Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[SirChurros]

MKE: Eason, Brooks, #3 (Clingan or Risacher)
HOU: Khris

I'm not a trade Midds guy, but if we did feel like we needed to do it something like this could work. It gets us out of the 2nd apron and opens us up to trade any combination of Brook, Bobby, Pat, Marjon, #23, #33, and our far out future 1st.

Do you think this move makes us better this season? Or what’s the follow up move?

I just don’t understand the logic for some of the proposed Midds trades. Almost none of them are moves that put us in a better position to win a title this year.

"opens us up to trade any combination of Brook, Bobby, Pat, Marjon, #23, #33, and our far out future 1st" --- Do something with these as follow up moves.

Any ideas? I need examples to get excited.

Because dumping Khris for Eason, Brooks and the #3 pick in arguably the worst draft in years isn’t exactly a great return.

[bdpecore]

Yeah the passing ability Is a major overlooked thing about trading Midds. He’s not just a spot up shooter on offense. He’s a guy you can give the ball to for creation purposes, even if it often looks slow/ugly.

I still maintain that keeping the offensive trio together is the way to go. Trade Lopez.

Khris has tunnel vision and it causes turnovers and puts Giannis jumping over guys in awkward positions. I would much rather him be a catch and shoot.

1. Having to go through Boston is the only way to win a ring right now.
2. You want KM to start and play 33+ min to beat them.
3. I don't believe that's possible
4. You do
5. Crazy premise to bet that? Ok fine $2

37 yr old Al Horford averaged 30.3mpg in the playoffs. Not sure why Khris wouldn't be able to play 33mpg when he averaged 38.3mpg in the Pacers series and was by far the Bucks best player in the series.

Underrated post. IF Km could bulk up and play the 4 next to Giannis I'm back IN. I think he's allergic to weights though.

That's not how addition by subtraction works. If he moved to the moon tomorrow and we could use 1/3 of his salary on 3 and D hustlers that cut and set screens we're better.

So you think Milwaukee and sign three younger 3&D players for less than $11MM? Can you please provide me with some examples of players you think will sign for $3/4MM per who can solid contributors in a championship caliber playoff rotation?

I didn't say three. Also it was just illustrating a point that I want a different brand of basketball.. lob city.. km is more like retirement village and has been limping for 8 years somehow.

STARTED ... the post said STARTED and you gave different stats... wonder why

Are you suggesting we trade away Middleton for lesser 3&D wings just so we can resign Pat Beverley to be our starting SG next season?

If we got 2 way players that are disruptive it's not a downgrade to me. I hope both can come in and start and I'd love to have Bev off the bench but that's unlikely

1. Are you crazy? Khris is easily our best passer and has great court awareness and vision. Now I know your just making st*t up.

2. You still have yet to provide any trade packages or even available free agent targets who fit your suggestion. We can talk hypotheticals till we're blue in the face but the only thing that really matters are realistic options which align with the current CBA rules. Please provide specific examples if you want to continue this discussion.

[midranger]

Guys, why are you responding to this dude?

[midranger]

Also, I can’t completely discount the notion that Mids for Eason, Brooks, and #3 “could” make us better next year.

It would make us a VERY different team, but if Eason has any third year jump in him, it may make us better overall.

[SirChurros]

If I’m trading Khris, I need at least one proven commodity in return. Not a guy who MIGHT blossom and Dillon **** Brooks.

[fansinceforever]

I'd rather toss in Marjon and bring back Whitmore than get the third pick from Houston. Whitmore's 19 and already a pretty good player.

[emunney]

If you really want value, you should not want a proven commodity. You should want guys you believe will show more than they've shown. You've got to trust your own evaluations, that's the whole game.

[-Jragon-]

Yeah the passing ability Is a major overlooked thing about trading Midds. He’s not just a spot up shooter on offense. He’s a guy you can give the ball to for creation purposes, even if it often looks slow/ugly.

I still maintain that keeping the offensive trio together is the way to go. Trade Lopez.

Khris has tunnel vision and it causes turnovers and puts Giannis jumping over guys in awkward positions. I would much rather him be a catch and shoot.

37 yr old Al Horford averaged 30.3mpg in the playoffs. Not sure why Khris wouldn't be able to play 33mpg when he averaged 38.3mpg in the Pacers series and was by far the Bucks best player in the series.

Underrated post. IF Km could bulk up and play the 4 next to Giannis I'm back IN. I think he's allergic to weights though.

So you think Milwaukee and sign three younger 3&D players for less than $11MM? Can you please provide me with some examples of players you think will sign for $3/4MM per who can solid contributors in a championship caliber playoff rotation?

I didn't say three. Also it was just illustrating a point that I want a different brand of basketball.. lob city.. km is more like retirement village and has been limping for 8 years somehow.

Are you suggesting we trade away Middleton for lesser 3&D wings just so we can resign Pat Beverley to be our starting SG next season?

If we got 2 way players that are disruptive it's not a downgrade to me. I hope both can come in and start and I'd love to have Bev off the bench but that's unlikely

1. Are you crazy? Khris is easily our best passer and has great court awareness and vision. Now I know your just making st*t up.

2. You still have yet to provide any trade packages or even available free agent targets who fit your suggestion. We can talk hypotheticals till we're blue in the face but the only thing that really matters are realistic options which align with the current CBA rules. Please provide specific examples if you want to continue this discussion.

Tunnel vision is locking in on one guy you want to pass to and he does do that.

Also I said many times I don't watch other teams enough to know if their players will help us or if they are just more trash that will rot on our bench. I was excited when Crowder came and that turned out to be trash. I don't have a full nba channel package so I just don't know and will overvalue some.scrub that has a good game vs us.

[SirChurros]

If you really want value, you should not want a proven commodity. You should want guys you believe will show more than they've shown. You've got to trust your own evaluations, that's the whole game.

Not when you’re trying to compete for a championship. I’m not rolling the dice on Tari Eason developing into anything more than he currently is.

Maybe you all think Giannis/Dame is enough to win a title, but it takes three as far as I’m concerned.

[bdpecore]

Khris has tunnel vision and it causes turnovers and puts Giannis jumping over guys in awkward positions. I would much rather him be a catch and shoot.

Underrated post. IF Km could bulk up and play the 4 next to Giannis I'm back IN. I think he's allergic to weights though.




I didn't say three. Also it was just illustrating a point that I want a different brand of basketball.. lob city.. km is more like retirement village and has been limping for 8 years somehow.



If we got 2 way players that are disruptive it's not a downgrade to me. I hope both can come in and start and I'd love to have Bev off the bench but that's unlikely

1. Are you crazy? Khris is easily our best passer and has great court awareness and vision. Now I know your just making st*t up.

2. You still have yet to provide any trade packages or even available free agent targets who fit your suggestion. We can talk hypotheticals till we're blue in the face but the only thing that really matters are realistic options which align with the current CBA rules. Please provide specific examples if you want to continue this discussion.

Tunnel vision is locking in on one guy you want to pass to and he does do that.

Also I said many times I don't watch other teams enough to know if their players will help us or if they are just more trash that will rot on our bench. I was excited when Crowder came and that turned out to be trash. I don't have a full nba channel package so I just don't know and will overvalue some.scrub that has a good game vs us.

Then we really don't have anything else to discuss since you have zero knowledge of players not on the Bucks and clearly cannot evaluate based on the eye test. Good day sir.

[-Jragon-]

Yeah the passing ability Is a major overlooked thing about trading Midds. He’s not just a spot up shooter on offense. He’s a guy you can give the ball to for creation purposes, even if it often looks slow/ugly.

I still maintain that keeping the offensive trio together is the way to go. Trade Lopez.

Khris has tunnel vision and it causes turnovers and puts Giannis jumping over guys in awkward positions.

See, it's stuff like this that makes everyone on this board question if you've ever watched Khris Middleton play basketball. Funny that even after getting Dame, Khris is still probably our best lob-passer.

Giannis often gets undercut on those "lobs" as they aren't led to space but for him to out jump someone. He's not 20 anymore; those are dangerous passes. This isn't a video game. Please Horst trade KM

[midranger]

If you really want value, you should not want a proven commodity. You should want guys you believe will show more than they've shown. You've got to trust your own evaluations, that's the whole game.

This is the whole game.

Sell high. Buy low.

[raferfenix]

Bucks went against the grain going all out for Jrue before trading this many picks was remotely as much of a thing.

I wouldn’t discount the possibility for Horst to be creative and trail blaze some new look rather than follow what the rest of the league is doing.

Giannis is a freak. Our championship team was full of dogs that beat up the competition at a time when many were still operating in the Warriors-style small ball era.

I don’t think we just try to copy all these other teams in a heated bidding war for wings.

[emunney]

If you really want value, you should not want a proven commodity. You should want guys you believe will show more than they've shown. You've got to trust your own evaluations, that's the whole game.

Not when you’re trying to compete for a championship. I’m not rolling the dice on Tari Eason developing into anything more than he currently is.

Maybe you all think Giannis/Dame is enough to win a title, but it takes three as far as I’m concerned.

You're not rolling the dice, you're trusting your work. This isn't craps, it's a competitive sport.

[bdpecore]

Khris has tunnel vision and it causes turnovers and puts Giannis jumping over guys in awkward positions.

See, it's stuff like this that makes everyone on this board question if you've ever watched Khris Middleton play basketball. Funny that even after getting Dame, Khris is still probably our best lob-passer.

Giannis often gets undercut on those "lobs" as they aren't led to space but for him to out jump someone. He's not 20 anymore; those are dangerous passes. This isn't a video game. Please Horst trade KM

Yet, you just said the Bucks need to switch over to a "lob city" offensive scheme.

I didn't say three. Also it was just illustrating a point that I want a different brand of basketball.. lob city.. km is more like retirement village and has been limping for 8 years somehow.

[SirChurros]

If you really want value, you should not want a proven commodity. You should want guys you believe will show more than they've shown. You've got to trust your own evaluations, that's the whole game.

Not when you’re trying to compete for a championship. I’m not rolling the dice on Tari Eason developing into anything more than he currently is.

Maybe you all think Giannis/Dame is enough to win a title, but it takes three as far as I’m concerned.

You're not rolling the dice, you're trusting your work. This isn't craps, it's a competitive sport.

There’s nothing about Tari Eason that says he’s anything more than a role player. So yeah, I’d say trading a bonafide 3 for him is rolling the dice.

[SirChurros]

Let’s trade Dame to Atlanta and take Sheppard while we’re at it.

[paulpressey25]

If you really want value, you should not want a proven commodity. You should want guys you believe will show more than they've shown. You've got to trust your own evaluations, that's the whole game.

This is the whole game.

Sell high. Buy low.

We might have a sell high player on our roster.

My only reservation on that Houston deal is I don’t want Dillon Brooks on the roster.

[MKE_Beers]

Do you think this move makes us better this season? Or what’s the follow up move?

I just don’t understand the logic for some of the proposed Midds trades. Almost none of them are moves that put us in a better position to win a title this year.

"opens us up to trade any combination of Brook, Bobby, Pat, Marjon, #23, #33, and our far out future 1st" --- Do something with these as follow up moves.

Any ideas? I need examples to get excited.

Because dumping Khris for Eason, Brooks and the #3 pick in arguably the worst draft in years isn’t exactly a great return.

They could work to get another pick from Hou. Can you get Podz and Moody for Bobby from GSW if they can duck the 2nd apron? Wiggins for brook? Bobby and Pat for Wiggins? Pat and 23 for Ayo? Bobby for Vezenkoz/Mitchell and 13? Brook and 23 for Smart?
Maybe take a big swing and send a combination of Bobby, Brook, and Pat along with #23 and #33 for PG/Butler/DMurray or another star?

I'm not on the trade Khris bandwagon but if the Bucks were, something where we can get younger and is good long term and maybe not get better but at least stay the same in the short term

[midranger]

If you really want value, you should not want a proven commodity. You should want guys you believe will show more than they've shown. You've got to trust your own evaluations, that's the whole game.

This is the whole game.

Sell high. Buy low.

We might have a sell high player on our roster.

My only reservation on that Houston deal is I don’t want Dillon Brooks on the roster.

Wonder if Clippers would want him for Norm Powell or something