Final word on the strength of this draft class

[PlatinumState]

Tier 4.

[EmpireFalls]

Tier 6 for me.

The lack of quality at the top is just a huge deal for me. This will contain good players, and in particular some unique profiles that could be high upside, but I just can't go higher than 'Bad' when I see complete non shooting, mediocre athlete guards being mocked so high. Risacher the 3&D star and likely #1 pick isn't even that good of a shooter and shows almost no game off the bounce.

I just can't go higher than 6. I wish I could.

[Dat2U]

Tier 7

This draft is missing approximately at least half of its lottery picks. I got 22 guys with a 1st round grade. I got another 30 with a 2nd rd grade so not even 60 draftable players.

[EvanZ]

I can't believe Risacher is the #1 pick in a Draft. Seems to me like Anthony Bennett level of bust potential. If I'm the Hawks I just take Sarr. I don't care if his agent doesn't want him to be in Atlanta, he'd be a great PNR partner for Trae and it looks like he might actually be able to shoot. Trae, Jalen Johnson and Sarr could be a real thing.

[joshuacf]

Worst draft class in my lifetime

[FarBeyondDriven]

I can't believe Risacher is the #1 pick in a Draft. Seems to me like Anthony Bennett level of bust potential. If I'm the Hawks I just take Sarr. I don't care if his agent doesn't want him to be in Atlanta, he'd be a great PNR partner for Trae and it looks like he might actually be able to shoot. Trae, Jalen Johnson and Sarr could be a real thing.

so what Tier are you putting this class in?

[EvanZ]

I can't believe Risacher is the #1 pick in a Draft. Seems to me like Anthony Bennett level of bust potential. If I'm the Hawks I just take Sarr. I don't care if his agent doesn't want him to be in Atlanta, he'd be a great PNR partner for Trae and it looks like he might actually be able to shoot. Trae, Jalen Johnson and Sarr could be a real thing.

so what Tier are you putting this class in?

7 or 8

[MrTribbiani]

I think it's stronger than a lot of people are willing to admit.

[bucknut]

I think it's stronger than a lot of people are willing to admit.

I feel like the depth is insane. It has a shot to be better then good. Very good if some of the lottery guys hit

[Colbinii]

Worst draft class in my lifetime

Are you 3?

[joshuacf]

Worst draft class in my lifetime

Are you 3?

LMAO if you think 2020 was worse than this.

[Colbinii]

Worst draft class in my lifetime

Are you 3?

LMAO if you think 2020 was worse than this.

I think they were comparable pre-draft

[joshuacf]

Are you 3?

LMAO if you think 2020 was worse than this.

I think they were comparable pre-draft

How? Edwards would be a stone-cold mortal lock to go #1, and Wiseman and Ball very likely go #1 as well.

[Colbinii]

LMAO if you think 2020 was worse than this.

I think they were comparable pre-draft

How? Edwards would be a stone-cold mortal lock to go #1, and Wiseman and Ball very likely go #1 as well.

Yeah, maybe, but this draft has a lot more depth for me. I was also a bit lower on the ceilings of Edwards/Ball.

[One_and_Done]

I continue to be baffled by Castle being mocked 4. They get he can't shoot right? He would be such an un-Spursy pick. I can't imagine they're that dumb.

[joshuacf]

I think they were comparable pre-draft

How? Edwards would be a stone-cold mortal lock to go #1, and Wiseman and Ball very likely go #1 as well.

Yeah, maybe, but this draft has a lot more depth for me. I was also a bit lower on the ceilings of Edwards/Ball.

Sure, but draft class strength is primarly judged on starpower, not depth towards the later picks. Nobody thinks 2012 is a better draft class than 2003 or 1984 because Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, and Jae Crowder came out of the 2nd round in 2012.

2020 had a franchise-changing caliber talent in Edwards. 2024 is the first draft in 10 years where zero players projected as perennial All-Stars. If you want to say 2013 and 2024 are equally weak, I am happy to agree to that.

[Colbinii]

How? Edwards would be a stone-cold mortal lock to go #1, and Wiseman and Ball very likely go #1 as well.

Yeah, maybe, but this draft has a lot more depth for me. I was also a bit lower on the ceilings of Edwards/Ball.

Sure, but draft class strength is primarly judged on starpower, not depth towards the later picks. Nobody thinks 2012 is a better draft class than 2003 or 1984 because Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, and Jae Crowder came out of the 2nd round in 2012.

2020 had a franchise-changing caliber talent in Edwards. 2024 is the first draft in 10 years where zero players projected as perennial All-Stars. If you want to say 2013 and 2024 are equally weak, I am happy to agree to that.

We are talking about 2 different things here.

I am talking about comparing draft PROSPECTS before the draft. You are talking about comparing how the drafts played out.

I didn't have ANT or LaMelo in the "Franchise altering cornerstones" tier of prospect, and only one of them is regardless.

[joshuacf]

Yeah, maybe, but this draft has a lot more depth for me. I was also a bit lower on the ceilings of Edwards/Ball.

Sure, but draft class strength is primarly judged on starpower, not depth towards the later picks. Nobody thinks 2012 is a better draft class than 2003 or 1984 because Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, and Jae Crowder came out of the 2nd round in 2012.

2020 had a franchise-changing caliber talent in Edwards. 2024 is the first draft in 10 years where zero players projected as perennial All-Stars. If you want to say 2013 and 2024 are equally weak, I am happy to agree to that.

We are talking about 2 different things here.

I am talking about comparing draft PROSPECTS before the draft. You are talking about comparing how the drafts played out.

I didn't have ANT or LaMelo in the "Franchise altering cornerstones" tier of prospect, and only one of them is regardless.

Dude, I know what we are comparing.

My point about 2012 vs 1984/2003 was simply to illustrate that when judging how strong or weak a draft is, the primary consideration is superstars, not overall depth of the draft class.

Then, extrapolating that logic of the primary consideration for draft class strength being superstars when comparing draft PROSPECTS in 2020 vs 2024, it's clear that 2020 is better than 2024. If you didn't think Edwards was a "Franchise altering cornerstone", fine, but he at least projected as a multi-time all star even by the most conservative predictions. Meanwhile Sarr has a limited history of production and is nowhere not close to as NBA-ready as Edwards was and Risacher projects as a 3&D wing.

[bigboi]

You have a guy averaging like 13 points on low 3 point shooting percentage. This draft looks all time bad. Could see Sarr being interesting next to Wemby tho

[DOT]

I feel like 2013 is the apt comparison

No true superstar at the top, best players are gonna be taken in the mid-late 1st, and a bunch of guys are gonna end up sticking around for a solid 8-10 years

Big difference is probably no Giannis level superstar emerges from the middle of the 1st, but you never know, nobody thought 2013 was gonna have a Giannis level player either

But I guess that depends on how exactly you define a class as being bad though, cause 2000 is probably the standard of a bad class, only 3 All Stars each with only 1 appearance, meanwhile 2013 only had 3 All Stars but you have a 2x MVP (and 1x DPOY) and a 4x DPOY player in there

Basically, this is a bad year to have the #1 overall pick.