomes starter on a championship team in his 3rd season. Someone like him would replace Horford/Holiday as they age/retire. Porzingis propensity to get injured anytime he falls awkwardly or gets bumped is a concern.

[phincsfan]

Reading an ESPN article on the CBA and apron restrictions - it sounds like the biggest problems are for teams on the cusp who want to add a final piece. Which is good for a defending champion who is happy to stand pat. Biggest issue will be taxes in a few years, but Al and Jrue will be near retirement by then. Could be hard to replace them, making drafting and developing talent important long term - even if those guys can't be aggregated and flipped anymore.

Stevens said he asked Danny each year he was here to get Jrue. And I'm sure he always had his eyes on D White before he made that trade. I'd love to know who he's had his eyes on recently?

Hopefully Stevens and the draft room can find some gems because they'll be drafting in the 20's for the next 4/5 years. There's always going to be misses, but I look at the Warriors and Bob Myers and give them credit for having late 1sts and hitting some extra base hits like Draymond, Looney, Poole, and Jackson-Davis (even though Myers was gone the draft room did a good job finding him at 57). And they gave minutes to Dray, Poole and Jackson-Davis right away.

[Celts17Pride]

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It resulted in a championship, so waiving and stretching DJ turned out to be the right move.

[chakdaddy]

Reading an ESPN article on the CBA and apron restrictions - it sounds like the biggest problems are for teams on the cusp who want to add a final piece. Which is good for a defending champion who is happy to stand pat. Biggest issue will be taxes in a few years, but Al and Jrue will be near retirement by then. Could be hard to replace them, making drafting and developing talent important long term - even if those guys can't be aggregated and flipped anymore.

Stevens said he asked Danny each year he was here to get Jrue. And I'm sure he always had his eyes on D White before he made that trade. I'd love to know who he's had his eyes on recently?

Hopefully Stevens and the draft room can find some gems because they'll be drafting in the 20's for the next 4/5 years. There's always going to be misses, but I look at the Warriors and Bob Myers and give them credit for having late 1sts and hitting some extra base hits like Draymond, Looney, Poole, and Jackson-Davis (even though Myers was gone the draft room did a good job finding him at 57). And they gave minutes to Dray, Poole and Jackson-Davis right away.

I have a lot of confidence in Brad's ability to recognize winning players who fit perfectly. Far more than I did in Danny. I hope he can ID some of these guys at #30 this year and in future years. No need to hit home runs - just singles and doubles with role players.

[phincsfan]

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And to think, everybody thought Trae was supposed to be that guy. Now, he just may be a Pelican.

[Fierce1]

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And to think, everybody thought Trae was supposed to be that guy. Now, he just may be a Pelican.

Trae is just too small to be "that guy".

[phincsfan]

Reading an ESPN article on the CBA and apron restrictions - it sounds like the biggest problems are for teams on the cusp who want to add a final piece. Which is good for a defending champion who is happy to stand pat. Biggest issue will be taxes in a few years, but Al and Jrue will be near retirement by then. Could be hard to replace them, making drafting and developing talent important long term - even if those guys can't be aggregated and flipped anymore.

Stevens said he asked Danny each year he was here to get Jrue. And I'm sure he always had his eyes on D White before he made that trade. I'd love to know who he's had his eyes on recently?

Hopefully Stevens and the draft room can find some gems because they'll be drafting in the 20's for the next 4/5 years. There's always going to be misses, but I look at the Warriors and Bob Myers and give them credit for having late 1sts and hitting some extra base hits like Draymond, Looney, Poole, and Jackson-Davis (even though Myers was gone the draft room did a good job finding him at 57). And they gave minutes to Dray, Poole and Jackson-Davis right away.

I have a lot of confidence in Brad's ability to recognize winning players who fit perfectly. Far more than I did in Danny. I hope he can ID some of these guys at #30 this year and in future years. No need to hit home runs - just singles and doubles with role players.

That's the luxury of having two young thoroughbreds who can carry the team for the next 5 years.

I hear and read people say the Warriors are finished and are heading into the inevitable rebuild. , 4 championships is a nice way to go into a rebuild.

[brackdan70]

Last year's regular season minutes per game:

Tatum - 35.7
Brown - 33.5
Holiday - 32.8
White - 32.6
Porzinigs - 29.6
Horford 26.8
Pritchard - 22.3
Hauser - 22.0

That's about 235 minutes per game combined. Even in a world where all 8 of those guys played 82 games at those minutes totals you still have about a 13 minutes per game for someone else to play. And then of course we all know that those guys won't all play 82, so whoever the guy filling that role is will actually get to play more minutes per game. I'd even venture to guess that Holiday/Porzinigs/Horford all see a 1-2 minute per game reduction even.

Let's just say we did sign a guy like Hayward or any other "big name" vet... he'd probably play 20 minutes per game in the regular season when you factor in missed games across the roster. Playoff rotation is a different story, but Pritchard was removed from the rotation by the end of the DAL series because his size limitations are always going to be an issue against teams that have a great iso threat. So it's not like Hayward (or some other vet) couldn't take his 8th man role from him in the playoffs if he earns it.

EDIT: I don't really want Hayward, just using him as an example since he gets brought up a lot.

I personally like those minutes going to Tillman, Walsh, Springer or maybe pick 30 depending on his readiness

[phincsfan]

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And to think, everybody thought Trae was supposed to be that guy. Now, he just may be a Pelican.

Trae is just too small to be "that guy".

100%

Funny to think his net worth will always be more than JT or JB because of that Rogaine deal. When its all said and done he may be close to 700mil when he retires. He definitely has 1 more big contract left.

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Would have liked Dunn in Boston. I'll settle for Eric Gordon for on the vet min.

[Fierce1]

Looks like Cs were really moving on from Marcus Smart.

So even though it initially appeared that the Celtics would have acquired Porzingis without giving up Smart, he was going to be dealt anyway. If those two original deals had happened as Boston planned, there would have been no realistic way for the Celtics to acquire Jrue Holiday once he unexpectedly became available later in the summer. The Celtics would have ended up with KP and Jones instead. Maybe the Celtics would have ended up winning the title anyway without Holiday. We’ll never know. But these failed and completed trades serve as a prime example that sometimes plan A isn’t always for the best. Building a championship roster is both an art and a science, and a lot of good fortune is involved, too. 3 mins ago – via The Ringer
https://hoopshype.com/team/boston-celtics/

[fallguy]

Hauser is extension-eligible and the team could offer him a deal that tops out around $78 million over four years. The Celtics also could decline his team option this month, making Hauser a restricted free agent, which might pave the way to match any reasonable offer he receives on the open market.

The danger there is that a rival could make the sort of big-money offer that Boston simply cannot match given its long-term salary commitment.

Hauser’s future is the most prickly of any player in Boston’s top eight. He might simply be too expensive for them after this season. The question is whether the team takes one more low-money year, or attempts to roll the dice a bit in hopes of extending that stay.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/celtics-roster-decisions-nba-free-agency/624144/

Seems like he's going to get at least $12-15M per. So probably one more year and he's gone.

[165bows]

Cs need to luck into drafting a Draymond, a 2nd rounder who escapes everyone in the draft for some reason then becomes starter on a championship team in his 3rd season. Someone like him would replace Horford/Holiday as they age/retire. Porzingis propensity to get injured anytime he falls awkwardly or gets bumped is a concern.

Imo it is a good formula - prerequisites are size, defensive ability and versatility, rebounding, decent ball-handling/passing, and some basic skill at finishing at the rim and from three.

That's why I lean pretty strongly towards Enrique Freeman, seems like he's got the best shot at developing those plus he has good athleticism.

A lot of teams need guys that can create offense but Boston has the luxury of not needing that. So imo they can take advantage of that situation to pursue a really solid role guy.