How will the rotations look like?

[Stannis]

Why is everyone running 8 man rotations as of that's ever worked before. We need to go 10 deep!!!

It's the job of the front office to give Thibs 10 playable guys and force his hand.

Right now it's only
1) Brunson
2) Bridges
3) DDV
4) OG
5) Hart
6) Randle
7) Robinson

McBride still has a lot to learn and he can easily see the doghouse again. He's not a guaranteed minutes guy, especially with the addition of Bridges. I'm not saying McBride won't be in the rotation. But I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if Thibs left him out.

I thought McBride was getting more minutes last year because all the trades + injuries. Josh Hart was forced to play more time at the F. Did McBride do enough to make Thibs go from an 8-man rotation to a 9-man? I don't know.

Kolek is a rookie. Thibs really isn't in the business of developing rookies anymore.

There's really nobody else. If we assume Knicks will get another center to back up Mitch, that makes it a guaranteed 8.

[Stannis]

You all have some editing to do!

not me

robinson
randle/achiuwa
anunoby/hart
bridges/divincenzo
brunson/mcbride

Me too. I left iHart in my OP.

Now I'm starting to believe the Knicks will be forced to play Randle at the 5. This might actually be better than finding an undesirable backup.

Brunson / McBride -- ??Tyler
Bridges / DDV
OG / Hart
Randle / OG
Mitch / Randle

[Stannis]

Instead of acquiring a middling center and trying to make him fit, we go with our top eight players and who will get the minutes they need.

C- OG 16 Mitch 32
PF- Julius 32 OG 16
SF- Bridges 32 JHart 16
2G- Dante 32 JHart 16
PG- Brunson 32- Deuce 16

Minutes would be flexible depending on matchups and foul trouble, but we can get by with this without trying to force a mediocre center into the rotation. If Bam and Draymond can play center, we should be able to get away with this.
I’m hoping our MVP this year is the medical guy we stole from Dallas.

So the two most injury prone players on the entire roster make up our center rotation, with one of them being a small forward?

Thinking he can play center as a backup, you may as well just go hit OG in the knee with a metal pipe right now.

What about Randle at C ?

I don't agree with Ray Williams about OG at C. But I do agree that we shouldn't acquire and pigeonhole a middling center

[Jalen Bluntson]

It's gonna be:

240 possible minutes...

Brunson 32
Randle 32
Mikal 32
OG 30
Hart 29
DDV 27
Hartenstein 28
Mitch 20
McBride 10

9-man rotation. Deep bench minutes so starters can stay fresher come playoff time and a reduction of injury risk overall. The starters would also play more efficient minutes sine they wouldn't be missing as many shots due to late game fatigue. Every player would be sacrificing some minutes and some production in favor of efficiency and winning long-term. I think we can get full buy in. Only Mitch and Randle may complain or pout but I'm not certain... I think both realize what we're trying to accomplish here.

Would you mind revising now that Harenstein is gone?

I think DDV won't see that many minutes, imho.

i still think Brunson and Randle will see 34 a game at the very least. Same with Bridges. These will be Thibs favs.

With Shart gone the roster is not settled yet. Mitch/Sims/Hukporti is what we have. I think we should wait and see what the final product is.

[Stannis]

It's gonna be:

240 possible minutes...

Brunson 32
Randle 32
Mikal 32
OG 30
Hart 29
DDV 27
Hartenstein 28
Mitch 20
McBride 10

9-man rotation. Deep bench minutes so starters can stay fresher come playoff time and a reduction of injury risk overall. The starters would also play more efficient minutes sine they wouldn't be missing as many shots due to late game fatigue. Every player would be sacrificing some minutes and some production in favor of efficiency and winning long-term. I think we can get full buy in. Only Mitch and Randle may complain or pout but I'm not certain... I think both realize what we're trying to accomplish here.

Would you mind revising now that Harenstein is gone?

I think DDV won't see that many minutes, imho.

i still think Brunson and Randle will see 34 a game at the very least. Same with Bridges. These will be Thibs favs.

With Shart gone the roster is not settled yet. Mitch/Sims/Hukporti is what we have. I think we should wait and see what the final product is.

You forgot Taj Gibson.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Why is everyone running 8 man rotations as of that's ever worked before. We need to go 10 deep!!!

It's the job of the front office to give Thibs 10 playable guys and force his hand.

Right now it's only
1) Brunson
2) Bridges
3) DDV
4) OG
5) Hart
6) Randle
7) Robinson

McBride still has a lot to learn and he can easily see the doghouse again. He's not a guaranteed minutes guy, especially with the addition of Bridges. I'm not saying McBride won't be in the rotation. But I'm just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if Thibs left him out.

I thought McBride was getting more minutes last year because all the trades + injuries. Josh Hart was forced to play more time at the F. Did McBride do enough to make Thibs go from an 8-man rotation to a 9-man? I don't know.

Kolek is a rookie. Thibs really isn't in the business of developing rookies anymore.

There's really nobody else. If we assume Knicks will get another center to back up Mitch, that makes it a guaranteed 8.

The loss of Shart means we need to add a player. Deuce is absolutely in the rotation. We can't run 8 man rotations for 82 games. If so why bother. We won't make it to the ASB again. When the roster is finished we can have the rotation discussion.

[Polk377]

The beauty of this team is we can stagger with different rotations depending on the situation because our players are versatile. 2 of JB, Ju, OG and Mikal will be in at all times along with Swiss Army Hart, Devo and Deuce(if not traded).

[Synciere]

JB(32)/Deuce(16)/Kolek(*)
Mikal(24)/DDV(24)/McCullars(*)
OG(16)/Hart(24)/Mikal(8)/Pacome(*)
Randle(32)/OG(16)
Mitch(32)/WHOTHEHELLKNOWS(16)

*Spot duty.

[Iron Mantis]

Randle at C will be a layup drill for the opposing team. Take that idea and kill it with fire.

[cgmw]

JB(32)/Deuce(16)/Kolek(*)
Mikal(24)/DDV(24)/McCullars(*)
OG(16)/Hart(24)/Mikal(8)/Pacome(*)
Randle(32)/OG(16)
Mitch(32)/WHOTHEHELLKNOWS(16)

*Spot duty.

Even Thibs will play 9 or 10 in the Regular Season. The first 9 seem pretty obvious. It’s the 10th rotation spot that’s open.

1. Brunson
2. Bridges
3. OG
4. Randle
5. Mitch
6. Hart
7. DDV
8. Deuce
9. Backup C
10. Kolek or Precious?

[sol537]

It's gonna be:

240 possible minutes...

Brunson 32
Randle 32
Mikal 32
OG 30
Hart 29
DDV 27
Mitch 24
Richards (or Kessler) 24
McBride (or Lowry) 10

No player over 32 mins. None of the top 4 guys should play more than 75 games. Load manage back to backs. 55 wins instead of 60 wins is OK. Lose the battle to win the war. Being rested and healthy going into the playoffs is paramount.

[Ray Williams]

Instead of acquiring a middling center and trying to make him fit, we go with our top eight players and who will get the minutes they need.

C- OG 16 Mitch 32
PF- Julius 32 OG 16
SF- Bridges 32 JHart 16
2G- Dante 32 JHart 16
PG- Brunson 32- Deuce 16

Minutes would be flexible depending on matchups and foul trouble, but we can get by with this without trying to force a mediocre center into the rotation. If Bam and Draymond can play center, we should be able to get away with this.
I’m hoping our MVP this year is the medical guy we stole from Dallas.

So the two most injury prone players on the entire roster make up our center rotation, with one of them being a small forward?

Thinking he can play center as a backup, you may as well just go hit OG in the knee with a metal pipe right now.

What about Randle at C ?

I don't agree with Ray Williams about OG at C. But I do agree that we shouldn't acquire and pigeonhole a middling center

OG would be Center on defense, Randall on offense.

[Zenzibar]

Knicks refine roster by cutting bait with three top prospects & re-signing PF talent
PUBLISHED BY
Matthew Legros
2024-07-02 10:16
New York Knicks forward Jacob Toppin (00) blocks a shot by Boston Celtics guard DJ Steward (26) during the second half at Madison Square Garden
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The New York Knicks have said goodbye to Charlie Brown Jr., Dwayne Washington Jr., and DaQuan Jeffries amid a wave of recent roster moves.

The Knicks’ most recent trade for Michael Bridges and their re-signing of OG Anunoby has given the team clear direction as to where they want to be headed for the 2024-25 campaign. Both moves have also stacked their depth chart at shooting guard and small forward, necessitating vacancies at other more pressing positions. Thus, the trio of young talents found themselves casualties of offseason roster upgrades this summer.

Charlie Brown Jr. and Duane Washington Jr. saw their Knicks careers end this summer

Jan 13, 2024; Memphis, Tennessee, USA; New York Knicks guard Duane Washington Jr. (4) drives to the basket as Memphis Grizzlies guard Luke Kennard (10) defends during the first half at FedExForum. Mandatory Credit: Petre Thomas-USA TODAY Sports
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Brown Jr. played well for the Westchester Knicks last season, having averaged 17.7 points per game and 6.5 rebounds along with a team-high 2.1 steals in 33.4 minutes of action per night. No matter, his 32.6 percent clip from the three-point line and 42.3 percent connect rate from the field left something to be desired.


Washington Jr. was one of the brightest spots for the Westchester Knicks in 2023-24. His 22.5 points per game fell short only to Brandon Goodwin on the year, and he delivered on 39.3 percent of his 9.7 three-point attempts per contest while also proving himself to be a capable distributor at the guard slot with 4.8 nightly assists. Unfortunately, Washington Jr. did not see a single minute of action for the Knicks’ NBA ball club despite his promising scoring talent, and won’t next season, even with the Knicks needing a competent backup point guard behind All-Star Jalen Brunson.

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The Knicks also declined DaQuan Jeffries’ team option while bringing back Jacob Toppin

New York Knicks forward Jacob Toppin
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As Michael Zeno of Posting and Toasting accentuated, Washington Jr. and Brown Jr. were two of three two-way contracts that the Knicks had to make tough decisions on. The third was Jacob Toppin, who the Knicks have brought back into their system on a qualifying offer. There is a need for power forward depth in New York, as was the case last season. This could be exacerbated by a potential Julius Randle trade waiting to happen. Toppin Jr.’s 19.8 PPG and 8.5 RPG for Westchester in 2023-24 make him a fringe double-double threat who could stay ready for a call-up in the event of injury or necessity next season.


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New York also cut bait with Jeffries. He had been in the Knicks’ pipeline for several seasons. The Oklahoma native made a strong plea to crack the final 12-man roster after earning a $2.46 million team option ahead of the last campaign. He contributed 22 points per game of his own and 5.9 rebounds per night while posting 0.9 takeaways in the G League. Albeit, much like Brown Jr. and Washington Jr., the Knicks have less room for another combo guard/forward on their roster. Thus, New York declined to pick up his team option, slating him for free agency this summer.

[ctorres]

Brunson - 35

Bridges - 35

Anunoby - 35

Randle - 35

Robinson - 26
---------------------------------------------
Hart - 27

DiVincenzo - 21

Sims - 13

McBride - 13

Notes:
- Hart would play 5 minutes at SF, 13 at PF, 9 at C. The 9 minutes that Hart would play at C, both Anunoby and Randle would likely be on the floor.
- McBride's minutes would be exclusively backing up Brunson.
- DiVincenzo's would take up all the back-up SG minutes, and some of the SF minutes.
- Sims minutes would be exclusively backing up Robinson.
- All starters' minutes are pretty much what they have all averaged the last few years and I don't see them getting any less!
- Hart makes $20+ million a season, he has to get 6MOTY-level minutes.
- Last season, in games coming off the bench, Hart and DiVincenzo averaged 27 and 20 mpg respectively. So I will assume that they will get the same minutes if they're placed in the same roles again.

[Synciere]

JB(32)/Deuce(16)/Kolek(*)
Mikal(24)/DDV(24)/McCullars(*)
OG(16)/Hart(24)/Mikal(8)/Pacome(*)
Randle(32)/OG(16)
Mitch(32)/WHOTHEHELLKNOWS(16)

*Spot duty.

Even Thibs will play 9 or 10 in the Regular Season. The first 9 seem pretty obvious. It’s the 10th rotation spot that’s open.

1. Brunson
2. Bridges
3. OG
4. Randle
5. Mitch
6. Hart
7. DDV
8. Deuce
9. Backup C
10. Kolek or Precious?

Yeah I listed 9. I have Backup C as WHOTHEHELLKNOWS but I agree. Thibs will play the veterans he has. I think Kolek is doubtful for playing time because we've seen DDV and Hart take over PG duties a bunch. Plus it's easy to forget Randle can operate as a point forward. We definitely still need a good big. I don't think they have much faith in Sims.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Brunson/DDV/Bridges/Hart lineup has to happen at some point. Pick your poison at the 5. Mitch/Randle/OG whatever. They have to play together at some point.

[Stannis]

Randle at C will be a layup drill for the opposing team. Take that idea and kill it with fire.

What choice do we have? Mitch will be in foul trouble if he's getting 30 MPG. Or risk injury.

There's not much Cs in the market. if it's not Mitch + Precious or Randle. We are just putting a body out there.

[Stannis]

I want the jersey to read "Backup C" for whoever signs with the Knicks.

[Meat]

Randle at C will be a layup drill for the opposing team. Take that idea and kill it with fire.

with randle at the c you can play 5 out, that's an empty lane for JB 100% of the time, a person thats shown he cant be guarded 1 on 1,

[Iron Mantis]

Randle at C will be a layup drill for the opposing team. Take that idea and kill it with fire.

with randle at the c you can play 5 out, that's an empty lane for JB 100% of the time, a person thats shown he cant be guarded 1 on 1,

Thibs cares about rim protection.