IQ contract

[Ghetto Gospel]

are the knicks trying to get hard capped into the 1st apron to avoid 2nd apron penalties or are they navigating their way into the 2nd apron?

As of right now, they are trying to stay below the 1st apron until they know for sure what iHart is doing.

After that, they are going to complete transactions that will put them in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one.

assuming ihart comes back, are we trying to stay in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one because dolan is cheap or because the 2nd apron penalties are too powerful?

[Luv those Knicks]

are the knicks trying to get hard capped into the 1st apron to avoid 2nd apron penalties or are they navigating their way into the 2nd apron?

As of right now, they are trying to stay below the 1st apron until they know for sure what iHart is doing.

After that, they are going to complete transactions that will put them in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one.

assuming ihart comes back, are we trying to stay in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one because dolan is cheap or because the 2nd apron penalties are too powerful?

The 2nd one. The 2nd apron restrictions are quite restrictive. Dolan has been a bad owner in many ways, but he's mostly been willing to spend.

[dakomish23]

NBA cap is rising by 10% the next few years. Same scenario with OG. The raises are less than the cap rising.

Stop letting the sticker price shock you. Look at what the NBA is making. It's contingent on that.

[Richard4444]

I'm waiting for somebody to tell me I'm wrong. It's 21% of the salary cap, which maybe falls to 20% next year, 19% in 3 years, etc. Raptors are rebuilding, they have 3 expensive players going forward, Quick, RJ & Scottie Barnes. It's not a bad key-3, but I don't think it's great. On the plus side, they're 22, 23 and 25, so it's a young trio.

Could they have done better in free agency? Quick shot 39% from 3 last year. Where does he rank among NBA PGs? 12? 15? Anyone?

Outside the Top18: Doncic, Shai, Curry, Brunson, Haliburton, Morant, Irving, Fox, Jrue, Jamal, Trae, Maxey, Garland, LaMello, Harden, Derrick White, Fred VanVleet, Dejounte Murray,

He competes with Conley, Coby White, Ant Simons, Cade, Giddey, Brogdon, and Suggs a place in the Top 20.

[Richard4444]

are the knicks trying to get hard capped into the 1st apron to avoid 2nd apron penalties or are they navigating their way into the 2nd apron?

As of right now, they are trying to stay below the 1st apron until they know for sure what iHart is doing.

After that, they are going to complete transactions that will put them in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one.

assuming ihart comes back, are we trying to stay in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one because dolan is cheap or because the 2nd apron penalties are too powerful?

We will suffer a penalty of not being able to surpass the second apron for attaching contracts in the Mikal trade to avoid suffering another penalty of not being able to surpass the first apron for giving more money than receiving in this trade

[Ghetto Gospel]

As of right now, they are trying to stay below the 1st apron until they know for sure what iHart is doing.

After that, they are going to complete transactions that will put them in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one.

assuming ihart comes back, are we trying to stay in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one because dolan is cheap or because the 2nd apron penalties are too powerful?

We will suffer a penalty of not being able to surpass the second apron for attaching contracts in the Mikal trade to avoid suffering another penalty of not being able to surpass the first apron for giving more money than receiving in this trade

no idea what this means but as long it has nothing to do with restricting the team because dolan is cheap, we're good over here

[NYKat]

Unrelated but it seems like having people in the front office who can navigate the loopholes of the cba and cap math is just as important as understanding basketball, maybe even more important. That’s always probably been the case to some degree but now moreso than ever. I was amazed to see our team making so many moves in that draft, they’re really seem to be working overtime and thinking years into the future, not just Leon taking a nap

Aka Brock Aller = da real MVP

[gavran]

IQ is not overpayed, it's just that you are in the wrong profession.

[Luv those Knicks]

assuming ihart comes back, are we trying to stay in the 1st apron but below the 2nd one because dolan is cheap or because the 2nd apron penalties are too powerful?

We will suffer a penalty of not being able to surpass the second apron for attaching contracts in the Mikal trade to avoid suffering another penalty of not being able to surpass the first apron for giving more money than receiving in this trade

no idea what this means but as long it has nothing to do with restricting the team because dolan is cheap, we're good over here

The Apron stuff is confusing.

As I understand it, going over the 2nd Apron would make the Bridges trade unworkable, because Bridges makes more than Bogs did. Does it matter the order in which they do the moves? Maybe, since they have rights to extend I-Hart.

The Bridges trade might not have been announced yet, so they may still be working out some final details, but as I understand it, doing the Bridges trade locks them out of the 2nd Apron, they can only offer I-Hart as much money as they have under the Apron (currently 14 million, but maybe they make a move and get it to 16 . . . again, I'm not crystal clear on this stuff).

They might go into the 2nd Apron when they resign Brunson and Randle, or maybe, they move on from Randle, or maybe they trade Mitch to create a bit more room. And a year after that they might want to extend Bridges, so they're coming up against the ceiling.

Would it be the end of the world if they go over the 2nd Apron? With enough good players under long term deals, it might not be unmanageable, but it would be limiting in who they could add. Vet minimum contracts only and restrictions on trades and no waived players.

So, under the 2nd Apron is better, but over might be OK if they have a good enough core.

[Ghetto Gospel]

We will suffer a penalty of not being able to surpass the second apron for attaching contracts in the Mikal trade to avoid suffering another penalty of not being able to surpass the first apron for giving more money than receiving in this trade

no idea what this means but as long it has nothing to do with restricting the team because dolan is cheap, we're good over here

The Apron stuff is confusing.

As I understand it, going over the 2nd Apron would make the Bridges trade unworkable, because Bridges makes more than Bogs did. Does it matter the order in which they do the moves? Maybe, since they have rights to extend I-Hart.

The Bridges trade might not have been announced yet, so they may still be working out some final details, but as I understand it, doing the Bridges trade locks them out of the 2nd Apron, they can only offer I-Hart as much money as they have under the Apron (currently 14 million, but maybe they make a move and get it to 16 . . . again, I'm not crystal clear on this stuff).

They might go into the 2nd Apron when they resign Brunson and Randle, or maybe, they move on from Randle, or maybe they trade Mitch to create a bit more room. And a year after that they might want to extend Bridges, so they're coming up against the ceiling.

Would it be the end of the world if they go over the 2nd Apron? With enough good players under long term deals, it might not be unmanageable, but it would be limiting in who they could add. Vet minimum contracts only and restrictions on trades and no waived players.

So, under the 2nd Apron is better, but over might be OK if they have a good enough core.

yeah, i figured we'd just lock into the villanova guys + og + randle + ihart then use picks and vet mins to plug everything else out.

just looking at it, 2nd apron doesn't seem too bad as long as you're willing to commit to your core and it really feels like we could just commit to these guys for the next 5 years or so. they're all around the same age and on the same timeline

[Richard4444]

We will suffer a penalty of not being able to surpass the second apron for attaching contracts in the Mikal trade to avoid suffering another penalty of not being able to surpass the first apron for giving more money than receiving in this trade

no idea what this means but as long it has nothing to do with restricting the team because dolan is cheap, we're good over here

The Apron stuff is confusing.

As I understand it, going over the 2nd Apron would make the Bridges trade unworkable, because Bridges makes more than Bogs did. Does it matter the order in which they do the moves? Maybe, since they have rights to extend I-Hart.

The Bridges trade might not have been announced yet, so they may still be working out some final details, but as I understand it, doing the Bridges trade locks them out of the 2nd Apron, they can only offer I-Hart as much money as they have under the Apron (currently 14 million, but maybe they make a move and get it to 16 . . . again, I'm not crystal clear on this stuff).

They might go into the 2nd Apron when they resign Brunson and Randle, or maybe, they move on from Randle, or maybe they trade Mitch to create a bit more room. And a year after that they might want to extend Bridges, so they're coming up against the ceiling.

Would it be the end of the world if they go over the 2nd Apron? With enough good players under long term deals, it might not be unmanageable, but it would be limiting in who they could add. Vet minimum contracts only and restrictions on trades and no waived players.

So, under the 2nd Apron is better, but over might be OK if they have a good enough core.

The new cba has created some penalties to make the rich teams spend less money.

Action1 - getting more salary than receive in a trade. Punishment: cant spend more than the first apron.

Action 2 - sending 2 or more players in a trade.
Punishment - cant spend more than the second apron.

[Luv those Knicks]

The new cba has created some penalties to make the rich teams spend less money.

Action1 - getting more salary than receive in a trade. Punishment: cant spend more than the first apron.

Action 2 - sending 2 or more players in a trade.
Punishment - cant spend more than the second apron.

They want to prevent rich teams from adding good players with bad contracts. For example, the Knicks trade Randle for Scotty Barnes when Randle is expiring. As an example.

But they're OK with rich teams resigning their own players. I think it's an honest attempt to create a system where teams can keep their players, but buying a championship is harder (it's never been easy to buy a championship in the NBA, though scoring in free agency by signing Shaq or LeBron can bring a few titles.

[Richard4444]

The new cba has created some penalties to make the rich teams spend less money.

Action1 - getting more salary than receive in a trade. Punishment: cant spend more than the first apron.

Action 2 - sending 2 or more players in a trade.
Punishment - cant spend more than the second apron.

They want to prevent rich teams from adding good players with bad contracts. For example, the Knicks trade Randle for Scotty Barnes when Randle is expiring. As an example.

But they're OK with rich teams resigning their own players. I think it's an honest attempt to create a system where teams can keep their players, but buying a championship is harder (it's never been easy to buy a championship in the NBA, though scoring in free agency by signing Shaq or LeBron can bring a few titles.

They want to keep the balance of the league. They do not want to exclude small market clubs from the contention. They are limiting the spending without creating a common hard cap (players do not want it).

[Capn'O]

Unrelated but it seems like having people in the front office who can navigate the loopholes of the cba and cap math is just as important as understanding basketball, maybe even more important. That’s always probably been the case to some degree but now moreso than ever. I was amazed to see our team making so many moves in that draft, they’re really seem to be working overtime and thinking years into the future, not just Leon taking a nap

I honestly don't even pay nearly as much attention to our cap space and who we're capable of getting anymore. The front office finally has it covered. Not that my concern ever got us anywhere.

[JayTWill]

no idea what this means but as long it has nothing to do with restricting the team because dolan is cheap, we're good over here

The Apron stuff is confusing.

As I understand it, going over the 2nd Apron would make the Bridges trade unworkable, because Bridges makes more than Bogs did. Does it matter the order in which they do the moves? Maybe, since they have rights to extend I-Hart.

The Bridges trade might not have been announced yet, so they may still be working out some final details, but as I understand it, doing the Bridges trade locks them out of the 2nd Apron, they can only offer I-Hart as much money as they have under the Apron (currently 14 million, but maybe they make a move and get it to 16 . . . again, I'm not crystal clear on this stuff).

They might go into the 2nd Apron when they resign Brunson and Randle, or maybe, they move on from Randle, or maybe they trade Mitch to create a bit more room. And a year after that they might want to extend Bridges, so they're coming up against the ceiling.

Would it be the end of the world if they go over the 2nd Apron? With enough good players under long term deals, it might not be unmanageable, but it would be limiting in who they could add. Vet minimum contracts only and restrictions on trades and no waived players.

So, under the 2nd Apron is better, but over might be OK if they have a good enough core.

The new cba has created some penalties to make the rich teams spend less money.

Action1 - getting more salary than receive in a trade. Punishment: cant spend more than the first apron.

Action 2 - sending 2 or more players in a trade.
Punishment - cant spend more than the second apron.

I'm assuming that is part of the hold up in the official announcement in the Mikal trade. For example if Duece was added to the trade, not that I want him to be, it would free the Knicks up to spend all the way up to the 2nd apron and give iHart the max 16+ million offer?

Is there any combination of Sims, Jeffries or Diakite that could be used to close the gap between Bridges and Bogey salary? I heard that multiple minimum salary players can't be aggregated to complete the trade but I wasn't even sure if Sims was a minimum salary player or if he along with a minimum salary player would be enough to close the gap.

Where are the Knicks currently in relation to the first and second apron? Sorry for all the questions.

[K_ick_God]

So, 5 years 175. Wow. That should start at about 30 million with 8% raises.

I feel bad for Raptor fans and I'm glad we traded him. Am I wrong?

[K_ick_God]

Now let’s see how much Maxey signs for…

These feel like the 2016 cap spike contracts. At a certain point, nobody will have any money under the aprons, let alone cap.

lol

[Richard4444]

The Apron stuff is confusing.

As I understand it, going over the 2nd Apron would make the Bridges trade unworkable, because Bridges makes more than Bogs did. Does it matter the order in which they do the moves? Maybe, since they have rights to extend I-Hart.

The Bridges trade might not have been announced yet, so they may still be working out some final details, but as I understand it, doing the Bridges trade locks them out of the 2nd Apron, they can only offer I-Hart as much money as they have under the Apron (currently 14 million, but maybe they make a move and get it to 16 . . . again, I'm not crystal clear on this stuff).

They might go into the 2nd Apron when they resign Brunson and Randle, or maybe, they move on from Randle, or maybe they trade Mitch to create a bit more room. And a year after that they might want to extend Bridges, so they're coming up against the ceiling.

Would it be the end of the world if they go over the 2nd Apron? With enough good players under long term deals, it might not be unmanageable, but it would be limiting in who they could add. Vet minimum contracts only and restrictions on trades and no waived players.

So, under the 2nd Apron is better, but over might be OK if they have a good enough core.

The new cba has created some penalties to make the rich teams spend less money.

Action1 - getting more salary than receive in a trade. Punishment: cant spend more than the first apron.

Action 2 - sending 2 or more players in a trade.
Punishment - cant spend more than the second apron.

I'm assuming that is part of the hold up in the official announcement in the Mikal trade. For example if Duece was added to the trade, not that I want him to be, it would free the Knicks up to spend all the way up to the 2nd apron and give iHart the max 16+ million offer?

Is there any combination of Sims, Jeffries or Diakite that could be used to close the gap between Bridges and Bogey salary? I heard that multiple minimum salary players can't be aggregated to complete the trade but I wasn't even sure if Sims was a minimum salary player or if he along with a minimum salary player would be enough to close the gap.

Where are the Knicks currently in relation to the first and second apron? Sorry for all the questions.

We expect that after the beginning of the Free Agency, Precious will agree to a sign and trade to the Nets. Burks could be a possibility too.

Then we can avoid the first apron and we will be officially hard-capped into the second apron.

[JayTWill]

The new cba has created some penalties to make the rich teams spend less money.

Action1 - getting more salary than receive in a trade. Punishment: cant spend more than the first apron.

Action 2 - sending 2 or more players in a trade.
Punishment - cant spend more than the second apron.

I'm assuming that is part of the hold up in the official announcement in the Mikal trade. For example if Duece was added to the trade, not that I want him to be, it would free the Knicks up to spend all the way up to the 2nd apron and give iHart the max 16+ million offer?

Is there any combination of Sims, Jeffries or Diakite that could be used to close the gap between Bridges and Bogey salary? I heard that multiple minimum salary players can't be aggregated to complete the trade but I wasn't even sure if Sims was a minimum salary player or if he along with a minimum salary player would be enough to close the gap.

Where are the Knicks currently in relation to the first and second apron? Sorry for all the questions.

We expect that after the beginning of the Free Agency, Precious will agree to a sign and trade to the Nets. Burks could be a possibility too.

Then we can avoid the first apron and we will be officially hard-capped into the second apron.

Thank you. It looked like at the draft they were trying to create more room to operate under the second apron but I wasn't sure what could be added to Mikal trade to allow them to use the cap space above the first apron. I'm still not sure how much space they would have under the second apron but i'm glad McBride would not need to be included to make that space available.

[robillionaire]

Unrelated but it seems like having people in the front office who can navigate the loopholes of the cba and cap math is just as important as understanding basketball, maybe even more important. That’s always probably been the case to some degree but now moreso than ever. I was amazed to see our team making so many moves in that draft, they’re really seem to be working overtime and thinking years into the future, not just Leon taking a nap

I honestly don't even nearly as much attention to our cap space and who we're capable of getting anymore. The front office finally has it covered. Not that my concern ever got us anywhere.

Same. I have too many of my own worries to try to figure out these incomprehensible apron situations right now. I’m just glad the franchise appears to be in competent hands