Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

rayallenscalves · Post #621 » by **rayallenscalves** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:54 pm

Umude feels like the kind of player you give a 3-year vet minimum deal and hope it ends up being a great deal. And even if not, it's easy to move off of. But between the shooting and defense, feels like a perfectly reasonable move to make.

bdpecore · Post #622 » by **bdpecore** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:56 pm

Buckfan76 wrote:Folks WE ARE NOT going to get AR15 for a 37 year old center. I don't Pelinka would even trade a 1st for Brook. The teams I think Brook could go to are: OKC, LAL, SAC, NOP, maybe Mavs.

I'm absolutely certain we could get AK-47 and filler from the Jazz

emunney · Post #623 » by **emunney** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:56 pm

soxperry wrote:
emunney wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
That's fair but it's worth pointing out he's an Arkansas writer & Umude played for Arkansas so seems fairly plausible

Yeah, but given they're not an NBA writer and the timing (beginning of FA, just before SL), it also seems plausible that it could be any kind of agreement: SL, 2-way, camp deal / ex. 10, NBA contract. An actual multi-year NBA contract seems like the least likely option given this guy was just pushed out the door by a 14 win team.

Two nba champion teams gave up on ddv and let him walk for nothing. Detroit is certainly not above making a terrible personnel decision

The Bucks traded Donte because he didn't want to sign for 4/40, and the Warriors couldn't compete with external teams due to the contract they gave him and their cap situation. That's not the same as pushing a 24 year old out the door without an offer.

Sure, they may have made a mistake, and maybe Umude is good, but I find it unlikely that, after getting let go by a terrible team following an unremarkable season that ended with a broken ankle, his next opportunity is a multiyear contract from a contender.

bdpecore · Post #624 » by **bdpecore** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 1:59 pm

stillgotgame wrote:Lakers are a perfect trade partner for us. I think they'd be interested in Brook or Bobby.

If we trade Brook to the Lakers the trade will likely be for Vincent, Vanderbilt and one or two future 2nds. They are not giving up Reeves.

emunney · Post #625 » by **emunney** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:01 pm

We all know that Detroit has a new front office, right? You can't use Troy Weaver-era decisions against them. If you want to use Weaver's personnel record to stake out a position on Umude, the only valid position is that Umude is bad, because he signed there under Weaver's tenure.

theFireBlanket · Post #626 » by **theFireBlanket** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:03 pm

With Ham back, we sure the Bucks aren't doubling down on Brook & Bobby being up front with G?

soxperry · Post #627 » by **soxperry** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:07 pm

emunney wrote:
soxperry wrote:
emunney wrote:
Yeah, but given they're not an NBA writer and the timing (beginning of FA, just before SL), it also seems plausible that it could be any kind of agreement: SL, 2-way, camp deal / ex. 10, NBA contract. An actual multi-year NBA contract seems like the least likely option given this guy was just pushed out the door by a 14 win team.

Two nba champion teams gave up on ddv and let him walk for nothing. Detroit is certainly not above making a terrible personnel decision

The Bucks traded Donte because he didn't want to sign for 4/40, and the Warriors couldn't compete with external teams due to the contract they gave him and their cap situation. That's not the same as pushing a 24 year old out the door without an offer.

Sure, they may have made a mistake, and maybe Umude is good, but I find it unlikely that, after getting let go by a terrible team following an unremarkable season that ended with a broken ankle, his next opportunity is a multiyear contract from a contender.

For our purposes, its better than signing him for one year and then not being able to retain him. Its not like he would command a ton. Why not?

bdpecore · Post #628 » by **bdpecore** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:11 pm

machu46 wrote:
bdpecore wrote:
machu46 wrote:It doesn’t seem like anyone really knows how it works. Frank Madden says the way the CBA is written seems to indicate we can combine salaries as long as the trade brings us under the second apron.

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My understanding is if a team aggregate salaries in a trade they are hard capped at the 2nd apron for the season.

That is correct, but the question is if we have to get under the 2nd apron before we can aggregate or if we can do both in one move.

I think you can do both in one move as you're not hard capped until the trade has been completed.

LUKE23 · Post #629 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:18 pm

Green
AJJ
Beauchamp
Johnson
Smith
Livingston
Umude?

2 Way:

Washington
Rollins
Galloway

Hope the developmental coaches are ready to work overtime. I excluded Thanasis since he's a lost cause. :lol:

emunney · Post #630 » by **emunney** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:18 pm

soxperry wrote:
emunney wrote:
soxperry wrote:

Two nba champion teams gave up on ddv and let him walk for nothing. Detroit is certainly not above making a terrible personnel decision

The Bucks traded Donte because he didn't want to sign for 4/40, and the Warriors couldn't compete with external teams due to the contract they gave him and their cap situation. That's not the same as pushing a 24 year old out the door without an offer.

Sure, they may have made a mistake, and maybe Umude is good, but I find it unlikely that, after getting let go by a terrible team following an unremarkable season that ended with a broken ankle, his next opportunity is a multiyear contract from a contender.

For our purposes, its better than signing him for one year and then not being able to retain him. Its not like he would command a ton. Why not?

Isn't this an argument for signing literally anybody to a multiyear NBA contract?

Turk Nowitzki · Post #631 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:23 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:With Ham back, we sure the Bucks aren't doubling down on Brook & Bobby being up front with G?

We're definitely not sure about that, I'd say it's probably more likely than not at this point that's exactly what we're going to do along with filling in on the edges with vet mins.

emunney · Post #632 » by **emunney** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:25 pm

I like the defensive highlight reel.

bucksfansince88 · Post #633 » by **bucksfansince88** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:32 pm

Horst is forcing Docs hand to play young guys

Daver · Post #634 » by **Daver** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:33 pm

bdpecore wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:Lakers are a perfect trade partner for us. I think they'd be interested in Brook or Bobby.

If we trade Brook to the Lakers the trade will likely be for Vincent, Vanderbilt and one or two future 2nds. They are not giving up Reeves.

Is vincent a capable #2 guard

LUKE23 · Post #635 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:35 pm

bucksfansince88 wrote:Horst is forcing Docs hand to play young guys

Only issue is that we really don't know if any of them can play.

bdpecore · Post #636 » by **bdpecore** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:35 pm

Daver wrote:
bdpecore wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:Lakers are a perfect trade partner for us. I think they'd be interested in Brook or Bobby.

If we trade Brook to the Lakers the trade will likely be for Vincent, Vanderbilt and one or two future 2nds. They are not giving up Reeves.

Is vincent a capable #2 guard

He's a good defender (6'7" wingspan) and spot up shooter who could play next to Dame or initiate the offense when Dame is on the bench.

Ron Swanson · Post #637 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:38 pm

Gabe Vincent is closer to playing in Europe than he is being an actual rotation player for a championship contender. What are we doing to ourselves here?

soxperry · Post #638 » by **soxperry** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:40 pm

emunney wrote:
soxperry wrote:
emunney wrote:
The Bucks traded Donte because he didn't want to sign for 4/40, and the Warriors couldn't compete with external teams due to the contract they gave him and their cap situation. That's not the same as pushing a 24 year old out the door without an offer.

Sure, they may have made a mistake, and maybe Umude is good, but I find it unlikely that, after getting let go by a terrible team following an unremarkable season that ended with a broken ankle, his next opportunity is a multiyear contract from a contender.

For our purposes, its better than signing him for one year and then not being able to retain him. Its not like he would command a ton. Why not?

Isn't this an argument for signing literally anybody to a multiyear NBA contract?

I mean, you obviously need to compare him to the other available options before committing a slot to him, but to me he is a very intriguing prospect. There just aren't that many guys who are both available for vet min and are also flashing this kind of useful upside. So, no?

A one year deal doesnt fit here. Hes not a known quantity, hired gun that we can count on for a playoff run. He is still a project and i would only bring him in if its a multi year approach. If he pops right away, awesome. If he shows steady improvement, great. If he is a dud, is it that hard to unload a two year vet min contract?

soxperry · Post #639 » by **soxperry** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:41 pm

emunney wrote:I like the defensive highlight reel.

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raferfenix · Post #640 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:54 pm

I was high on Vanderbilt when he was in Utah but seems like he had a real down year last season. Buy low opportunity or is he just not that good?

Otherwise Rui's contract seems like a closer fit if he'd be the target. Or Russell if he goes to a third team.

Jake Fischer: The Lakers have also been exploring trade scenarios with the contracts of D’Angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, Jarred Vanderbilt and Gabe Vincent, sources said, and Brook Lopez has been one of the primary options on the Lakers’ board of hopeful acquisitions, sources said.

https://fadeawayworld.net/lakers-willing-trade-dangelo-russell-rui-hachimura-jarred-vanderbilt-gabe-vincent