Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 7.0: KCP Signed, What's Next?

[Knightro]

Black and Jett won't be 3rd string, Cole and Harris will

I would bet a large sum of money that this is not the case.

[RichCollab]

Practice we go as hard as the game. You have to compete to play.

KCP makes a bigger difference in Cleveland series.
Replacing Chuma with Silva. That’s big for me.

We kept Goga who we all agree was a great find.

We didn’t max out on an older player who doesn’t match our timeline.

We blistered healthy players, playoff/champonship experience and maintained Defense is where we succeed.

Point Guard is still a question and we get another…. Evaluation year, Iknow… But, let’s see Suggs and Black. Can Franz play make?

If there was a KCP in the pg form that would have been perfect but there wasn’t.

WCJ needs to show he deserves to be here. He is very tradable when it’s time.

We have all our picks and an additional 1st round options.

We continue to believe we have our stars in our core 3.

I do believe this is our team until the trade deadline and I’m excited and greatful for where we are at as a franchise.

No free lunches players have to show up to play this year.

[orlando_joe]

magic with what around 15 mill left 2 spots and a 2-way to go? from me with maybe bad math?...lol
wagner and ingles? can add to isaac this yr and extend for a couple cheaper yrs added on? then try to extend suggs and wagner by oct

[Knightro]

I think Cole and Harris should be the backups until we see that Black or Jett are clearly better than them. Then, we could package one or both of Cole and Harris before the deadline.

Black was close to being better than Cole last season.

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I will say this again, the Magic are a very likely going to have a good team again next year because of their depth and their defense.

But they are not going to trade away rotation players if the team is playing well.

Let’s say we get to early February and the Magic are on pace to win 50 games and Cole/Gary have been the backup guard combo that whole time.

Wellman is not trading those guys at the deadline. It will not happen.

[GelbeWand09]

Calling Suggs our "point gyard" is really just an argument of who will bring the ball up every now abd then. Paolo is the team's "Point guard" and we've chosen to double down on our defensive identity and load up with two defensive guards at the guard spots.

I hear that all the time. I wonder why generational big passers/playmakers work best with all star PG's despite their passing skills? LeBron & Kyrie, Doncic & Kyrie/Brunson, Jokic & Murray but Paolo who doesnt show generational passing talent doesnt even need a 3rd string PG? Why had the Boston wing duo always 2 PG's next to them in the lineup?

[OnlyFranz22]

WCJ and both 2025 firsts for Nurkic….

Who says no?

Suggs/AB/Queen
KCP/Cole/Harris
Franz/Jett/Houstan
Paolo/JI/da Silva
Nurkic/Goga/Mo

[yoyojw17]

Calling Suggs our "point gyard" is really just an argument of who will bring the ball up every now abd then. Paolo is the team's "Point guard" and we've chosen to double down on our defensive identity and load up with two defensive guards at the guard spots.

I hear that all the time. I wonder why generational big passers/playmakers work best with all star PG's despite their passing skills? LeBron & Kyrie, Doncic & Kyrie/Brunson, Jokic & Murray but Paolo who doesnt show generational passing talent doesnt even need a 3rd string PG? Why had the Boston wing duo always 2 PG's next to them in the lineup?

If they believe that Suggs and Black are going to be able to fill that role.... Which they were drafted for..... Whether or not we have observed it yet or not for whatever reason.... Suggs needing to acclimate and slow down ... Black to acclimate and get more opportunity... That is up to the front office. And based on the moves made.... Seems like they will be giving them that opportunity and I'm here to find out.

[CarraT]

Calling Suggs our "point gyard" is really just an argument of who will bring the ball up every now abd then. Paolo is the team's "Point guard" and we've chosen to double down on our defensive identity and load up with two defensive guards at the guard spots.

I hear that all the time. I wonder why generational big passers/playmakers work best with all star PG's despite their passing skills? LeBron & Kyrie, Doncic & Kyrie/Brunson, Jokic & Murray but Paolo who doesnt show generational passing talent doesnt even need a 3rd string PG? Why had the Boston wing duo always 2 PG's next to them in the lineup?

Exactly. Despite the sheer fact that Paolo already mentioned in public he doesnt want to be a point guard and that we need to get a better one here.

[GelbeWand09]

Calling Suggs our "point gyard" is really just an argument of who will bring the ball up every now abd then. Paolo is the team's "Point guard" and we've chosen to double down on our defensive identity and load up with two defensive guards at the guard spots.

I hear that all the time. I wonder why generational big passers/playmakers work best with all star PG's despite their passing skills? LeBron & Kyrie, Doncic & Kyrie/Brunson, Jokic & Murray but Paolo who doesnt show generational passing talent doesnt even need a 3rd string PG? Why had the Boston wing duo always 2 PG's next to them in the lineup?

If they believe that Suggs and Black are going to be able to fill that role.... Which they were drafted for..... Whether or not we have observed it yet or not for whatever reason.... Suggs needing to acclimate and slow down ... Black to acclimate and get more opportunity... That is up to the front office. And based on the moves made.... Seems like they will be giving them that opportunity and I'm here to find out.

Because we have enough data that Suggs cant play PG in a halfcourt setting. He cant even run a basic pick & roll under pressure & doesnt have the handle to create there much. Players have skill sets at this age and they dont magically become different players just because the team plays them in that role or the team/fans wants them to become that kind of player. Same logic had our FO thinking AG becomes a wing scorer, despite his skill set saying otherwise.
AB is a different thing, because we have no data yet.

[tiderulz]

I know we just got him, and he's a fit, but I wouldn't be surprised if KCP was used to get Garland. Cavs will want good players to help them contend with Mitchell, and KCP fits that desire.

Garland is 24. if he is moved, they are going to want young talent also, not 31 yr old KCP.

[Knightro]

WCJ and both 2025 firsts for Nurkic….

Who says no?

Suggs/AB/Queen
KCP/Cole/Harris
Franz/Jett/Houstan
Paolo/JI/da Silva
Nurkic/Goga/Mo

Nurkic is worse than Carter, so the Magic say no pretty easily?

[eyriq]

Weltman is not beating the allegations.

[OnlyFranz22]

WCJ and both 2025 firsts for Nurkic….

Who says no?

Suggs/AB/Queen
KCP/Cole/Harris
Franz/Jett/Houstan
Paolo/JI/da Silva
Nurkic/Goga/Mo

Nurkic is worse than Carter, so the Magic say no pretty easily?

The only thing WCJ does better is shoot 3s.

Everyone was just clamoring over Hartenstein.

Nurk is a great rebounder and tremendous passer for a big.

[tiderulz]

WCJ and both 2025 firsts for Nurkic….

Who says no?

Suggs/AB/Queen
KCP/Cole/Harris
Franz/Jett/Houstan
Paolo/JI/da Silva
Nurkic/Goga/Mo

Orlando does. Why the heck would we want Nurkic? we start Goga and he can put up similar or better stats than Nurkic does

[JoshuaPotter]

Weltman is not beating the allegations.

What allegations? He has so many.

[tiderulz]

I hear that all the time. I wonder why generational big passers/playmakers work best with all star PG's despite their passing skills? LeBron & Kyrie, Doncic & Kyrie/Brunson, Jokic & Murray but Paolo who doesnt show generational passing talent doesnt even need a 3rd string PG? Why had the Boston wing duo always 2 PG's next to them in the lineup?

If they believe that Suggs and Black are going to be able to fill that role.... Which they were drafted for..... Whether or not we have observed it yet or not for whatever reason.... Suggs needing to acclimate and slow down ... Black to acclimate and get more opportunity... That is up to the front office. And based on the moves made.... Seems like they will be giving them that opportunity and I'm here to find out.

Because we have enough data that Suggs cant play PG in a halfcourt setting. He cant even run a basic pick & roll under pressure & doesnt have the handle to create there much. Players have skill sets at this age and they dont magically become different players just because the team plays them in that role or the team/fans wants them to become that kind of player. Same logic had our FO thinking AG becomes a wing scorer, despite his skill set saying otherwise.
AB is a different thing, because we have no data yet.

and then look when it counts. Suggs 40% from 3 all season, 29% from 3 in the playoffs. he isnt as good under pressure creating his own shot.

[magicfan217]

Playmaking in the backcourt is this teams biggest question mark. Suggs and black both have potential and are very young. If they don’t develop that I think you’ll eventually see the front office trade for that. But there is absolutely zero reason to rush that and make a bad deal.

What the backcourt lacks in play making, the front court hopefully has an abundance of it with Franz and Paolo. And the backcourt certainly compliments their strengths by being good shooters and absolutely Elite defenders. Let it play out. 22 year olds usually get better.

[eyriq]

'23: add Ingles, AB, and Jett
'24: add KCP, TSD

Zzzzzzzzz

[JoshuaPotter]

Like so far :

Attempted to make a splash and failed. Good for us. Seriously.

KCP signing was good.

Gary / Goga feels odd. But let me reshape how I think. When we had a brief moment where Paolo or Franz was out we struggled pretty bad from 3pt if I recall correctly Houstan + Okeke just wasn't enough. We reload that same scenario with Gary / De Silva / Black / Jett likely on the improving upon our 3-ball depth from last year.

The other question is with our romance of 10-man lineups what are we looking at?

Paulo, Franz, Suggs, KCP, WCJ are the easy to pick first five.....

Cole, Harris, Ji, Goga, AB seems like our next five....

[yoyojw17]

If they believe that Suggs and Black are going to be able to fill that role.... Which they were drafted for..... Whether or not we have observed it yet or not for whatever reason.... Suggs needing to acclimate and slow down ... Black to acclimate and get more opportunity... That is up to the front office. And based on the moves made.... Seems like they will be giving them that opportunity and I'm here to find out.

Because we have enough data that Suggs cant play PG in a halfcourt setting. He cant even run a basic pick & roll under pressure & doesnt have the handle to create there much. Players have skill sets at this age and they dont magically become different players just because the team plays them in that role or the team/fans wants them to become that kind of player. Same logic had our FO thinking AG becomes a wing scorer, despite his skill set saying otherwise.
AB is a different thing, because we have no data yet.

and then look when it counts. Suggs 40% from 3 all season, 29% from 3 in the playoffs. he isnt as good under pressure creating his own shot.

I swore we were talking about young kids learning and growing. Haha. There could be a YET appended to any statement. Showed confidence in season.... Shrank underneath the big lights. Experience. Let's see where that takes him next. Same way people wanted to trade him cuz he was a bust a year ago... And now.... He's part of the core as a defensive beast .... And second team all defense in his third season. Looks like they tasked him with something... And he might have achieved it... Now time to continue refining it.