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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 

Post#1801 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:48 pm

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Ok, fine. Bump Tatum up to 37 which would be a career high in minutes/game for him. So now in my post above replace "17" with "15" . That still gets bumped up to 20 when you factor in all the extra time "player X" gets with other guys missing time.

It doesn't change the substance of my post at all. There's inevitably going to be a few vets who have to settle for minimum deals that seem too good for that. We have a 20+ minute per game regular season role to offer them if there's a good fit. And a playoff rotation role if they can beat out Pritchard, who isn't a world beater of an NBA player. We're talking about a guy who, in theory, would have the market dictating to them that they're only worth the minimum too. We're not talking an all star here.

If it's a big man, it's possible.

But wings and guards will not want Boston.

Hauser is the 7th man and he only got 22 minutes per game last season.

I just don't see it.

Brissett already gave us an idea of the situation.


I think Oshae's situation was he just couldn't shoot good enough to where Joe and the nerds could trust him to get meaningful minutes. Majority of the main rotation was taking almost 5 three's a game and hitting over 35%.

Give the kid Peterson a shot.

If Peterson gets a shot then that means no vet minimum signing.

That's what I'm saying, just give the guys we have now a shot.

No need for external help.

Time to let guys like Springer and Walsh get a shot.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 

Post#1802 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:49 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:What planet are we living on that people think Tobias Harris is signing for a vet min. contract?

Oh notice he didn't say anything about DeRozan being unobtainable here -

DeMar for ring chaser confirmed!!


I don't think Demar cares so much about ring chasing right now. He's been durable and he's still scoring.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 

Post#1803 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:50 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If it's a big man, it's possible.

But wings and guards will not want Boston.

Hauser is the 7th man and he only got 22 minutes per game last season.

I just don't see it.

Brissett already gave us an idea of the situation.


I think Oshae's situation was he just couldn't shoot good enough to where Joe and the nerds could trust him to get meaningful minutes. Majority of the main rotation was taking almost 5 three's a game and hitting over 35%.

Give the kid Peterson a shot.

If Peterson gets a shot then that means no vet minimum signing.

That's what I'm saying, just give the guys we have now a shot.

No need for external help.

Time to let guys like Springer and Walsh get a shot.

They all will get a good shot but what are you going to do if they all fail? Celtics have no flexibility. Off-season is the time to add players.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 

Post#1804 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:50 pm

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I'd rather JT be on the same level as Steph. Win that many rings with the same team. :D

Don't forget Steph won back to back regular season MVPs in 2015 and 2016.

If JT is to be on the same level as Steph then JT needs at least 1 MVP trophy.


And Steph didn't need heavy minutes to get those MVP's. Lebron was flirting with almost 40mpg season to get his MVP's.

JT is not as accurate as Steph when it comes to shooting the ball.

That's why JT will need more minutes.
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Post#1805 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:52 pm

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Post#1806 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:53 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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I think Oshae's situation was he just couldn't shoot good enough to where Joe and the nerds could trust him to get meaningful minutes. Majority of the main rotation was taking almost 5 three's a game and hitting over 35%.

Give the kid Peterson a shot.

If Peterson gets a shot then that means no vet minimum signing.

That's what I'm saying, just give the guys we have now a shot.

No need for external help.

Time to let guys like Springer and Walsh get a shot.

They all will get a good shot but what are you going to do if they all fail? Celtics have no flexibility. Off-season is the time to add players.

It's not the Celtics who will not want to add, it's the players who will not want Boston because of playing time.
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Post#1807 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:56 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:If Peterson gets a shot then that means no vet minimum signing.

That's what I'm saying, just give the guys we have now a shot.

No need for external help.

Time to let guys like Springer and Walsh get a shot.

They all will get a good shot but what are you going to do if they all fail? Celtics have no flexibility. Off-season is the time to add players.

It's not the Celtics who will not want to add, it's the players who will not want Boston because of playing time.

Later on once the dust settles a little bit there will be a ton a players left searching for a vet min contract. In Boston they get a chance for a ring and extra playoff money. Some players will be interested in that.

Maybe Brad Stevens just resigns Svi Mykhailiuk. Who knows? We will see.
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Post#1808 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:58 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If it's a big man, it's possible.

But wings and guards will not want Boston.

Hauser is the 7th man and he only got 22 minutes per game last season.

I just don't see it.

Brissett already gave us an idea of the situation.


I think Oshae's situation was he just couldn't shoot good enough to where Joe and the nerds could trust him to get meaningful minutes. Majority of the main rotation was taking almost 5 three's a game and hitting over 35%.

Give the kid Peterson a shot.

If Peterson gets a shot then that means no vet minimum signing.

That's what I'm saying, just give the guys we have now a shot.

No need for external help.

Time to let guys like Springer and Walsh get a shot.


I think Walsh has a great attitude. Other than that he's like a deer in headlights out there to me. I watched most of the Maine games and I didn't see great things on the defensive end. Avery was a glove from the start and worked on his offense to make a career. Does this team have time for a 20 year old to develop? Give me the older kids with the grown up bodies who have a clue. I've felt the same way about JD.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Extensions Thread, 2024-25 

Post#1809 » by 165bows » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:58 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:They all will get a good shot but what are you going to do if they all fail? Celtics have no flexibility. Off-season is the time to add players.

It's not the Celtics who will not want to add, it's the players who will not want Boston because of playing time.

Later on once the dust settles a little bit there will be a ton a players left searching for a vet min contract. In Boston they get a chance for a ring and extra playoff money. Some players will be interested in that.

Maybe Brad Stevens just resigns Svi Mykhailiuk. Who knows? We will see.

The guy that sticks out that might be meaningful in that category is Kyle Anderson. Seems like a bit of a sticky personality so not sure about the fit, but between the player and the team that could be one guy that could slide into the ring chaser vibe.
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Post#1811 » by 165bows » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:59 pm

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Cue Knicks fans' elation subsiding.

I remember hoping to get this guy on a minimum not that long ago.
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Post#1812 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:00 pm

OKC on some serious **** if they trade for Markkanen too.
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Post#1813 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:00 pm

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Post#1814 » by shackles10 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:01 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:Money will not be the issue.

Guys like Melton will not want to sign with Boston because they know they're not going to crack the rotation.

Playing time is the issue.

That's why Brissett left.


Tatum - 35
Brown - 34
White - 32
Jrue - 30
Hauser - 22
Pritchard - 22

Let's say you isolate the C position from the rest of the roster. If those guys play those minutes per game, then you still have 17 minutes per game to fill on the perimeter (PG/SG/SF/PF). And that guy would be called on to play more when one/multiple of those guys are missing.

We have a 20+ minute per game role to offer someone in the regular season if there's a good fit. And Pritchard doesn't have an iron grip on his playoff rotation spot either with his size also being an issue in certain matchups.

They could definitely opt against signing anyone and just rotate Scheierman/Walsh/Springer/2-way guys through the remaining minutes, but they should also be open to signing a vet if the right guy is willing to sign for the minimum.

Last season Tatum said he will prioritize winning a championship over individual awards.

He also said when he gets a championship, he will start going after the individual awards.

So expect Tatum to play a lot and score a lot.

Tatum needs that MVP to further enhance his brand.


Maybe. But that was also before he actually did those things and saw how well it worked as the team won 64 games, historic numbers in terms of offense and efficiency, and went 16-3 in the playoffs despite no KP for most of it. I could easily see him playing this way forward because it worked.
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Post#1815 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:01 pm

I like Isaiah Hartenstein but $29 million per year? Yikes!
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Post#1816 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:02 pm

165bows wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:It's not the Celtics who will not want to add, it's the players who will not want Boston because of playing time.

Later on once the dust settles a little bit there will be a ton a players left searching for a vet min contract. In Boston they get a chance for a ring and extra playoff money. Some players will be interested in that.

Maybe Brad Stevens just resigns Svi Mykhailiuk. Who knows? We will see.

The guy that sticks out that might be meaningful in that category is Kyle Anderson. Seems like a bit of a sticky personality so not sure about the fit, but between the player and the team that could be one guy that could slide into the ring chaser vibe.

Kyle Anderson was part of the rotation in Minny.

I doubt he wants to play behind Sam Hauser in Boston.
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Post#1817 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:02 pm

I do want OKC to fail lol 'cos SGA and Presti are two of the overhyped player-GM combos in the league.
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Post#1818 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:03 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Later on once the dust settles a little bit there will be a ton a players left searching for a vet min contract. In Boston they get a chance for a ring and extra playoff money. Some players will be interested in that.

Maybe Brad Stevens just resigns Svi Mykhailiuk. Who knows? We will see.

The guy that sticks out that might be meaningful in that category is Kyle Anderson. Seems like a bit of a sticky personality so not sure about the fit, but between the player and the team that could be one guy that could slide into the ring chaser vibe.

Kyle Anderson was part of the rotation in Minny.

I doubt he wants to play behind Sam Hauser in Boston.

We just have to wait and see. You had 20+ posts in the draft thread that the Celtics won't be using the 30th pick......

We all just have to wait and see.
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Post#1819 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:03 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:I like Isaiah Hartenstein but $29 million per year? Yikes!

Who were they bidding against?
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Post#1820 » by phincsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:04 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:Don't forget Steph won back to back regular season MVPs in 2015 and 2016.

If JT is to be on the same level as Steph then JT needs at least 1 MVP trophy.


And Steph didn't need heavy minutes to get those MVP's. Lebron was flirting with almost 40mpg season to get his MVP's.

JT is not as accurate as Steph when it comes to shooting the ball.

That's why JT will need more minutes.


I'm not comparing JT and Steph as players.

If JT can get to the line 3 or 4 more times to the line in the regular season and get 8 points there he can stay at 37% from 3 and get closer to 30 a game and still play 35mpg or less.

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