Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[eyeatoma]

I'm very curious about the rumor from Spike that Oubre's teammates don't like him. Not sure I believe that.

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I don't think Spike is talking about teammates.

Listened to the pod, and didn't even hear where this was mentioned.

He was talking about the Klay signing in Dallas and how he heard he was a bad teammate according to his source then mentioned Oubre.

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[HotelVitale]

That's the end of our cap hold situation, right? Melton and Batum the only guys we might've thought about, besides Oubre (already agreed) and Lowry (probably not back or back for vet min so no need for cap hold).

Think that leaves us here:
CAP = 141
Embiid: 51
PG: 49
Oubre: (8 --doesn't count towards cap)
Drummond: 5
Maxey: 13
McCain: 3.5
Bona: 1.5
Cap holds: 6 (or 4 if we keep Reed/Council)
Reed (8)
Council (2)

That puts us little over the cap, unless Oubre's coming via the exception and doens't count for it (not sure how that works). If that's the case we'd still have a decent chunk between that and Reed's unguaranteed. Otherwise this is what we got plus 3-4 more vet mins.

Quoting myself to add:
1) Oubre is coming in as a room exception, so won't count for the cap
2) Gordon definitely doesn't count since vet min

That means the Sixers do indeed have cap room left! If they were to cut Reed+Council they would have about $12m in space, $10m if they want to keep Council. That's a nice chunk to play with. But guessing we might want to keep Reed for trade purposes (since he can be traded immediately and is non-guaranteed), unless we come across sometihng really nice to use that $10m on.

[Negrodamus]

Jalen Smith and Saddiq Bey are two of the best ORB per 36 who also take a decent volume of 3 at a good percentage. Obviously Bey is a delayed gratification.

Edit: Bulls signed Smith

[youngcrev]

Jalen Smith and Saddiq Bey are two of the best ORB per 36 who also take a decent volume of 3 at a good percentage. Obviously Bey is a delayed gratification.

Smith went to the Bulls

[Negrodamus]

Jalen Smith and Saddiq Bey are two of the best ORB per 36 who also take a decent volume of 3 at a good percentage. Obviously Bey is a delayed gratification.

Smith went to the Bulls

Just saw, bad timing for me to be traveling.

[the_process]

It'd be nice if they could get a couple guys who can pass.

Also Dario and Cov please.

[HotelVitale]

That's the end of our cap hold situation, right? Melton and Batum the only guys we might've thought about, besides Oubre (already agreed) and Lowry (probably not back or back for vet min so no need for cap hold).

Think that leaves us here:
CAP = 141
Embiid: 51
PG: 49
Oubre: 8
Drummond: 5
Maxey: 13
McCain: 3.5
Bona: 1.5
Cap holds: 6 (or 4 if we keep Reed/Council)
Reed (8)
Council (2)

That puts us little over the cap, unless Oubre's coming via the exception and doens't count for it (not sure how that works). If that's the case we'd still have a decent chunk between that and Reed's unguaranteed. Otherwise this is what we got plus 3-4 more vet mins.

I thought somebody just reported that had about $10 million if they waived Reed’s contract. I would assume waiving that contract is a no-brainer, but I think I’m missing something. A few people implied that Reed isn’t counting against the cap, but they can trade him for a player. So I don’t completely get it.

Marks said $9 million after Maxey signing.

Just updated it before seeing your response.

Confirmed that Oubre is coming in as a room exception so won't count for the cap. So I think we have about $11-12m if we cut Reed+Council, $9-10m if just Reed. But also guessing we might want to keep Reed for trade purposes (since he can be traded immediately and is non-guaranteed), unless we come across sometihng really nice to use that $10m on. That's probably why there's no word out yet about either Reed or that extra $.

Also all this is with Maxey still not signed but left on the $13m cap hold, we're definitely way over cap in any scenario where we're counting Maxey as signed.

[eyeatoma]

I don't think Spike is talking about teammates.

Who is he talking about?

People within the organization. Not players. I don't think Spike has player sources. He gave no indication he was disliked by teammates as far as I know.

Hmmm who gives a **** then. Wonder if it has to do with the whole accident then. If that's the case why did they resign him. Doesn't add up. Unless he's a total **** to the trainers etc which I doubt.

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[youngcrev]

It'd be nice if they could get a couple guys who can pass.

Also Dario and Cov please.

Dario can pass

[kriss73]

Let's say the Pels can't trade Ingram and they're "forced" to extend him.

Reed and a couple of first wuold be enough for Trey Murphy?
Tha would be an expensive (next year) but really cool move both for now and the future.

[MikRay]

Not sure who I would prefer Dario, or Cov? Cov long arms , deflections and a lot better defensive player, Dario tougher a little better rebounder. Problem is we need a starting caliber power forward I’m still worried about that

[SixthStreet]

Covington is cooked. Processors can let that one go.

[M2J]

Oubre and George give you versatility... So does having Maxey that can play 1 or 2 at an all star level and so is having large athleticish centers like Joel and Andre that can take up space in the paint and rebound.

George was effectively the clippers power forward. Tatum is the power forward for the Celtics, without a Joel behind him (though KP is fine, just skinny).

Adding Batum would've been amazing, but they can either find a power forward or defensive guard that you feel good about starting. Eric Gordon and McCain are decent options, but should be backups. Lowry too. Council at PF too

I think they should trade Paul Reed for a guy like DFS, and then you have a squad. Or find a quality Melton replacement. But it's good to have 2 general options they can look at for that trade in terms of positionality.

[Arsenal]

The potential home run signing at this point would be Gordon Hayward. Hopefully we can get him for vet min.

He would have a major role here on a contender which should be appealing assuming he can't land a big check elsewhere.

[M2J]

Also in reference to people dissing this signing due to George's age ... That's not my concern. These guys are playing like all stars at 36 and 37 now, and it's only getting better. George is and was never a Kevin Durant level talent, but with his jumper and game...I fully could see him aging similarly.

My concerns regarding the signing where about being able to build depth after renouncing all your free agents.. fortunately two key pieces have been filled and I think they are the main two pieces in Drummond and Kelly. But also this supposed ability to trade Paul Reed for up to $15 million, which I fully don't understand and having draft capital should help a lot. However, it's still a tough way to live and improve with a limited window as opposed to the trades which would've given a quicker winner due to bird rights

[sixers hoops]

I thought somebody just reported that had about $10 million if they waived Reed’s contract. I would assume waiving that contract is a no-brainer, but I think I’m missing something. A few people implied that Reed isn’t counting against the cap, but they can trade him for a player. So I don’t completely get it.

Marks said $9 million after Maxey signing.

Just updated it before seeing your response.

Confirmed that Oubre is coming in as a room exception so won't count for the cap. So I think we have about $11-12m if we cut Reed+Council, $9-10m if just Reed. But also guessing we might want to keep Reed for trade purposes (since he can be traded immediately and is non-guaranteed), unless we come across sometihng really nice to use that $10m on. That's probably why there's no word out yet about either Reed or that extra $.

Also all this is with Maxey still not signed but left on the $13m cap hold, we're definitely way over cap in any scenario where we're counting Maxey as signed.

I know that Reed can be traded and counted as $0 for the acquiring team, but we could waive him and acquire a player for cap space with the same effect. Unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t make sense to hang onto him for that purpose.

However, Bodner and others have said they could trade Reed and receive a $15 million dollar player in return, however, they would then be capped at the first apron I believe. I assume that would be the primary reason we are hanging onto Reed. Not sure though.

[Stanford]

Wonder if it has to do with the whole accident then.

Other organizations, not the Sixers.

[Stanford]

Reed and a couple of first wuold be enough for Trey Murphy?

Not a chance

[HotelVitale]

My concerns regarding the signing where about being able to build depth after renouncing all your free agents.. fortunately two key pieces have been filled and I think they are the main two pieces in Drummond and Kelly. But also this supposed ability to trade Paul Reed for up to $15 million, which I fully don't understand and having draft capital should help a lot. However, it's still a tough way to live and improve with a limited window as opposed to the trades which would've given a quicker winner due to bird rights

Well we only renounced Tobias and Melton, both of which were for obvious reasons. Batum signed elsewhere and no one else was worth their caphold to us, we didn't renounce them but they just aren't keeping rights to.

I also don't get your other point--if we traded for Ingram or someone like that, we'd be in a similar situation but with fewer picks. Ingram would've come into cap space or we would've signed and traded someone for him and those guys would also be gone and thus not trade-able.

Also yeah we still have either $10m in cap space or can use Reed's contract to make trades, or we can wait and package Reed and some vet mins or young guys (plus picks etc) to make a more significant $ trade later in the year.

[NYSixersFan]

How bout Mo Wagner?