Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[lastb1ckman]

What's the protection situation on our draft pick next season? Cause we ain't making the playoffs.

1-14 lottery protected, but i think we lose 2026 to the clippers and 2028 to Charlotte if we keep it. I might be wrong about the years tho

2026 goes to OKC unprotected if not conveyed then the Hornets top 20 protected pick in 2027 automatically transfers to unprotected in 2028.

So that means if we're lottery bound next season, we'll lose our 2026 and 2028 picks?

[al bondiga]

Priority should be to somehow trade herro and snag convington. I’d be happy with that.

herro Is not that bad a player, stop making him so... he is young and looking okay... Maybe if we get lucky he's a 1 or 2 time allstar someday... He Claimed the 6th man of the year

If you are really a heat fan get off his back a bit guys, he might get better.

[Kobewade11]

Just think where this team would be had they drafted Maxey, Quickly or even Bane in 2020 instead of Precious. Maybe not overpay players like Robinson or Herro, let them go to RFA(at least Herro) and just match any 3+ year contract he can get, I highly doubt he(Herro, not sure Robinson was an UFA) would have gotten what Miami gave him.

Mistakes will always be made by all franchises, and I see rebuilds more like FOs buying time because they don't have to make any good decisions for years. Minnesota now has Edwards, but it took them missing the playoffs 14 straight years to even get close to building a good team again. Philly tanked so hard the league stepped in and it hasn't resulted in one ECF. Then there's Detroit, who knows when they'll be good enough to consider being a play-in game.

The shoulda woulda coulda doesnt change the bottom line. We often speak in certainties about moves we “could” have made. If we drafted this guy, if we didnt sign this guy, if we traded for that guy - there’s no guarantee that the end result would be any different than its been the last 5 years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Highsmith is 6’5 220 who should be playing the two spot but has no where near the offensive game to handle the two spot. He undercuts the lineup by him having to start at the 4. Even if he’s a lock down defender he hurts the overall lineup especially here with Bam and Butler. He’s better off going to Philly for both himself and us.

He's a player Spoelstra can put on the court to guard the other team's best player outside of the center position and is getting better at hitting 3s to be a spacer, he just needs to quit trying to do nearly anything else other than catch and shoot and pass on the offensive end.

Who knows, maybe he tried to do more on offense to try to up his value in FA, maybe he calms down on this next contract.

I'm all for bringing him back at the right price. With so many talented offensive wings in the league there is always a need for elite defensive wings even if that's all they bring.

When you have Highsmith playing small ball 4 with Herro and Rozier in the backcourt what's the point?

[AirP.]

There's no such thing as a long rebuild. Those are just bottom feeders who hit a jackpot like Minnesota w Edwards

Right... because of a single player they should be a top team for the next 10-12 years. Just think if they hit the jackpot more often and I'm sure, the bad high picks they made were debated greatly, someone, probably just one person in power just leaned a little the wrong way and picked the wrong guy. Minnesota taking back Rubio and Flynn back-to-back in 2009 at #5 and #6 is up there with Philly acquiring 3 top 10 centers in the draft in consecutive years.

Golden State talked a lot of **** saying they were lightyears ahead of everyone because they got lucky, Draymond didn't play much until Lee had his injury in multiple seasons, Curry had to find a fix for his glass ankles and took less on his extension because of his glass ankles and during this time of prosperity, they had 3 near the top of the draft picks and basically missed on all 3 of them.

Edwards is good, but I guarantee you they won't be a top team for next 10 to 12 years. See, if he fell to Celtics, Lakers or Heat, yes, the odds are much better. That's where the organization part comes in.

What's been holding Minnesota back was its owner, Glen Taylor, they'll have new ownership in the next few years. It's usually ownership that's the issue for a lot of these franchises. One of the great things about Riley is he runs a consistent ship, no switching out coaches/staff which can change the direction of a franchise which usually means almost starting from scratch building a team.

[MettaWorldPanda]

1-14 lottery protected, but i think we lose 2026 to the clippers and 2028 to Charlotte if we keep it. I might be wrong about the years tho

2026 goes to OKC unprotected if not conveyed then the Hornets top 20 protected pick in 2027 automatically transfers to unprotected in 2028.

So that means if we're lottery bound next season, we'll lose our 2026 and 2028 picks?

100% and both will be unprotected.

[iamoti]

I have a weird feeling we struck gold with Ware. If he develop that shot. Watch out

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[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I really want the Heat to start their rebuild, but based on how a lot of Heat reporters and Heat fans seem to be in the 7th circle of hell over just being mediocre (after years of playoff success and multiple rings in living memory) idk if they could handle it lol. Rebuilds often don't work as quickly as expected, more than 2 years of top of the lottery play might take Barry and those Five Reasons guys out lol.

I lived in NC for a long time, our sleepy pat offseasons would be PEAK years for the Hornets/Bobcats. Just TERRIBLE basketball year after year. Maybe getting a competitive season every 5 years or so, only for Gerald Wallace/Al Jefferson/Kemba/Lamelo to get hurt and sink the season. And if they're healthy, they end up getting sent packing by the Heat in the first round. On top of that, there's MJ's terrible/cheap ass ownership, usually terrible GMs, and a constant parade of mid to terrible coaches. THAT is a terrible organization.

I was a Heat fan in the early years and it was the same here. Some fans will get what they’re asking for when change comes to the front office eventually. It is sooner than later now. They may not like what it looks like.

let's be real. Who has Riley actually lured to Miami without Dwyane Wade?

He drafted Wade, best thing Riley ever did as FO, and he had to be convinced to do it. Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember that Riley wanted Chris Kaman? lol



comparing us to charlotte teams lol. We are Miami, we can attract good coaches and execs because South Florida is attractive.

[SoFlaKingReal]

In light of the pick situation, the Heat need to make the playoffs next year. That is probably why they aren't looking to trade Jimmy.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I have a weird feeling we struck gold with Ware. If he develop that shot. Watch out

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The Ware and Bam front court is so damn intriguing. If we can get a true lob threat PG they could mimic something along the lines of Jordan and Blake lob city.

[MettaWorldPanda]

In light of the pick situation, the Heat need to make the playoffs next year. That is probably why they aren't looking to trade Jimmy.

Yeah it's all in making the playoffs this year and paying out that pick. Then they can decide if tanking or silent tanking is worth it next year if Jimmy bounces with the 2026 no longer in limbo.

[AirP.]

Just think where this team would be had they drafted Maxey, Quickly or even Bane in 2020 instead of Precious. Maybe not overpay players like Robinson or Herro, let them go to RFA(at least Herro) and just match any 3+ year contract he can get, I highly doubt he(Herro, not sure Robinson was an UFA) would have gotten what Miami gave him.

Mistakes will always be made by all franchises, and I see rebuilds more like FOs buying time because they don't have to make any good decisions for years. Minnesota now has Edwards, but it took them missing the playoffs 14 straight years to even get close to building a good team again. Philly tanked so hard the league stepped in and it hasn't resulted in one ECF. Then there's Detroit, who knows when they'll be good enough to consider being a play-in game.

The shoulda woulda coulda doesnt change the bottom line. We often speak in certainties about moves we “could” have made. If we drafted this guy, if we didnt sign this guy, if we traded for that guy - there’s no guarantee that the end result would be any different than its been the last 5 years.

My overall point is that the draft is a crap shoot which is why I use 2020 as a data point and leaning on the draft to build a team is just as much of a crap shoot. A franchise changing pick was available to Miami (and other teams) and they missed, they could miss at the top of the draft too. It's why I liked the idea of Miami more before following the franchise the last 5 years, I always thought as an outsider they used their picks to go out and get good players vs hope they draft and develop players. Seems some the people who do podcasts are mentioning that Miami is going more through the draft then previous years.

I still think Miami can go deep in the playoffs with good health, which is why I advocate keeping Butler, but if Miami could get a player who can be the best player of a playoff series 28 or younger, I'd say move whatever you can minus Bam to do it. I don't think Markannan is that level of player, but I'd give up a ton to pair him up with Butler and Bam, then have 3-5 more years of Markannan and Bam to build around.

[SoFlaKingReal]

I really want the Heat to start their rebuild, but based on how a lot of Heat reporters and Heat fans seem to be in the 7th circle of hell over just being mediocre (after years of playoff success and multiple rings in living memory) idk if they could handle it lol. Rebuilds often don't work as quickly as expected, more than 2 years of top of the lottery play might take Barry and those Five Reasons guys out lol.

I lived in NC for a long time, our sleepy pat offseasons would be PEAK years for the Hornets/Bobcats. Just TERRIBLE basketball year after year. Maybe getting a competitive season every 5 years or so, only for Gerald Wallace/Al Jefferson/Kemba/Lamelo to get hurt and sink the season. And if they're healthy, they end up getting sent packing by the Heat in the first round. On top of that, there's MJ's terrible/cheap ass ownership, usually terrible GMs, and a constant parade of mid to terrible coaches. THAT is a terrible organization.

I was a Heat fan in the early years and it was the same here. Some fans will get what they’re asking for when change comes to the front office eventually. It is sooner than later now. They may not like what it looks like.

let's be real. Who has Riley actually lured to Miami without Dwyane Wade?


- Zo back in 1995, through a trade. This was Riley.

- Drafted Wade. <------- best thing Riley ever did as FO, and he had to be convinced to do it. Riley wanted Chris Kaman lol



But after that...

- Shaq? traded to Miami because he wanted to play with Wade, saw him as the next great SG
- Lebron? wade.
- Bosh? wade.
- Jimmy Butler? wade again.


So....

comparing us to charlotte teams lol. We are Miami, we can attract good talent because South Florida is attractive.

The oversimplification of things to drive your narrative is hilarious.

It doesn't matter that Shaq wanted to play with D-Wade....him being traded to Miami was because Heat was able to make a great offer since Riley had previously signed Lamar Odom and drafted Caron Butler.

LeBron and Bosh joined Wade here because the Heat were the only team with the cap space to sign all three. Those players were shopping themselves around to other teams including Chicago, but the Big 3 could only be formed in Miami. Riley cleared the cap space through years of planning and made that a possibility.

Yes, Wade was in Butler's ear about Miami. However, he pitched him on the culture and environment instilled by Riley and Spo.

And the whole Chris Kaman bit....why people hold on to that as some sort of negative against Riley is beyond me. With every pick, there are different opinions coming from the scouts, coaches, other front office peoples, etc. Its the top guy's job to factor all that in and settle on the right pick. And that is what happened when D-Wade was drafted.



You see, I can easily push another narrative

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Usually when we’re the favorites nothing comes from it, DEMAR IS NOT HAPPENING!!!

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I was a Heat fan in the early years and it was the same here. Some fans will get what they’re asking for when change comes to the front office eventually. It is sooner than later now. They may not like what it looks like.

let's be real. Who has Riley actually lured to Miami without Dwyane Wade?


- Zo back in 1995, through a trade. This was Riley.

- Drafted Wade. <------- best thing Riley ever did as FO, and he had to be convinced to do it. Riley wanted Chris Kaman lol



But after that...

- Shaq? traded to Miami because he wanted to play with Wade, saw him as the next great SG
- Lebron? wade.
- Bosh? wade.
- Jimmy Butler? wade again.


So....

comparing us to charlotte teams lol. We are Miami, we can attract good talent because South Florida is attractive.

The oversimplification of things to drive your narrative is hilarious. It doesn't matter that Shaq wanted to play with D-Wade....him being traded to Miami was because Heat was able to make a great offer because Riley previously signed Lamar Odom and drafted Caron Butler.

LeBron and Bosh joined Wade here because the Heat were the only team with the cap space to sign all three. Those players were shopping themselves around to other teams including Chicago, but the Big 3 could only be formed in Miami. Riley cleared the cap space through years of planning and made that a possibility.

Yes, Wade was in Butler's ear about Miami. However, he pitched him on the culture and environment instilled by Riley and Spo.



You see, I can easily push another narrative

Shaq specifically told LA to send him to Miami. Jerry Buss got on the phone with Riley, and did it. Dr Buss had class. Opposite of Portland's Cronin.


And Riley could only do those things because he had Wade.


nah, be honest. Without Wade, we don't get Shaq, Lebron, Bosh, or Jimmy.

[SoFlaKingReal]

let's be real. Who has Riley actually lured to Miami without Dwyane Wade?


- Zo back in 1995, through a trade. This was Riley.

- Drafted Wade. <------- best thing Riley ever did as FO, and he had to be convinced to do it. Riley wanted Chris Kaman lol



But after that...

- Shaq? traded to Miami because he wanted to play with Wade, saw him as the next great SG
- Lebron? wade.
- Bosh? wade.
- Jimmy Butler? wade again.


So....

comparing us to charlotte teams lol. We are Miami, we can attract good talent because South Florida is attractive.

The oversimplification of things to drive your narrative is hilarious. It doesn't matter that Shaq wanted to play with D-Wade....him being traded to Miami was because Heat was able to make a great offer because Riley previously signed Lamar Odom and drafted Caron Butler.


LeBron and Bosh joined Wade here because the Heat were the only team with the cap space to sign all three. Those players were shopping themselves around to other teams including Chicago, but the Big 3 could only be formed in Miami. Riley cleared the cap space through years of planning and made that a possibility.

Yes, Wade was in Butler's ear about Miami. However, he pitched him on the culture and environment instilled by Riley and Spo.



You see, I can easily push another narrative

Shaq specifically told LA to send him to Miami. Jerry Buss got on the phone with Riley, and did it. Dr Buss had class. Opposite of Portland's Cronin.


And Riley could only do those things because he had Wade.


nah, be honest. Without Wade, we don't get Shaq, Lebron, Bosh, or Jimmy.

Thank God Riley weighed all the factors and drafted Wade then. Say whatever you want about Riley's recent missteps, but trying to erase his importance to the Heat dating that far back is honestly pathetic.

Don't forget Riley also handpicked Spo as his successor and stood by him when a lot of people criticized that decision. Spo is now considered one of the greatest HCs in NBA history.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

GIVE RANDY EMBRY THE CREDIT HE DESERVES!!!!

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

The oversimplification of things to drive your narrative is hilarious. It doesn't matter that Shaq wanted to play with D-Wade....him being traded to Miami was because Heat was able to make a great offer because Riley previously signed Lamar Odom and drafted Caron Butler.


LeBron and Bosh joined Wade here because the Heat were the only team with the cap space to sign all three. Those players were shopping themselves around to other teams including Chicago, but the Big 3 could only be formed in Miami. Riley cleared the cap space through years of planning and made that a possibility.

Yes, Wade was in Butler's ear about Miami. However, he pitched him on the culture and environment instilled by Riley and Spo.



You see, I can easily push another narrative

Shaq specifically told LA to send him to Miami. Jerry Buss got on the phone with Riley, and did it. Dr Buss had class. Opposite of Portland's Cronin.


And Riley could only do those things because he had Wade.


nah, be honest. Without Wade, we don't get Shaq, Lebron, Bosh, or Jimmy.

Thank God Riley took all the information and drafted Wade then. Say whatever you want about Riley's recent missteps, but trying to erase his importance to the Heat dating that far back is honestly pathetic.

I give him full credit for drafting Wade.

But acting like Miami fans are in for a huge awakening when Riley is gone, because we had it so good? No.

All of our real success came from Dwyane Wade in a Heat jersey, recruiting players for us, and being an all time HOF'er on the court.


Outside of that, Riley builds treadmill teams. Fact.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Read on Twitter

Clearly states can’t do a S&T while in first apron. We are currently 7 million in it. If we trade Duncan into someone’s space we can offer DeRozan the MLE he apparently doesn’t want. Maybe this is the 24 hour hold up to see if he budges.

[lastb1ckman]

Just think where this team would be had they drafted Maxey, Quickly or even Bane in 2020 instead of Precious. Maybe not overpay players like Robinson or Herro, let them go to RFA(at least Herro) and just match any 3+ year contract he can get, I highly doubt he(Herro, not sure Robinson was an UFA) would have gotten what Miami gave him.

Mistakes will always be made by all franchises, and I see rebuilds more like FOs buying time because they don't have to make any good decisions for years. Minnesota now has Edwards, but it took them missing the playoffs 14 straight years to even get close to building a good team again. Philly tanked so hard the league stepped in and it hasn't resulted in one ECF. Then there's Detroit, who knows when they'll be good enough to consider being a play-in game.

We're too good of a franchise to go through long stretches of a rebuild like that. People just want a refresh. That's probably the better word.

Too good? All Miami's great seasons were because of Wade and his influence, either getting LeBron and Bosh to join him in Miami or sold Butler on Miami being the type of environment he was looking for, but that environment isn't for everyone. It's said Butler said he was sold 5 minutes into the meeting with Miami, kinda sounds like he just verified what he wanted to hear that Wade told him about. I'll give Riley a lot of credit for running the organization at a professional level and being able to jump on opportunities that Wade created for him.

I was a Bulls fan and had to come to the realization that wow, they've been NOTHING without Jordan. Who knows maybe they would have been if they didn't have the #1 pick D.Rose have a career changing injury or even #2 pick Jay Williams (another PG) have... a career ending injury. Chicago almost traded up to get D.Wade but #7 and Donyell Marshal was just too much to jump 3 spots for Toronto's pick to get local kid D.Wade.

Sadly, I've come to the conclusion that it's almost all about your best player in the NBA which I'm 99.999% all in on giving up everything for a top tier younger player but outside that, I'll stick with any high-level player until the wheels fall off because you never know when you'll find another one.

I don't understand the when people give all of the Heat's success to Dwade or Spo. Are they a part of the team or not? Why do we speak of them as some unique edge the Heat have over any team in history? Good teams all have their franchise goats that they stumbled upon in the lottery. These greats draw other players to their team. These teams also have great coaches, have to build and maintain supporting casts, build a good team culture. It's all apart of it. What's the showtime lakers without Kareem, Magic, or Pat Riley? What's the 2000s spurs without Tim Duncan and Pop? What's the dynasty warriors without Steph and Steve Kerr?