Around the NBA - Offseason Edition

[GONYK]

My thing is, if you're gonna hardcap after a certain point, the 2nd apron needs to be much higher with the way player salaries are increasing.

I mean Derrick White of all people just got 30m per. OG got what, 45? Hartenstein got 31. What sense does it make to have the 2nd apron so low compared to what 2nd tier, non all star level guys are commanding on the open market?

The point is to eventually start paying them less

This was all in response to making sure the Durant Warriors never happen again.

At the very least, it will encourage a more robust trade market, because teams will have to start operating like an NFL lite and move talent in order to stay under the hard cap.

[mpharris36]

My thing is, if you're gonna hardcap after a certain point, the 2nd apron needs to be much higher with the way player salaries are increasing.

I mean Derrick White of all people just got 30m per. OG got what, 45? Hartenstein got 31. What sense does it make to have the 2nd apron so low compared to what 2nd tier, non all star level guys are commanding on the open market?

The point is to eventually start paying them less

This was all in response to making sure the Durant Warriors never happen again.

At the very least, it will encourage a more robust trade market, because teams will have to start operating like an NFL lite and move talent in order to stay under the hard cap.

it certainly has made for a more balanced NBA...which isn't the worst thing for the product...have a bunch of teams competing for a title is better than 1 or 2 superteams and you knew who was going to the finals before the year started.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I think these supermax deals will become more tempered at some point. Look at Houston and their rookies. The role player deals being given out now are going to level off too. The league is so preoccupied with everyone getting paid more than winning. It's just a huge cash grab orgy and teams are going to learn sooner or later. Players are making it harder on themselves too. Taking every penny only hurts the team. Hopefully some sanity enters the equation at some point.

[BKlutch]

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There's some backtracking now because LeBron may have taken slightly under the max to prevent this.

I was kind of shocked LeBron signed for as much as he did considering he still wants to compete, so that makes sense if he is taking less.

I think he was only taking significantly less if they could get Klay, I don't think anyone else moved the needle enough or would be cheap enough to justify taking less

Cause the difference would be negligible at this point.

There's only 2 ways to explain this:
1. Bronny is much better than we think, because he was purposely hiding his skills until now. So when he starts playing on his 3 year guaranteed contract, he's going to play even better than his dad, and LAL will be a lock for the WCF.

-or-

2. Lebron was selfish, got his son an undeserved 3 year guaranteed rookie deal, but Bronny won't contribute to the wins. With so much $$ going to Lebron and son Leborn, the team can't sign players it needs, and essentially, he fcuked them with his and Bronny's contracts

Which one is it? I have NO idea

[DOT]

With so much $$ going to Lebron and son Leborn, the team can't sign players it needs, and essentially, he fcuked them with his and Bronny's contracts

Bronny is making $1.1 million next year

I don't think that's what "fcuked" the Lakers cap. Even LeBron, they were already over the cap without his contract on the books

The 3rd and actual way to explain it is, the Lakers were "fcuked" no matter what, so they're paddling as hard as they can to stay afloat and maintain relevance for at least a couple more years.

[BKlutch]

With so much $$ going to Lebron and son Leborn, the team can't sign players it needs, and essentially, he fcuked them with his and Bronny's contracts

Bronny is making $1.1 million next year

I don't think that's what "fcuked" the Lakers cap. Even LeBron, they were already over the cap without his contract on the books

The 3rd and actual way to explain it is, the Lakers were "fcuked" no matter what, so they're paddling as hard as they can to stay afloat and maintain relevance for at least a couple more years.

Everybody thinks Lebron can continue to play at the same level this year and next. Maybe he can, but it reminds me of one time I had an old car. It was great, despite having 200K miles, until one day, without any warning, it just died. Cost of repairs was way more than the value of the car. I'd never wish anything physically bad for Lebron, but LA is gambling on his playing to the end of his contract. I'm so glad that's not us riding an older player in his final years.

[DOT]

With so much $$ going to Lebron and son Leborn, the team can't sign players it needs, and essentially, he fcuked them with his and Bronny's contracts

Bronny is making $1.1 million next year

I don't think that's what "fcuked" the Lakers cap. Even LeBron, they were already over the cap without his contract on the books

The 3rd and actual way to explain it is, the Lakers were "fcuked" no matter what, so they're paddling as hard as they can to stay afloat and maintain relevance for at least a couple more years.

Everybody thinks Lebron can continue to play at the same level this year and next. Maybe he can, but it reminds me of one time I had an old car. It was great, despite having 200K miles, until one day, without any warning, it just died. Cost of repairs was way more than the value of the car. I'd never wish anything physically bad for Lebron, but LA is gambling on his playing to the end of his contract. I'm so glad that's not us riding an older player in his final years.

Their only options are to pay LeBron or let him walk and still be over the cap with a bad team that doesn't own its own 1st round pick next year

Neither option is good, but every team would do what they did.

[WargamesX]

I was kind of shocked LeBron signed for as much as he did considering he still wants to compete, so that makes sense if he is taking less.

I think he was only taking significantly less if they could get Klay, I don't think anyone else moved the needle enough or would be cheap enough to justify taking less

Cause the difference would be negligible at this point.

There's only 2 ways to explain this:
1. Bronny is much better than we think, because he was purposely hiding his skills until now. So when he starts playing on his 3 year guaranteed contract, he's going to play even better than his dad, and LAL will be a lock for the WCF.

-or-

2. Lebron was selfish, got his son an undeserved 3 year guaranteed rookie deal, but Bronny won't contribute to the wins. With so much $$ going to Lebron and son Leborn, the team can't sign players it needs, and essentially, he fcuked them with his and Bronny's contracts

Which one is it? I have NO idea

It’s a little bit of 2, and the rest is also 2.

[Richard4444]

My thing is, if you're gonna hardcap after a certain point, the 2nd apron needs to be much higher with the way player salaries are increasing.

I mean Derrick White of all people just got 30m per. OG got what, 45? Hartenstein got 31. What sense does it make to have the 2nd apron so low compared to what 2nd tier, non all star level guys are commanding on the open market?

Pretty sure that these big contracts for role players will be bad very soon (particularly Hartenstein's). The adjustment, in theory, should be to pay these non-stars a lot less since star players will generally command the max unless these players stop caring about the max and start taking less money than they are worth in order to build a better team.

Or (and), the cap increases so much in the future that this year is somewhat of a strange year due to a new cba that takes into account the new tv deal that hasn't kicked in yet.

Salary cap should skyrocket (10% increase each year).

IHart" guaranteed contract appears to be 2 years only. OKC has cheap players on the roster like JDub and Chet to counterbalance.

[Fat Kat]

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[Richard4444]

With so much $$ going to Lebron and son Leborn, the team can't sign players it needs, and essentially, he fcuked them with his and Bronny's contracts

Bronny is making $1.1 million next year

I don't think that's what "fcuked" the Lakers cap. Even LeBron, they were already over the cap without his contract on the books

The 3rd and actual way to explain it is, the Lakers were "fcuked" no matter what, so they're paddling as hard as they can to stay afloat and maintain relevance for at least a couple more years.

The Lakers gave POs to Hayes, Redish, and Wood. And all picked it.

Besides, they gave a 3 year contract to Gabe and now gave a 4 year contract to Max.

And they are barely rotation players...

[BKlutch]

With so much $$ going to Lebron and son Leborn, the team can't sign players it needs, and essentially, he fcuked them with his and Bronny's contracts

Bronny is making $1.1 million next year

I don't think that's what "fcuked" the Lakers cap. Even LeBron, they were already over the cap without his contract on the books

The 3rd and actual way to explain it is, the Lakers were "fcuked" no matter what, so they're paddling as hard as they can to stay afloat and maintain relevance for at least a couple more years.

The Lakers gave POs to Hayes, Redish, and Wood. And all picked it.

Besides, they gave a 3 year contract to Gabe and now gave a 4 year contract to Max.

And they are barely rotation players...

Apparently they seriously studied the Knicks front office of the past 2 decades and didn't realize what they were reading.

[MrDollarBills]

Bronny getting 3 years guaranteed as the 55th pick is hilarious

[BKlutch]

Bronny getting 3 years guaranteed as the 55th pick is hilarious

They are counting on Daddy to play them into the playoffs, so that's just a necessary cost of business to them. Actually, I feel sorry for Bronny when he wakes up and realizes his rich daddy bought him a spot on the Lakers roster. Most fathers would be considered generous to buy their sons a new car or a trip to Disney Land.

I hope Bronny can surprise us all, but the chances of that seem to be approximately 1.21273%.

[kNicksGmen]

My thing is, if you're gonna hardcap after a certain point, the 2nd apron needs to be much higher with the way player salaries are increasing.

I mean Derrick White of all people just got 30m per. OG got what, 45? Hartenstein got 31. What sense does it make to have the 2nd apron so low compared to what 2nd tier, non all star level guys are commanding on the open market?

Pretty sure that these big contracts for role players will be bad very soon (particularly Hartenstein's). The adjustment, in theory, should be to pay these non-stars a lot less since star players will generally command the max unless these players stop caring about the max and start taking less money than they are worth in order to build a better team.

Or (and), the cap increases so much in the future that this year is somewhat of a strange year due to a new cba that takes into account the new tv deal that hasn't kicked in yet.

Salary cap should skyrocket (10% increase each year).

IHart" guaranteed contract appears to be 2 years only. OKC has cheap players on the roster like JDub and Chet to counterbalance.

not sure if you're the same guy i quoted before but 10% isn't sky rocketing lol. 10% compounded over a few years is a good amount though - but new deals will account for it and keep getting bigger. pre existing deals should age pretty well though if that was your point (at least compared to if the cap wasn't rising as much)

and I believe the aprons are a fixed amount above the tax line - so they also go up 10% but not more than that (as compared to if the aprons were x % above the tax line)

[Ghetto Gospel]

Bronny getting 3 years guaranteed as the 55th pick is hilarious

They are counting on Daddy to play them into the playoffs, so that's just a necessary cost of business to them. Actually, I feel sorry for Bronny when he wakes up and realizes his rich daddy bought him a spot on the Lakers roster. Most fathers would be considered generous to buy their sons a new car or a trip to Disney Land.

I hope Bronny can surprise us all, but the chances of that seem to be approximately 1.21273%.

he's definitely old enough to know

[BKlutch]

Bronny getting 3 years guaranteed as the 55th pick is hilarious

They are counting on Daddy to play them into the playoffs, so that's just a necessary cost of business to them. Actually, I feel sorry for Bronny when he wakes up and realizes his rich daddy bought him a spot on the Lakers roster. Most fathers would be considered generous to buy their sons a new car or a trip to Disney Land.

I hope Bronny can surprise us all, but the chances of that seem to be approximately 1.21273%.

he's definitely old enough to know

He's still floating down that river - de nile.

[MrDollarBills]

They are counting on Daddy to play them into the playoffs, so that's just a necessary cost of business to them. Actually, I feel sorry for Bronny when he wakes up and realizes his rich daddy bought him a spot on the Lakers roster. Most fathers would be considered generous to buy their sons a new car or a trip to Disney Land.

I hope Bronny can surprise us all, but the chances of that seem to be approximately 1.21273%.

he's definitely old enough to know

He's still floating down that river - de nile.

I'm pretty sure he knows and doesn't care, like every other rich nepotism baby that gets everything they want.

[MrDollarBills]

The Lakers just hired Scott Brooks and Nate McMillan as JJ's assistants.

Hmm. If I recall Scotty Brooks' offensive philosophy was pretty dogsh*t

[Ghetto Gospel]

he's definitely old enough to know

He's still floating down that river - de nile.

I'm pretty sure he knows and doesn't care, like every other rich nepotism baby that gets everything they want.

yeah like i'm pretty sure sam rose knows, but he's getting paid who cares lol