Around the NBA (Part Two)

[thinktank]

Valanciunas to Was for 3/30 is a steal. New Orleans going to have a big hole at center now.
Looks like PG13 is going to Philly and Klay leaving GSW.
CP3 to the Spurs on a 1 year deal.

West getting weaker overall and I like that.
Curious to see what Dallas will do and where Klay ends up, he might end up with one of the LA teams for the MLE, but he's not ready to settle for that right now.
Hopefully he doesn't let the Warriors get anything back in a sign and trade.

Warriors and Clippers losing players and getting weaker and still owe a ton of 1st round picks, this is the downside to going for it.

Be curious to see if Hartenstein ends up in OKC and how much they are willing to pay him.
Knicks hardcapping themselves with the Bridges trade is going to make it hard to bring him back.

Don't know how Morey keeps pulling these rabbits out of his butt. Also getting Gordon for vet min and Drummond for 2/10.
Looking like a real winner for moving on from Harden right now.

Dallas lost Derrick Jones Jr.

That’s kinda big for us. He was their best wing defender and he shot well too.

I can’t imagine they replace him with someone better.

[minimus]

Valanciunas to Was for 3/30 is a steal. New Orleans going to have a big hole at center now.
Looks like PG13 is going to Philly and Klay leaving GSW.
CP3 to the Spurs on a 1 year deal.

West getting weaker overall and I like that.
Curious to see what Dallas will do and where Klay ends up, he might end up with one of the LA teams for the MLE, but he's not ready to settle for that right now.
Hopefully he doesn't let the Warriors get anything back in a sign and trade.

Warriors and Clippers losing players and getting weaker and still owe a ton of 1st round picks, this is the downside to going for it.

Be curious to see if Hartenstein ends up in OKC and how much they are willing to pay him.
Knicks hardcapping themselves with the Bridges trade is going to make it hard to bring him back.

Don't know how Morey keeps pulling these rabbits out of his butt. Also getting Gordon for vet min and Drummond for 2/10.
Looking like a real winner for moving on from Harden right now.

Dallas lost Derrick Jones Jr.

That’s kinda big for us. He was their best wing defender and he shot well too.

I can’t imagine they replace him with someone better.

While DJJ is much better, versatile defender, Naji Marshall is by far better shooter.

[winforlose]

As many of you know I am a big believer in big ball, and the twin tower approach to basketball, but am I alone in thinking IHart is the wrong tower for OKC? Chet was great last year for his shot blocking and his ability to space the floor at C. IHart is just a taller version of the Giddey problem, with even more paint packing as a result. OKC needed a large floor spacing PF like Lauri not a Rudy type C.

[cmoss84]

1) Is Hartenstein worth $30/year???

2) How is Philly doing this? Aren't they well over the cap???

[BlacJacMac]

2) How is Philly doing this? Aren't they well over the cap???

Philly cleared a ton of cap. Before the signings they only had Embiid, Maxey, Oubre, Reed and Council on the books.

I'm assuming they relinquished their rights to Hield, Batum, Covington, Melton, Scott, Lowry and any other lower priced FA they had.

So I think with all the signings, they have a total of 8 players under contract: Embiid, George, Maxey, Oubre, Reed, Drummond, Gordon and Council.

[minimus]

1) Is Hartenstein worth $30/year???

2) How is Philly doing this? Aren't they well over the cap???

1) Hartenstein contract has unguaranteed last year. Which aligns with Chet, Williams extension, it allows OKC to keep him by using Bird rights or trade him

[KGdaBom]

Valanciunas to Was for 3/30 is a steal. New Orleans going to have a big hole at center now.
Looks like PG13 is going to Philly and Klay leaving GSW.
CP3 to the Spurs on a 1 year deal.

West getting weaker overall and I like that.
Curious to see what Dallas will do and where Klay ends up, he might end up with one of the LA teams for the MLE, but he's not ready to settle for that right now.
Hopefully he doesn't let the Warriors get anything back in a sign and trade.

Warriors and Clippers losing players and getting weaker and still owe a ton of 1st round picks, this is the downside to going for it.

Be curious to see if Hartenstein ends up in OKC and how much they are willing to pay him.
Knicks hardcapping themselves with the Bridges trade is going to make it hard to bring him back.

Don't know how Morey keeps pulling these rabbits out of his butt. Also getting Gordon for vet min and Drummond for 2/10.
Looking like a real winner for moving on from Harden right now.

Dallas lost Derrick Jones Jr.

That’s kinda big for us. He was their best wing defender and he shot well too.

I can’t imagine they replace him with someone better.

I'm a big fan of Derek Jones Jr. He is a pretty big loss for Dallas.

[KGdaBom]

1) Is Hartenstein worth $30/year???

2) How is Philly doing this? Aren't they well over the cap???

Hart is darn good. Probably better than Naz. OKC needed a big strong guy and Hart gives them that.

[KGdaBom]

As many of you know I am a big believer in big ball, and the twin tower approach to basketball, but am I alone in thinking IHart is the wrong tower for OKC? Chet was great last year for his shot blocking and his ability to space the floor at C. IHart is just a taller version of the Giddey problem, with even more paint packing as a result. OKC needed a large floor spacing PF like Lauri not a Rudy type C.

Hart is not Rudy.

[shrink]

Even if you're worth 130 Billion, the new CBA and Apron penalties are no joke.

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Clippers were already repeaters and were not going to win anything as constructed. They didn’t even make it out of the first round. To anyone who says they could win it all if they stayed healthy, I would say maybe, but they cannot stay healthy.

Agree. For Ballmer, I think it was less about the money, but about being unable to build a contender with second apron restrictions.

[thinktank]

As many of you know I am a big believer in big ball, and the twin tower approach to basketball, but am I alone in thinking IHart is the wrong tower for OKC? Chet was great last year for his shot blocking and his ability to space the floor at C. IHart is just a taller version of the Giddey problem, with even more paint packing as a result. OKC needed a large floor spacing PF like Lauri not a Rudy type C.

Hart is not Rudy.

He’s saying Hart is a non-perimeter shooter like Rudy and that is correct.

That’s why he said “type”.

[KGdaBom]

As many of you know I am a big believer in big ball, and the twin tower approach to basketball, but am I alone in thinking IHart is the wrong tower for OKC? Chet was great last year for his shot blocking and his ability to space the floor at C. IHart is just a taller version of the Giddey problem, with even more paint packing as a result. OKC needed a large floor spacing PF like Lauri not a Rudy type C.

Hart is not Rudy.

He’s saying Hart is a non-perimeter shooter like Rudy and that is correct.

That’s why he said “type”.

He can make threes if they ask that of him. 33.3% shooter. Not ideal, but not bad either. Why does OKC need him to be a perimeter shooter anyway. I see no need for that. OKC obviously wasn't signing him to be a perimeter shooter.

[BlacJacMac]

Hart is not Rudy.

He’s saying Hart is a non-perimeter shooter like Rudy and that is correct.

That’s why he said “type”.

He can make threes if they ask that of him. 33.3% shooter. Not ideal, but not bad either. Why does OKC need him to be a perimeter shooter anyway. I see no need for that. OKC obviously sees no need for that either.

Come on...That 33.3% is because he made 1 of 3 last year. He's taken 87 total in 6 years. He basically has no game at all outside of 10 feet.

People question the fit because everything OKC does on offense is based on having 5 guys on the floor that can shoot. Its why Giddy basically fell out of the rotation.

[winforlose]

He’s saying Hart is a non-perimeter shooter like Rudy and that is correct.

That’s why he said “type”.

He can make threes if they ask that of him. 33.3% shooter. Not ideal, but not bad either. Why does OKC need him to be a perimeter shooter anyway. I see no need for that. OKC obviously sees no need for that either.

Come on...That 33.3% is because he made 1 of 3 last year. He's taken 87 total in 6 years. He basically has no game at all outside of 10 feet.

People question the fit because everything OKC does on offense is based on having 5 guys on the floor that can shoot. Its why Giddy basically fell out of the rotation.

Exactly. I like IH, I like OKC, I like big ball, but Chet is the natural C in their five out system. You need a big floor spacing PF tower to fit next to him. Not a taller version of Josh Giddey.

[BlacJacMac]

He can make threes if they ask that of him. 33.3% shooter. Not ideal, but not bad either. Why does OKC need him to be a perimeter shooter anyway. I see no need for that. OKC obviously sees no need for that either.

Come on...That 33.3% is because he made 1 of 3 last year. He's taken 87 total in 6 years. He basically has no game at all outside of 10 feet.

People question the fit because everything OKC does on offense is based on having 5 guys on the floor that can shoot. Its why Giddy basically fell out of the rotation.

Exactly. I like IH, I like OKC, I like big ball, but Chet is the natural C in their five out system. You need a big floor spacing PF tower to fit next to him. Not a taller version of Josh Giddey.

They need a guy like KAT.

[MN7725]

He can make threes if they ask that of him. 33.3% shooter. Not ideal, but not bad either. Why does OKC need him to be a perimeter shooter anyway. I see no need for that. OKC obviously sees no need for that either.

Come on...That 33.3% is because he made 1 of 3 last year. He's taken 87 total in 6 years. He basically has no game at all outside of 10 feet.

People question the fit because everything OKC does on offense is based on having 5 guys on the floor that can shoot. Its why Giddy basically fell out of the rotation.

Exactly. I like IH, I like OKC, I like big ball, but Chet is the natural C in their five out system. You need a big floor spacing PF tower to fit next to him. Not a taller version of Josh Giddey.

They could still get Lauri with the ammo they have

[gandlogo]

As many of you know I am a big believer in big ball, and the twin tower approach to basketball, but am I alone in thinking IHart is the wrong tower for OKC? Chet was great last year for his shot blocking and his ability to space the floor at C. IHart is just a taller version of the Giddey problem, with even more paint packing as a result. OKC needed a large floor spacing PF like Lauri not a Rudy type C.

As someone who is not a believer in two bigs - unless they can both pass and/or shoot - and Hartenstein can pass, and to a degree shoot. Other than one absolutely horrible season from 3pt range, he's likely around 34% this season which is fine. He can also face the basket and put the ball on the floor, so he doesn't have to park on the block. Run him at high post on offense and you can still keep spacing. Feels like a guy Mark Daigneault wanted. Good enough rebounder. Good enough on defense.In a lot of ways he's similar to Post who OKC drafted in the second round. Vegas seemed to like the addition, especially with adding Caruso too.

[winforlose]

Come on...That 33.3% is because he made 1 of 3 last year. He's taken 87 total in 6 years. He basically has no game at all outside of 10 feet.

People question the fit because everything OKC does on offense is based on having 5 guys on the floor that can shoot. Its why Giddy basically fell out of the rotation.

Exactly. I like IH, I like OKC, I like big ball, but Chet is the natural C in their five out system. You need a big floor spacing PF tower to fit next to him. Not a taller version of Josh Giddey.

They need a guy like KAT.

Or Lauri Markkanen. They just don’t want to open the pick war chest to go get him.

[winforlose]

Come on...That 33.3% is because he made 1 of 3 last year. He's taken 87 total in 6 years. He basically has no game at all outside of 10 feet.

People question the fit because everything OKC does on offense is based on having 5 guys on the floor that can shoot. Its why Giddy basically fell out of the rotation.

Exactly. I like IH, I like OKC, I like big ball, but Chet is the natural C in their five out system. You need a big floor spacing PF tower to fit next to him. Not a taller version of Josh Giddey.

They could still get Lauri with the ammo they have

The money is the issue now.

[KGdaBom]

He can make threes if they ask that of him. 33.3% shooter. Not ideal, but not bad either. Why does OKC need him to be a perimeter shooter anyway. I see no need for that. OKC obviously sees no need for that either.

Come on...That 33.3% is because he made 1 of 3 last year. He's taken 87 total in 6 years. He basically has no game at all outside of 10 feet.

People question the fit because everything OKC does on offense is based on having 5 guys on the floor that can shoot. Its why Giddy basically fell out of the rotation.

Exactly. I like IH, I like OKC, I like big ball, but Chet is the natural C in their five out system. You need a big floor spacing PF tower to fit next to him. Not a taller version of Josh Giddey.

Hart is not Josh Giddey.